Squeeze on Orange

[Rod Speed]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.

>>>>> Why?

>>>> Presumably you actually are that stupid.

>>>> No wonder they wont let you do anything
>>>> more challenging than clean the dunnys.

>>>>> If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
>>>>> to buy (theoretically), then who cares?

>>>> Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.

>>> There are six major mobile phone companies in Australia

>> Not CDMA there aint.

> No one cares whether the six major
> nets are GSM, CDMA, 3G, or other

Anyone with a clue does, you stupid
pig ignorant fuckwit dunny cleaning child.

>> Not mobile telcos that provide a real
>> alternative to a landline service there aint.

> It aint a real alternative in the first instance

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

No wonder they wont let you do anything
more challenging than clean the dunnys.

[Kip]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:46:40 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:39sdk4F67441kU1@individual.net...
>>
>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:HQ0_d.751$C7.10@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> >> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.
>>
>> > Why?
>>
>> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>>
>> No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the
>dunnys.
>>
>> > If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
>> > to buy (theoretically), then who cares?
>>
>> Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.
>
>There are six major mobile phone companies in Australia
>Making that five ILO six will make no difference
>
>Orange CDMA is a pissweak little operation
>
<snip>

Amen. Absolute rubbish.

[thegoons]

Pity you haven;t a clue

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in
> message news:39rn3cF61p7q8U1@individual.net...
>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>>> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.
>
>> ACCC might have no choice if Whampoa go belly-up
>
> They didnt give a flying red fuck when the payTV operation did.
>
>
>>> Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sujf3111sp9gh0kmgf6f09368di3p70138@4ax.com...
>>>> Squeeze on Orange
>>>> <http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03/15/1110649198750.html>
>>>>
>>>> With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
>>>> cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
>>>> logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
>>>> mobile business, Orange.
>>>>
>>>> Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
>>>> week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
>>>> calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
>>>>
>>>> For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
>>>> may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
>>>> about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
>>>> to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
>>>> depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
>>>>
>>>> Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
>>>> concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
>>>>
>>>> The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
>>>> CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
>>>> key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
>>>> predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
>>>>
>>>> "Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
>>>> EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
>>>> 3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
>>>> analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
>>>>
>>>> While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
>>>> Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
>>>>
>>>> CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
>>>> high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
>>>> unchanged at $5.37.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Michael]

> >>>>>> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone
pole.
>
> >>>>> Why?
>
> >>>> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>
> >>>> No wonder they wont let you do anything
> >>>> more challenging than clean the dunnys.
>
> >>>>> If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
> >>>>> to buy (theoretically), then who cares?
>
> >>>> Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.
>
> >>> There are six major mobile phone companies in Australia
>
> >> Not CDMA there aint.
>
> > No one cares whether the six major
> > nets are GSM, CDMA, 3G, or other
>
> Anyone with a clue does, you stupid
> pig ignorant fuckwit dunny cleaning child.
>
> >> Not mobile telcos that provide a real
> >> alternative to a landline service there aint.
>
> > It aint a real alternative in the first instance
>
> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>
> No wonder they wont let you do anything
> more challenging than clean the dunnys.


Hmmm Rod, havent heard a peep out of the ACCC about the possible cosy
duopoly of Telstra and Hutch vs Optus and Voda for 3G

The silence from your end is deafening
>
>

[Michael]

"Kip" <validemailaddress100%SPAMproof@workandhome.org> wrote in message
news:copj31lrnvaidf872asq4e7gqqk0blo9fi@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:46:40 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:39sdk4F67441kU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:HQ0_d.751$C7.10@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>
> >> >> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone
pole.
> >>
> >> > Why?
> >>
> >> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
> >>
> >> No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the
> >dunnys.
> >>
> >> > If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
> >> > to buy (theoretically), then who cares?
> >>
> >> Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.
> >
> >There are six major mobile phone companies in Australia
> >Making that five ILO six will make no difference
> >
> >Orange CDMA is a pissweak little operation
> >
> <snip>
>
> Amen. Absolute rubbish.


Quality, service, products, and SIO. Pissweak
>

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tyq_d.2061$C7.684@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >>>>>> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone
> pole.
>>
>> >>>>> Why?
>>
>> >>>> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>>
>> >>>> No wonder they wont let you do anything
>> >>>> more challenging than clean the dunnys.
>>
>> >>>>> If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
>> >>>>> to buy (theoretically), then who cares?
>>
>> >>>> Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.
>>
>> >>> There are six major mobile phone companies in Australia
>>
>> >> Not CDMA there aint.
>>
>> > No one cares whether the six major
>> > nets are GSM, CDMA, 3G, or other
>>
>> Anyone with a clue does, you stupid
>> pig ignorant fuckwit dunny cleaning child.
>>
>> >> Not mobile telcos that provide a real
>> >> alternative to a landline service there aint.
>>
>> > It aint a real alternative in the first instance
>>
>> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>>
>> No wonder they wont let you do anything
>> more challenging than clean the dunnys.

> Hmmm Rod, havent heard a peep out of the ACCC about the possible
> cosy duopoly of Telstra and Hutch vs Optus and Voda for 3G

Different situation entirely. The ACCC gets
no say on that, they do on a takeover.

And it aint a duopoly anyway, you silly little pig ignorant dunny cleaner.

[Rod Speed]

thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in
message news:39ueqiF60ia74U1@individual.net...

> Pity you haven;t a clue

Pity you've never ever been able to bullshit your way out of a wet
paper bag even if your pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it.


> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:39sdmeF62e8fcU1@individual.net...
>>
>> thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in
>> message news:39rn3cF61p7q8U1@individual.net...
>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>>> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.
>>
>>> ACCC might have no choice if Whampoa go belly-up
>>
>> They didnt give a flying red fuck when the payTV operation did.
>>
>>
>>>> Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:sujf3111sp9gh0kmgf6f09368di3p70138@4ax.com...
>>>>> Squeeze on Orange
>>>>> <http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03/15/1110649198750.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
>>>>> cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
>>>>> logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
>>>>> mobile business, Orange.
>>>>>
>>>>> Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
>>>>> week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
>>>>> calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
>>>>> may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
>>>>> about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
>>>>> to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
>>>>> depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
>>>>>
>>>>> Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
>>>>> concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
>>>>> CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
>>>>> key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
>>>>> predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
>>>>> EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
>>>>> 3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
>>>>> analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
>>>>>
>>>>> While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
>>>>> Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
>>>>>
>>>>> CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
>>>>> high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
>>>>> unchanged at $5.37.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>