Squeeze on Orange

[Charlie Wong]

Squeeze on Orange
<http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03/15/1110649198750.html>

With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
mobile business, Orange.

Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.

For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.

Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.

The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.

"Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.

While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.

CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
unchanged at $5.37.

[Kip]

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:19:35 +1100, Charlie Wong
<willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Squeeze on Orange
><http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03/15/1110649198750.html>
>
>With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
>cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
>logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
>mobile business, Orange.
>
>Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
>week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
>calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
>
>For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
>may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
>about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
>to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
>depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
>
>Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
>concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
>
>The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
>CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
>key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
>predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
>
>"Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
>EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
>3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
>analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
>
>While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
>Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
>
>CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
>high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
>unchanged at $5.37.



I'm an Orange customer and have been extremely disappointed by Orange.
perhaps this is a step in the right direction?

[Charlie Wong]

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:03:28 +1100, Kip
<validemailaddress100%SPAMproof@workandhome.org> wrote:

>I'm an Orange customer and have been extremely disappointed by Orange.
>perhaps this is a step in the right direction?

If being screwed over by Telstra prices is a step in the right
direction, sure.

[John]

oohh shit, i run my business using orange local numbers, i can see all
the old plans being scrapped :-(

In article <01vf31d5joqb9jg29kd4rfejhrhkgs5ihq@4ax.com>,
Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:03:28 +1100, Kip
> <validemailaddress100%SPAMproof@workandhome.org> wrote:
>
> >I'm an Orange customer and have been extremely disappointed by Orange.
> >perhaps this is a step in the right direction?
>
> If being screwed over by Telstra prices is a step in the right
> direction, sure.

[Charlie Wong]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:21:27 +1100, John <jmoj@removethisyahoo.com>
wrote:

>oohh shit, i run my business using orange local numbers, i can see all
>the old plans being scrapped :-(

Yep. I'm sure the option to use Local Number Portability would be made
available to customers wishing to pay Telstra $30+ per month for a
pair of copper wires.

[Rod Speed]

If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.

Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sujf3111sp9gh0kmgf6f09368di3p70138@4ax.com...
> Squeeze on Orange
> <http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03/15/1110649198750.html>
>
> With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
> cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
> logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
> mobile business, Orange.
>
> Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
> week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
> calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
>
> For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
> may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
> about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
> to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
> depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
>
> Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
> concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
>
> The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
> CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
> key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
> predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
>
> "Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
> EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
> 3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
> analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
>
> While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
> Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
>
> CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
> high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
> unchanged at $5.37.

[Michael]

"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vihg315tfuhc0127454gatmoe2rmrpfq36@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:21:27 +1100, John <jmoj@removethisyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >oohh shit, i run my business using orange local numbers, i can see all
> >the old plans being scrapped :-(
>
> Yep. I'm sure the option to use Local Number Portability would be made
> available to customers wishing to pay Telstra $30+ per month for a
> pair of copper wires.

You get a bit more than a pair of copper wires

[Michael]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:39raqpF5t5lp5U1@individual.net...
> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.

Why?
If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants to buy (theoretically), then who
cares?
>
> Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sujf3111sp9gh0kmgf6f09368di3p70138@4ax.com...
> > Squeeze on Orange
> >
<http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03
/15/1110649198750.html>
> >
> > With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
> > cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
> > logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
> > mobile business, Orange.
> >
> > Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
> > week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
> > calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
> >
> > For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
> > may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
> > about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
> > to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
> > depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
> >
> > Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
> > concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
> >
> > The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
> > CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
> > key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
> > predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
> >
> > "Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
> > EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
> > 3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
> > analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
> >
> > While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
> > Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
> >
> > CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
> > high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
> > unchanged at $5.37.
>
>

[thegoons]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sQ0_d.750$C7.111@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:vihg315tfuhc0127454gatmoe2rmrpfq36@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:21:27 +1100, John <jmoj@removethisyahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >oohh shit, i run my business using orange local numbers, i can see all
>> >the old plans being scrapped :-(
>>
>> Yep. I'm sure the option to use Local Number Portability would be made
>> available to customers wishing to pay Telstra $30+ per month for a
>> pair of copper wires.
>
> You get a bit more than a pair of copper wires

Jelly filled, nylon jacket, with pits and sometimes conduit, and the odd
Krone block or tag strip

[thegoons]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:39raqpF5t5lp5U1@individual.net...
> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.

ACCC might have no choice if Whampoa go belly-up

>
> Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sujf3111sp9gh0kmgf6f09368di3p70138@4ax.com...
>> Squeeze on Orange
>> <http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03/15/1110649198750.html>
>>
>> With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
>> cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
>> logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
>> mobile business, Orange.
>>
>> Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
>> week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
>> calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
>>
>> For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
>> may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
>> about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
>> to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
>> depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
>>
>> Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
>> concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
>>
>> The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
>> CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
>> key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
>> predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
>>
>> "Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
>> EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
>> 3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
>> analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
>>
>> While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
>> Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
>>
>> CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
>> high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
>> unchanged at $5.37.
>
>

[thegoons]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HQ0_d.751$C7.10@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:39raqpF5t5lp5U1@individual.net...
>> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.
>
> Why?
> If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants to buy (theoretically), then who
> cares?

This boy has a lot to learn.

Just go and ask Air NZ.


>>
>> Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sujf3111sp9gh0kmgf6f09368di3p70138@4ax.com...
>> > Squeeze on Orange
>> >
> <http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03
> /15/1110649198750.html>
>> >
>> > With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
>> > cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
>> > logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
>> > mobile business, Orange.
>> >
>> > Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
>> > week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
>> > calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
>> >
>> > For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
>> > may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
>> > about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
>> > to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
>> > depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
>> >
>> > Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
>> > concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
>> >
>> > The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
>> > CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
>> > key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
>> > predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
>> >
>> > "Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
>> > EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
>> > 3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
>> > analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
>> >
>> > While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
>> > Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
>> >
>> > CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
>> > high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
>> > unchanged at $5.37.
>>
>>
>
>

[Rod Speed]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HQ0_d.751$C7.10@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.

> Why?

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the dunnys.

> If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
> to buy (theoretically), then who cares?

Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.


>> Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sujf3111sp9gh0kmgf6f09368di3p70138@4ax.com...
>> > Squeeze on Orange
>> >
> <http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03
> /15/1110649198750.html>
>> >
>> > With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
>> > cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
>> > logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
>> > mobile business, Orange.
>> >
>> > Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
>> > week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
>> > calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
>> >
>> > For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
>> > may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
>> > about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
>> > to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
>> > depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
>> >
>> > Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
>> > concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
>> >
>> > The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
>> > CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
>> > key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
>> > predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
>> >
>> > "Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
>> > EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
>> > 3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
>> > analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
>> >
>> > While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
>> > Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
>> >
>> > CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
>> > high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
>> > unchanged at $5.37.
>>
>>
>
>

[Rod Speed]

thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in
message news:39rn3cF61p7q8U1@individual.net...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.

> ACCC might have no choice if Whampoa go belly-up

They didnt give a flying red fuck when the payTV operation did.


>> Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:sujf3111sp9gh0kmgf6f09368di3p70138@4ax.com...
>>> Squeeze on Orange
>>> <http://www.smh.com.au/news/Xchange/News-Corp-down-here-but-up-there/2005/03/15/1110649198750.html>
>>>
>>> With Telstra and Hutchison Telecom's relationship looking increasingly
>>> cosy, speculation is resurfacing that the two may take the next
>>> logical step - which would see Hutchison offload to Telstra its CDMA
>>> mobile business, Orange.
>>>
>>> Credit Suisse First Boston reopened its coverage on Hutchison last
>>> week with a research note that ran the ruler over Orange and
>>> calculated that it could be worth up to $389 million this year.
>>>
>>> For Hutchison, a deal would allow it to cash out of a business that
>>> may be reaching its prime, with subscriber numbers stabilising at
>>> about 530,000 in 2006, according to CSFB. The broker expects revenues
>>> to reach $484.5 million that year, with earnings before interest, tax,
>>> depreciation and amortisation of $71.5 million.
>>>
>>> Orange is increasingly of secondary importance to Hutchison, which is
>>> concentrating on its next generation mobile business, 3.
>>>
>>> The benefits for Telstra would be compelling, offering a boost to its
>>> CDMA network coverage - and a critical mass of subscribers - in the
>>> key urban markets of Sydney and Melbourne. Telstra's customers are
>>> predominantly in the bush while its urban coverage remains under-used.
>>>
>>> "Based on a purchase price of $306 million, and assuming an uplift in
>>> EBITDA margins to 25 per cent, the payback period for Telstra would be
>>> 3years with an ROI [return on investment] of 29 per cent," said CSFB
>>> analyst Justin Cameron in the research note.
>>>
>>> While sources from both sides agree there are obvious synergies,
>>> Hutchison said there have been no recent talks with Telstra.
>>>
>>> CSFB has a price target of 51c on Hutchison, which it described as a
>>> high-risk investment. The stock closed yesterday at 34c. Telstra was
>>> unchanged at $5.37.
>>
>>
>
>

[losi]

Not to mention crappy home messages 101, charged *10#, called id at a rip
off $6 a month, great value, not

"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:sQ0_d.750$C7.111@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:vihg315tfuhc0127454gatmoe2rmrpfq36@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:21:27 +1100, John <jmoj@removethisyahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >oohh shit, i run my business using orange local numbers, i can see all
>>> >the old plans being scrapped :-(
>>>
>>> Yep. I'm sure the option to use Local Number Portability would be made
>>> available to customers wishing to pay Telstra $30+ per month for a
>>> pair of copper wires.
>>
>> You get a bit more than a pair of copper wires
>
> Jelly filled, nylon jacket, with pits and sometimes conduit, and the odd
> Krone block or tag strip
>

[Michael]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:39sdk4F67441kU1@individual.net...
>
> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:HQ0_d.751$C7.10@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> >> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.
>
> > Why?
>
> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>
> No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the
dunnys.
>
> > If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
> > to buy (theoretically), then who cares?
>
> Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.

There are six major mobile phone companies in Australia
Making that five ILO six will make no difference

Orange CDMA is a pissweak little operation

No one got out the violins when OneTel went down the crapper

[Michael]

"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:sQ0_d.750$C7.111@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:vihg315tfuhc0127454gatmoe2rmrpfq36@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:21:27 +1100, John <jmoj@removethisyahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >oohh shit, i run my business using orange local numbers, i can see all
> >> >the old plans being scrapped :-(
> >>
> >> Yep. I'm sure the option to use Local Number Portability would be made
> >> available to customers wishing to pay Telstra $30+ per month for a
> >> pair of copper wires.
> >
> > You get a bit more than a pair of copper wires
>
> Jelly filled, nylon jacket, with pits and sometimes conduit, and the odd
> Krone block or tag strip

Now you got the idea!

[Michael]

"losi" <no@way> wrote in message news:42392c67$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> Not to mention crappy home messages 101, charged *10#, called id at a rip
> off $6 a month, great value, not

I must have a special phone line, because:
a) I'm not charged for home messages 101 (I never turned it on)
b) I'm not charged for *10# (I dont use it)
c) $6 for CND is great value. Two EasyCall features for $6 is great too

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4mc_d.1368$C7.19@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:39sdk4F67441kU1@individual.net...
>>
>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:HQ0_d.751$C7.10@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> >> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone pole.
>>
>> > Why?
>>
>> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>>
>> No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the
> dunnys.
>>
>> > If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
>> > to buy (theoretically), then who cares?
>>
>> Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.

> There are six major mobile phone companies in Australia

Not CDMA there aint. Not mobile telcos that provide
a real alternative to a landline service there aint.

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the dunnys.

> Making that five ILO six will make no difference

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the dunnys.

> Orange CDMA is a pissweak little operation

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the dunnys.

> No one got out the violins when OneTel went down the crapper

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the dunnys.

[Albinus]

Michael wrote:
>
> No one got out the violins when OneTel went down the crapper


Mind you pricing on the majority of plans went up, in some cases by a
hefty margin. The SIM only Plan I signed with Optus just before One.Tel
went bust had call rates of 44c/min with a 15c flagfall. The plan Optus
replaced it with after One.Tel's demise was something like 80c/min with
a 22c flagfall, the only "extra" being access to Rollover, but I always
used my included $25 in credit per month.

Even there is a big question mark over its profitability right now, the
addition of "3" as a carrier has had the desired effect of improving
competition, and hence lowering prices among all carriers.


Albinus.

[Michael]

> >> >> If the ACCC allowed that, they should be raped with a telephone
pole.
> >>
> >> > Why?
> >>
> >> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
> >>
> >> No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the
> > dunnys.
> >>
> >> > If Orange want to sell and Telstra wants
> >> > to buy (theoretically), then who cares?
> >>
> >> Wota silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.
>
> > There are six major mobile phone companies in Australia
>
Not CDMA there aint. Not mobile telcos that provide

No one cares whether the six major nets are GSM, CDMA, 3G, or other

> a real alternative to a landline service there aint.

It aint a real alternative in the first instance

> Presumably you actually are that stupid.

And same to you

> No wonder they wont let you do anything more challenging than clean the
dunnys.

And same to you