Re: Telstra launches SMS from fixed lines

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:52:50 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Telstra would be more than happy for all to get mobile phones, better
>> >>revenue for them and they can get rid of a few more loss-making
> payphones
>> >
>> > Isn't the cost of these "loss-making payphones" paid for under USO?
>>
>> Nope.
>
>
> Wrong

Right.

[Charlie Wong]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:30:54 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> > Isn't the cost of these "loss-making payphones" paid for under USO?
>>
>> Nope.
>
>
>Wrong

So if payphones ARE paid for by USO then stop whinging that they're
loss-making.

[Charlie Wong]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:30:53 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>And who contributes most to USO? Telstra.

Not interested. Some community services have to be provided.

What happens when you get mugged and have no way of calling the
Emergency number? You need a payphone.

[Horace Wachope]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:15:29 +1030, "The Family"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:

>"Horace Wachope" <horry_wachope@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> On 21 Mar 2005 17:14:38 -0800, "Giles" <call125111@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Another 21 phones have been fitted with wireless technology that allows
>>>customers to connect remotely to the Internet from their laptops when
>>>near the phone.
>>
>> Does anyone have any more information on this?
>
>This is NOT the smart payphone that we're talking about here.
>
>It's Telstra's WiFi rollout that now covers much of the Sydney and Melbourne
>CBDs and has been implemented to a much more limited extent in other
>capitals. It simply involves mounting a WiFi access point/adsl modem on/in
>the payphone cabinet and connecting it to the phone line.

Ta. I was wondering what the hell they were on about.

[Michael]

"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:30:54 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Isn't the cost of these "loss-making payphones" paid for under USO?
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >
> >
> >Wrong
>
> So if payphones ARE paid for by USO then stop whinging that they're
> loss-making.

Your an idiot - who do you think "USO" are?
Contributions to USO are made by the various carriers in Australia on a
market share basis, or similar.

So if Telstra install loss-making payphones, and Telstra pay most of the
USO, that means that the USO paid payphones which are making a loss, are
paid for mainly by Telstra, so they still make a loss.

[Michael]

"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:30:53 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >And who contributes most to USO? Telstra.
>
> Not interested. Some community services have to be provided.

Yes, some do, and currently there are way too many payphones about.

> What happens when you get mugged and have no way of calling the
> Emergency number? You need a payphone.

Ive decided to buy a mobile phone. Thats my outlet. There are 18m (or some
ridiculous number) of mobile services in Australia for a very good reason

I dont expect a payphone anywhere near me

[Charlie Wong]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:35:31 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> What happens when you get mugged and have no way of calling the
>> Emergency number? You need a payphone.
>
>Ive decided to buy a mobile phone. Thats my outlet. There are 18m (or some
>ridiculous number) of mobile services in Australia for a very good reason
>
>I dont expect a payphone anywhere near me

You have been mugged. You no longer have your mobile phone. People
like you just stare at you from a distance not wanting to "get
involved". Your attackers flee and you are left to die.

[Brendon]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I hardly think that those who need to send SMS are going to baulk at 30c

They will when they can do it from their mobile for less.

[Brendon]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Wont happen with 30c, fool.

Whatever you think Rod

> Thats already about the cost of a voice, call and plenty obviously use
them.

Comparing apples and oranges

[Brendon]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > So they get to pay the 30c and use the SMS facility, or they get to
buy
> a
> > > mobile and pay 25c per SMS.
> >
> > Easy to get a mobile plan where SMS is less than 25c, which makes the
30c
> > charge look even worse.
>
> Telstra would be more than happy for all to get mobile phones, better
> revenue for them and they can get rid of a few more loss-making payphones

Which is what these SMS jobs will be

> > > Their choice.
> >
> > Yep, and it dosnt take much to work out what the popular choice will be.
>
> Yep, the SMS-enabled payphones will do nicely

Nope - the popular choice will be for people to use their mobiles

[Brendon]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I hardly think anyone will baulk at 30c

30c from a payphone or 5-25c from a mobile - easy choice really.

> do you see people refusing to use payphones at 40c per local call when the
> standard local call cost is 22c?

Apples and oranges, comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.

[Brendon]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> We'll see.

Yep, we will

[Brendon]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > And the customer wont give a shit how much the
> > phone costs, just how much it's costs them to use.
>
> And they keep paying 40c for local calls from payphones, fuckwit.

Apples and oranges - comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.

> > Would people pay a higher cab fare because they were in a new falcon
> > instead of a 5 year old one? Dont think so, but by your logic they
would.
>
> Presumably you actually are that stupid.

Didnt think you could rebut it.

[Brendon]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Melbourne has peak taxis, they are only licensed to operate in peak hours,
> like 12am-6am fri/sat/sun nights, or something like that, and the charge
is
> a 20% premium on normal costs
>
> do people use them? of course they do

When there is no alternative, same as these SMS payphones.

> you pay a bit more for convenience.

Having to stand at a payphone and type an SMS vs doing it anywhere (inc
while walking along) on a mobile? Hardly makes the payphone the convenient
choice.

[Michael]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Melbourne has peak taxis, they are only licensed to operate in peak
hours,
> > like 12am-6am fri/sat/sun nights, or something like that, and the charge
> is
> > a 20% premium on normal costs
> >
> > do people use them? of course they do
>
> When there is no alternative, same as these SMS payphones.

So you admit that they are used to cater for a different customer segment,
thus rendering your stupid "people will use their mobiles" argument invalid?

> > you pay a bit more for convenience.
>
> Having to stand at a payphone and type an SMS vs doing it anywhere (inc
> while walking along) on a mobile? Hardly makes the payphone the convenient
> choice.

Youve just said the exact opposite of your above argument. Idiot
tap dancing away from the story, fooling no one at all
>
>
>

[Michael]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > And the customer wont give a shit how much the
> > > phone costs, just how much it's costs them to use.
> >
> > And they keep paying 40c for local calls from payphones, fuckwit.
>
> Apples and oranges - comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.

tap dancing away from the story, fooling no one at all
>
> > > Would people pay a higher cab fare because they were in a new falcon
> > > instead of a 5 year old one? Dont think so, but by your logic they
> would.
> >
> > Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>
> Didnt think you could rebut it.

tap dancing away from the story, fooling no one at all
>
>

[Michael]

"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:35:31 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> What happens when you get mugged and have no way of calling the
> >> Emergency number? You need a payphone.
> >
> >Ive decided to buy a mobile phone. Thats my outlet. There are 18m (or
some
> >ridiculous number) of mobile services in Australia for a very good reason
> >
> >I dont expect a payphone anywhere near me
>
> You have been mugged. You no longer have your mobile phone. People
> like you just stare at you from a distance not wanting to "get
> involved". Your attackers flee and you are left to die.

Shit happens

[Michael]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:T5w0e.9874$C7.8745@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > I hardly think anyone will baulk at 30c
>
> 30c from a payphone or 5-25c from a mobile - easy choice really.
>
> > do you see people refusing to use payphones at 40c per local call when
the
> > standard local call cost is 22c?
>
> Apples and oranges, comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.

Its easy to compare a 30c SMS vs a 25c SMS and a 40c local call vs a 30c
call from your mobile

Try it, its not hard

[Michael]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > I hardly think that those who need to send SMS are going to baulk at 30c
>
> They will when they can do it from their mobile for less.

Telstra never intended it to be used by mobile phone users

[Michael]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > We'll see.
>
> Yep, we will
>
>

Great comeback, brendon