Re: Telstra launches SMS from fixed lines

[Michael]

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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > > So they get to pay the 30c and use the SMS facility, or they get to
> buy
> > a
> > > > mobile and pay 25c per SMS.
> > >
> > > Easy to get a mobile plan where SMS is less than 25c, which makes the
> 30c
> > > charge look even worse.
> >
> > Telstra would be more than happy for all to get mobile phones, better
> > revenue for them and they can get rid of a few more loss-making
payphones
>
> Which is what these SMS jobs will be
>
> > > > Their choice.
> > >
> > > Yep, and it dosnt take much to work out what the popular choice will
be.
> >
> > Yep, the SMS-enabled payphones will do nicely
>
> Nope - the popular choice will be for people to use their mobiles

Payphones arent designed to be used by mobile customers. Completely
different customer segment

[Rod Speed]

Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote

>> I hardly think that those who need to send SMS are going to baulk at 30c

> They will when they can do it from their mobile for less.

Pity SMS from payphones aint for those that have a mobile, fuckwit.

[Rod Speed]

Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>>>> The customer's shit is completely irrelevant to what needs
>>>> to be charged to make those payphones viable, fuckwit.

>>> A payphone wont be viable if no-one uses
>>> it due to the cost of using it being high.

>> Wont happen with 30c, fool.

> Whatever you think Rod

Whatever I know, fool.

They're already paying 40c for a voice call, fuckwit.

>> Thats already about the cost of a voice
>> call and plenty obviously use them.

> Comparing apples and oranges

Even you should be able to manage better than that pathetically hoary old line,
fuckwit.

[Rod Speed]

"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:35:31 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> What happens when you get mugged and have no way of calling the
>>> Emergency number? You need a payphone.
>>
>>Ive decided to buy a mobile phone. Thats my outlet. There are 18m (or some
>>ridiculous number) of mobile services in Australia for a very good reason
>>
>>I dont expect a payphone anywhere near me
>
> You have been mugged. You no longer have your mobile phone. People
> like you just stare at you from a distance not wanting to "get involved".

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

> Your attackers flee and you are left to die.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

[Rod Speed]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> > > So they get to pay the 30c and use the SMS facility, or they get to
> buy
>> a
>> > > mobile and pay 25c per SMS.
>> >
>> > Easy to get a mobile plan where SMS is less than 25c, which makes the
> 30c
>> > charge look even worse.
>>
>> Telstra would be more than happy for all to get mobile phones, better
>> revenue for them and they can get rid of a few more loss-making payphones
>
> Which is what these SMS jobs will be
>
>> > > Their choice.
>> >
>> > Yep, and it dosnt take much to work out what the popular choice will be.
>>
>> Yep, the SMS-enabled payphones will do nicely
>
> Nope - the popular choice will be for people to use their mobiles

Payphones aint for those who have mobiles, fuckwit.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you've never ever had a fucking clue.

[Rod Speed]

Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote

>> I hardly think anyone will baulk at 30c

> 30c from a payphone or 5-25c from a mobile - easy choice really.

Payphones aint for those who have mobiles, fuckwit.

>> do you see people refusing to use payphones at 40c
>> per local call when the standard local call cost is 22c?

> Apples and oranges, comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.

Pathetic, really.

[Rod Speed]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> We'll see.
>
> Yep, we will

And you'll be shown for the terminal fuckwit you have always been.

[Rod Speed]

Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> And the customer wont give a shit how much the
>>> phone costs, just how much it's costs them to use.

>> And they keep paying 40c for local calls from payphones, fuckwit.

> Apples and oranges - comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.

Pathetic, really.

>>> Would people pay a higher cab fare because they were in a new falcon
>>> instead of a 5 year old one? Dont think so, but by your logic they would.

>> Presumably you actually are that stupid.

> Didnt think you could rebut it.

Pathetic, really.

[Brendon]

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> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> >> I hardly think that those who need to send SMS are going to baulk at
30c
>
> > They will when they can do it from their mobile for less.
>
> Pity SMS from payphones aint for those that have a mobile, fuckwit.

Pity most people have a mobile, fuckwit.

[Brendon]

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> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > I hardly think that those who need to send SMS are going to baulk at
30c
> >
> > They will when they can do it from their mobile for less.
>
> Telstra never intended it to be used by mobile phone users

But that's what it has to compete against

[Brendon]

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> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> >>>> The customer's shit is completely irrelevant to what needs
> >>>> to be charged to make those payphones viable, fuckwit.
>
> >>> A payphone wont be viable if no-one uses
> >>> it due to the cost of using it being high.
>
> >> Wont happen with 30c, fool.
>
> > Whatever you think Rod
>
> Whatever I know, fool.

Nope

>
> They're already paying 40c for a voice call, fuckwit.

Voice calls aint SMS

>
> >> Thats already about the cost of a voice
> >> call and plenty obviously use them.
>
> > Comparing apples and oranges
>
> Even you should be able to manage better than that pathetically hoary old
line,
> fuckwit.

This from the person that is the queen of hoary old lines

[Brendon]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Payphones arent designed to be used by mobile customers. Completely
> different customer segment

Fact: Most people in Australia have mobiles
Fact: That is what these SMS payphones will be competing with
Fact: SMS from a mobile is cheaper

[Brendon]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> >> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:OGp0e.9454$C7.6843@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> > > So they get to pay the 30c and use the SMS facility, or they get to
> > buy
> >> a
> >> > > mobile and pay 25c per SMS.
> >> >
> >> > Easy to get a mobile plan where SMS is less than 25c, which makes the
> > 30c
> >> > charge look even worse.
> >>
> >> Telstra would be more than happy for all to get mobile phones, better
> >> revenue for them and they can get rid of a few more loss-making
payphones
> >
> > Which is what these SMS jobs will be
> >
> >> > > Their choice.
> >> >
> >> > Yep, and it dosnt take much to work out what the popular choice will
be.
> >>
> >> Yep, the SMS-enabled payphones will do nicely
> >
> > Nope - the popular choice will be for people to use their mobiles
>
> Payphones aint for those who have mobiles, fuckwit.

Most people have mobiles. It's widely known that payphone use is decreasing
due to the increase in mobile phone use

> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
> that you've never ever had a fucking clue.

Whatever

[Brendon]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Its easy to compare a 30c SMS vs a 25c SMS and a 40c local call vs a 30c
> call from your mobile

30c call from mobile? That's a blanket assumption.

We're talking about SMS anyway.

[Brendon]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> >> I hardly think anyone will baulk at 30c
>
> > 30c from a payphone or 5-25c from a mobile - easy choice really.
>
> Payphones aint for those who have mobiles, fuckwit.

Give up Rod. You know as well as anyone that most people in Oz have mobiles
and payphone use in going down due to them.

> >> do you see people refusing to use payphones at 40c
> >> per local call when the standard local call cost is 22c?
>
> > Apples and oranges, comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.
>
> Pathetic, really.

Another old line from the queen of old lines.

[Brendon]

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> > > We'll see.
> >
> > Yep, we will
> >
> >
>
> Great comeback, brendon

It is - you and Rod will be wrong.

[Brendon]

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> >> We'll see.
> >
> > Yep, we will
>
> And you'll be shown for the terminal fuckwit you have always been.

Nope

[Brendon]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > Melbourne has peak taxis, they are only licensed to operate in peak
> hours,
> > > like 12am-6am fri/sat/sun nights, or something like that, and the
charge
> > is
> > > a 20% premium on normal costs
> > >
> > > do people use them? of course they do
> >
> > When there is no alternative, same as these SMS payphones.
>
> So you admit that they are used to cater for a different customer segment,
> thus rendering your stupid "people will use their mobiles" argument
invalid?

Nope - people will use mobiles wherever possible for SMS over these
payphones - been saying that from the start.
It's widely known that mobile use is going up and payphone use is going
down.

Any normal person would use a standard fare cab over one of these peak times
ones if a standard one was available. Peak one = last resort, just as an SMS
payphone will be over a mobile.

> > > you pay a bit more for convenience.
> >
> > Having to stand at a payphone and type an SMS vs doing it anywhere (inc
> > while walking along) on a mobile? Hardly makes the payphone the
convenient
> > choice.
>
> Youve just said the exact opposite of your above argument. Idiot
> tap dancing away from the story, fooling no one at all

Ummm, you on drugs? I clearly stated another reason to use a mobile for SMS
over a payphone.
Being tied to a payphone is less convenient than using a mobile - not that
hard to understand.

[Brendon]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > > > And the customer wont give a shit how much the
> > > > phone costs, just how much it's costs them to use.
> > >
> > > And they keep paying 40c for local calls from payphones, fuckwit.
> >
> > Apples and oranges - comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.
>
> tap dancing away from the story, fooling no one at all

Stop using other peoples lines because you cant rebut my statement.

> > > > Would people pay a higher cab fare because they were in a new falcon
> > > > instead of a 5 year old one? Dont think so, but by your logic they
> > would.
> > >
> > > Presumably you actually are that stupid.
> >
> > Didnt think you could rebut it.
>
> tap dancing away from the story, fooling no one at all

See above.

[Brendon]

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> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> >>> And the customer wont give a shit how much the
> >>> phone costs, just how much it's costs them to use.
>
> >> And they keep paying 40c for local calls from payphones, fuckwit.
>
> > Apples and oranges - comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.
>
> Pathetic, really.

That's right - cant rebut it.

>
> >>> Would people pay a higher cab fare because they were in a new falcon
> >>> instead of a 5 year old one? Dont think so, but by your logic they
would.
>
> >> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>
> > Didnt think you could rebut it.
>
> Pathetic, really.

That's right - cant rebut it