Re: Telstra launches SMS from fixed lines

[Kwyjibo.]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> said

> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Payphones arent designed to be used by mobile customers. Completely
>> different customer segment
>
> Fact: Most people in Australia have mobiles

Fact: Most people in Australia have a fixed line phone and have had for
years. That hasn't stopped people using payphones for voice calls.

> Fact: That is what these SMS payphones will be competing with

Wrong. They are to coexist, not compete.

> Fact: SMS from a mobile is cheaper

Fact: Phone calls from your home phone have been always been cheaper than
payphones. That hasn't stopped the market for payphones.

--


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[Rod Speed]

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> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote
>>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote

>>>> I hardly think that those who need to send SMS are going to baulk at 30c

>>> They will when they can do it from their mobile for less.

>> Telstra never intended it to be used by mobile phone users

> But that's what it has to compete against

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you've never ever had a fucking clue.

Payphones are used BY THOSE WHO DONT HAVE MOBILE PHONES, FUCKWIT.

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that even tho
it costs 40c to make a local call on a payphone, compared with
25c or so on a landline, the pathetic povs use payphones.

Anyone with a clue can make a short call on their mobile
for a lot less the 40c it costs on a payphone too.

[Rod Speed]

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> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> > Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> >> I hardly think that those who need to send SMS are going to baulk at
> 30c
>>
>> > They will when they can do it from their mobile for less.
>>
>> Pity SMS from payphones aint for those that have a mobile, fuckwit.
>
> Pity most people have a mobile, fuckwit.

Pity SMS from payphones aint for those that have a mobile, fuckwit.

[Rod Speed]

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>> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> >> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote
>> >>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> >>>> The customer's shit is completely irrelevant to what needs
>> >>>> to be charged to make those payphones viable, fuckwit.
>>
>> >>> A payphone wont be viable if no-one uses
>> >>> it due to the cost of using it being high.
>>
>> >> Wont happen with 30c, fool.
>>
>> > Whatever you think Rod
>>
>> Whatever I know, fool.

> Nope

Yep.

>> They're already paying 40c for a voice call, fuckwit.

> Voice calls aint SMS

Duh. You get the same effect with voice calls, fuckwit.

The pathetic povs that dont have a landline or a mobile
pay 40c for a voice call from a payphone BECAUSE THEY
DONT HAVE A LANDLINE OR A MOBILE, FUCKWIT.

They'll do the same thing with SMS too, cretin wanker.

>> >> Thats already about the cost of a voice
>> >> call and plenty obviously use them.
>>
>> > Comparing apples and oranges
>>
>> Even you should be able to manage better than that pathetically hoary old
> line,
>> fuckwit.

> This from the person that is the queen of hoary old lines

Even you should be able to manage better than that pathetically hoary old line,
fuckwit.

[Rod Speed]

Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote

>> Payphones arent designed to be used by mobile
>> customers. Completely different customer segment

> Fact: Most people in Australia have mobiles

Irrelevant to WHO USES PAYPHONES, fuckwit.

> Fact: That is what these SMS payphones will be competing with

Nothing like a fact.

> Fact: SMS from a mobile is cheaper

Fact: local calls from a landline are cheaper than from a
payphone too, AND THE PATHETIC POVS THAT DONT HAVE
A LANDLINE OR A MOBILE USE A PAYPHONE ANYWAY.

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

[Rod Speed]

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>> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >
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>> >> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:OGp0e.9454$C7.6843@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >> > > So they get to pay the 30c and use the SMS facility, or they get to
>> > buy
>> >> a
>> >> > > mobile and pay 25c per SMS.
>> >> >
>> >> > Easy to get a mobile plan where SMS is less than 25c, which makes the
>> > 30c
>> >> > charge look even worse.
>> >>
>> >> Telstra would be more than happy for all to get mobile phones, better
>> >> revenue for them and they can get rid of a few more loss-making
> payphones
>> >
>> > Which is what these SMS jobs will be
>> >
>> >> > > Their choice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yep, and it dosnt take much to work out what the popular choice will
> be.
>> >>
>> >> Yep, the SMS-enabled payphones will do nicely
>> >
>> > Nope - the popular choice will be for people to use their mobiles
>>
>> Payphones aint for those who have mobiles, fuckwit.

> Most people have mobiles.

MOST PEOPLE WHO USE PAYPHONES DONT,
THATS WHY THEY USE PAYPHONES, FUCKWIT.

> It's widely known that payphone use is decreasing
> due to the increase in mobile phone use

Irrelevant to whether payphone are still used BY
THOSE WHO DONT HAVE MOBILE PHONES.

>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
>> that you've never ever had a fucking clue.

> Whatever

Pathetic, really.

[Rod Speed]

"Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> > Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> >> I hardly think anyone will baulk at 30c
>>
>> > 30c from a payphone or 5-25c from a mobile - easy choice really.
>>
>> Payphones aint for those who have mobiles, fuckwit.

> Give up Rod.

No need, fuckwit.

> You know as well as anyone that most people in Oz have mobiles

I know that THOSE WHO USE PAYPHONES DONT HAVE MOBILES, fuckwit.

> and payphone use in going down due to them.

BECAUSE THOSE WHO HAVE MOBILES DONT USE PAYPHONES, fuckwit.

>> >> do you see people refusing to use payphones at 40c
>> >> per local call when the standard local call cost is 22c?
>>
>> > Apples and oranges, comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.
>>
>> Pathetic, really.

> Another old line from the queen of old lines.

Pathetic, really.

[Rod Speed]

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>> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> > > We'll see.
>> >
>> > Yep, we will
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Great comeback, brendon
>
> It is - you and Rod will be wrong.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, child.

[Rod Speed]

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>> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> >> We'll see.
>> >
>> > Yep, we will
>>
>> And you'll be shown for the terminal fuckwit you have always been.
>
> Nope

Yep. Plenty will use a 30c SMS instead of a 40c voice call, fuckwit.

[Rod Speed]

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>> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> > > Melbourne has peak taxis, they are only licensed to operate in peak
>> hours,
>> > > like 12am-6am fri/sat/sun nights, or something like that, and the
> charge
>> > is
>> > > a 20% premium on normal costs
>> > >
>> > > do people use them? of course they do
>> >
>> > When there is no alternative, same as these SMS payphones.
>>
>> So you admit that they are used to cater for a different customer segment,
>> thus rendering your stupid "people will use their mobiles" argument invalid?

> Nope

You clearly are that stupid.

> - people will use mobiles wherever possible for SMS over these payphones

PEOPLE WHO USE PAYPHONES DONT HAVE MOBILES, fuckwit.

> - been saying that from the start.

Yep, been flaunting your terminal stupidity all along. Nothing new there.

> It's widely known that mobile use is going
> up and payphone use is going down.

BECAUSE THOSE WHO HAVE MOBILES DONT USE PAYPHONES, fuckwit.

> Any normal person would use a standard fare cab over one of these peak times
> ones if a standard one was available. Peak one = last resort, just as an SMS
> payphone will be over a mobile.

Pathetic, really.

>> > > you pay a bit more for convenience.
>> >
>> > Having to stand at a payphone and type an SMS vs doing it anywhere (inc
>> > while walking along) on a mobile? Hardly makes the payphone the
> convenient
>> > choice.
>>
>> Youve just said the exact opposite of your above argument. Idiot
>> tap dancing away from the story, fooling no one at all

> Ummm, you on drugs?

Nope, you are, and suffering from ear to ear dog shit as well.

> I clearly stated another reason to use a mobile for SMS over a payphone.

Pity THOSE WHO USE PAYPHONES DONT HAVE MOBILES, fuckwit.

> Being tied to a payphone is less convenient
> than using a mobile - not that hard to understand.

Pity THOSE WHO USE PAYPHONES DONT HAVE MOBILES, fuckwit.

[Rod Speed]

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> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
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>> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> >>> And the customer wont give a shit how much the
>> >>> phone costs, just how much it's costs them to use.
>>
>> >> And they keep paying 40c for local calls from payphones, fuckwit.
>>
>> > Apples and oranges - comparing SMS costs here, not voice calls.
>>
>> Pathetic, really.

> That's right - cant rebut it.

Pathetic, really.

>> >>> Would people pay a higher cab fare because they were in a new falcon
>> >>> instead of a 5 year old one? Dont think so, but by your logic they
> would.
>>
>> >> Presumably you actually are that stupid.
>>
>> > Didnt think you could rebut it.
>>
>> Pathetic, really.

> That's right - cant rebut it

Pathetic, really.

[Charlie Wong]

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:53:19 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I know that THOSE WHO USE PAYPHONES DONT HAVE MOBILES, fuckwit.

Wrong.

Near to where I live there's a bank of 4 Telstra payphones. Something
I'd noticed long before this thread was people standing there with
their mobile, looking up a number from their mobile then using the
payphone to make the call.

Yes, I'd say that 90% of those using the payphone had a mobile, but in
the end they were using the payphone NOT the mobile to place the call.

[Rod Speed]

Charlie Wong <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>> I know that THOSE WHO USE PAYPHONES DONT HAVE MOBILES, fuckwit.

> Wrong.

Right.

> Near to where I live

Obvious lie.

> there's a bank of 4 Telstra payphones. Something I'd noticed
> long before this thread was people standing there with their
> mobile, looking up a number from their mobile then using the
> payphone to make the call.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> Yes, I'd say that 90% of those using the payphone had a mobile,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> but in the end they were using the payphone
> NOT the mobile to place the call.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

[Michael]

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> > Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
> >
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> > > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> > >> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote
> > >>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> > >>>> The customer's shit is completely irrelevant to what needs
> > >>>> to be charged to make those payphones viable, fuckwit.
> >
> > >>> A payphone wont be viable if no-one uses
> > >>> it due to the cost of using it being high.
> >
> > >> Wont happen with 30c, fool.
> >
> > > Whatever you think Rod
> >
> > Whatever I know, fool.
>
> Nope
>
> >
> > They're already paying 40c for a voice call, fuckwit.
>
> Voice calls aint SMS

You tool.
given the choice of a 40c local call or a 30c sms, what do you think a lot
of people are going to choose?

[Michael]

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> >> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
> >>
> >
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> >> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> >> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote
> >> >>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>
> >> >>>> The customer's shit is completely irrelevant to what needs
> >> >>>> to be charged to make those payphones viable, fuckwit.
> >>
> >> >>> A payphone wont be viable if no-one uses
> >> >>> it due to the cost of using it being high.
> >>
> >> >> Wont happen with 30c, fool.
> >>
> >> > Whatever you think Rod
> >>
> >> Whatever I know, fool.
>
> > Nope
>
> Yep.
>
> >> They're already paying 40c for a voice call, fuckwit.
>
> > Voice calls aint SMS
>
> Duh. You get the same effect with voice calls, fuckwit.
>
> The pathetic povs that dont have a landline or a mobile
> pay 40c for a voice call from a payphone BECAUSE THEY
> DONT HAVE A LANDLINE OR A MOBILE, FUCKWIT.
>
> They'll do the same thing with SMS too, cretin wanker.

I guess someone had to blast it in to him, it should have been obvious from
the beginning

[Michael]

"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:53:19 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I know that THOSE WHO USE PAYPHONES DONT HAVE MOBILES, fuckwit.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Near to where I live there's a bank of 4 Telstra payphones. Something
> I'd noticed long before this thread was people standing there with
> their mobile, looking up a number from their mobile then using the
> payphone to make the call.

Big deal, irrelevant sample size

Most likely to be people on a tariff where the cost of the flagfall and 1st
30 secs > 40c.

A lot of people are on tariffs that are less than that

[Michael]

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> > "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
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> > >>
> > >> "Brendon" <no@way.man> wrote in message
> > >>
> > >
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> > >> > "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > >> > > So they get to pay the 30c and use the SMS facility, or they get
to
> > > buy
> > >> a
> > >> > > mobile and pay 25c per SMS.
> > >> >
> > >> > Easy to get a mobile plan where SMS is less than 25c, which makes
the
> > > 30c
> > >> > charge look even worse.
> > >>
> > >> Telstra would be more than happy for all to get mobile phones, better
> > >> revenue for them and they can get rid of a few more loss-making
> payphones
> > >
> > > Which is what these SMS jobs will be
> > >
> > >> > > Their choice.
> > >> >
> > >> > Yep, and it dosnt take much to work out what the popular choice
will
> be.
> > >>
> > >> Yep, the SMS-enabled payphones will do nicely
> > >
> > > Nope - the popular choice will be for people to use their mobiles
> >
> > Payphones aint for those who have mobiles, fuckwit.
>
> Most people have mobiles. It's widely known that payphone use is
decreasing
> due to the increase in mobile phone use

Exactly, you fuckwit.
So you have just ADMITTED that people who use mobiles dont use payphones,
thus invalidating all your previous "arguments"

fuckwit

telstra are more than happy to remove payphones due to increased mobile use

payphones dont make much money (a lot lose money)
mobiles is a money spinner

[Michael]

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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Its easy to compare a 30c SMS vs a 25c SMS and a 40c local call vs a 30c
> > call from your mobile
>
> 30c call from mobile? That's a blanket assumption.
>
> We're talking about SMS anyway.

We are talking about whatever I choose to put in the post.

You havent refuted my post any, dickwit
>
>

[Brendon]

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> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
> that you've never ever had a fucking clue.

Nope

> Payphones are used BY THOSE WHO DONT HAVE MOBILE PHONES, FUCKWIT.

Most people have mobiles and increasing, payphone use is going down.

> Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that even tho
> it costs 40c to make a local call on a payphone, compared with
> 25c or so on a landline, the pathetic povs use payphones.

Comparing SMS here, not voice.

> Anyone with a clue can make a short call on their mobile
> for a lot less the 40c it costs on a payphone too.

Comparing SMS here, not voice.

[Brendon]

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> >> Brendon <no@way.man> wrote in message
> >>
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> >> > Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>
> >> >> I hardly think that those who need to send SMS are going to baulk at
> > 30c
> >>
> >> > They will when they can do it from their mobile for less.
> >>
> >> Pity SMS from payphones aint for those that have a mobile, fuckwit.
> >
> > Pity most people have a mobile, fuckwit.
>
> Pity SMS from payphones aint for those that have a mobile, fuckwit.

Pity most people have a mobile, fuckwit.