free credit

[FruitLoop]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:U6r0e.9538$C7.3949@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> >> A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
>
> > Aha, right.
>
> > So phone calls cost the network nothing?
>
> Not if its their own network, stupid.

So who pays for the infrastructure and capital expendure * The Fairies * I
suppose .
Your babbling on without a clue as always.

The company will have to meet possible interest and continual maintenance
and operational costings . Thats not free.
Look at 3 they have spent a small fortune and have been making losses for 3
years writing off the infrastucture.



>
> Not even a cent more of electricity is used.
>
>

[Michael]

"FruitLoop" <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3agi2uF6bmuhuU1@individual.net...
> >
> > [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
> > news:U6r0e.9538$C7.3949@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > >> A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
> >
> > > Aha, right.
> >
> > > So phone calls cost the network nothing?
> >
> > Not if its their own network, stupid.
>
> So who pays for the infrastructure and capital expendure * The Fairies * I
> suppose .
> Your babbling on without a clue as always.
>
> The company will have to meet possible interest and continual maintenance
> and operational costings . Thats not free.
> Look at 3 they have spent a small fortune and have been making losses for
3
> years writing off the infrastucture.

And Voda made a loss for the first 10 years

[Michael]

"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@MySmellyJocksozdebate.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>
>
> > mobile base stations have a number of channels available to make calls,
> > the longer people use the mobile, the smaller the availability of said
> > channels, thus the relevant reason for having timed calls.
>
> Try explaing the untimed local fixed line calls when the same sorts of
limits
> apply to the fixed line inter-exchange network.

There is heaps of spare capacity in the fixed line network, always has, and
always will.


Mobiles is much more tight

[Michael]

"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:58:10 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >in spades with optus' 'yes time' offer which forced optus to expand their
> >network in a big way, often just increasing the saturation of coverage
> >without adding ANY new geographical coverage
>
> The massive increase in percentage population coverage in recent years
> bringing it almost in line with Telstra GSM coverage is no NEW
> geographical coverage?

No where near Telstra GSM.

> From a reliability and depth of coverage perspective I wish that
> Hutchison 3G National Roaming was with SingTel Optus rather than
> Telstra (effective 01/04/2005).

I very much doubt it will be 1/4/5

[Michael]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:U6r0e.9538$C7.3949@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> >> A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
>
> > Aha, right.
>
> > So phone calls cost the network nothing?
>
> Not if its their own network, stupid.
>
> Not even a cent more of electricity is used.

Revtel dont have a network, Roddles

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> desperately
attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
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and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

[Rod Speed]

FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> [] <a@b.c> wrote

>>>> A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.

>>> Aha, right.

>>> So phone calls cost the network nothing?

>> Not if its their own network, stupid.

> So who pays for the infrastructure and capital expendure

Irrelevant to the marginal cost to the network operator of the credit, fuckwit.

> The company will have to meet possible interest and continual
> maintenance and operational costings . Thats not free.

Irrelevant to the marginal cost to the network operator of the credit, fuckwit.

> Look at 3 they have spent a small fortune and have been
> making losses for 3 years writing off the infrastucture.

Irrelevant to the marginal cost to the network operator of the credit, fuckwit.

>> Not even a cent more of electricity is used.

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3agi2uF6bmuhuU1@individual.net...
>>
>> [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
>> news:U6r0e.9538$C7.3949@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> >> A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
>>
>> > Aha, right.
>>
>> > So phone calls cost the network nothing?
>>
>> Not if its their own network, stupid.
>>
>> Not even a cent more of electricity is used.

> Revtel dont have a network.

Irrelevant, fuckwit.

Like I said that credit is a hell of a lot cheaper than advertising, fuckwit.

[FruitLoop]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1ZI0e.10644$C7.1333@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3agi2uF6bmuhuU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
> >> news:U6r0e.9538$C7.3949@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >>
> >> >> A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
> >>
> >> > Aha, right.
> >>
> >> > So phone calls cost the network nothing?
> >>
> >> Not if its their own network, stupid.
> >>
> >> Not even a cent more of electricity is used.
>
> > Revtel dont have a network.
>
> Irrelevant, fuckwit.

Just like ROD SPEED,s opinions

>
> Like I said that credit is a hell of a lot cheaper than advertising,
fuckwit.
>
>

[Michael]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1ZI0e.10644$C7.1333@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3agi2uF6bmuhuU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
> >> news:U6r0e.9538$C7.3949@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >>
> >> >> A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
> >>
> >> > Aha, right.
> >>
> >> > So phone calls cost the network nothing?
> >>
> >> Not if its their own network, stupid.
> >>
> >> Not even a cent more of electricity is used.
>
> > Revtel dont have a network.
>
> Irrelevant, fuckwit.

Not.

> Like I said that credit is a hell of a lot cheaper than advertising,
fuckwit.

I dont disagree with that, but a credit isnt free
>
>

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3ah6hhF6bq20lU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1ZI0e.10644$C7.1333@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
>> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3agi2uF6bmuhuU1@individual.net...
>> >>
>> >> [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
>> >> news:U6r0e.9538$C7.3949@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >>
>> >> >> A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
>> >>
>> >> > Aha, right.
>> >>
>> >> > So phone calls cost the network nothing?
>> >>
>> >> Not if its their own network, stupid.
>> >>
>> >> Not even a cent more of electricity is used.
>>
>> > Revtel dont have a network.
>>
>> Irrelevant, fuckwit.

> Not.

Pathetic, really.

>> Like I said that credit is a hell of a lot cheaper than advertising, fuckwit.

> I dont disagree with that, but a credit isnt free

Pathetic, really.

[googlegroups@sensation.net.au]

Michael wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3aefc6F64t4f3U1@individual.net...
> >
> > [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
> > news:jwm0e.9307$C7.3818@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > > Or how far companies are willing to lose money in order to make
some.
> >
> > A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
>
> Of course it is, Rod? are you daft?
> If you didnt give the credit the customer would be paying $30 to you,
for
> $30 worth of service, instead of paying $0 to you, for $30 worth of
service

Giving out that free credit to acquire a new *subscriber* (not just
once-off purchase) is probably relatively cheap. It's obviously going
to cost them less than $30.

In another industry I'm involved in it is not unusual to pay $100+ to
acquire a subscriber, even though it's a competitive industry and
margins are tight. Think long term.

[Michael]

<googlegroups@sensation.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> Michael wrote:
> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3aefc6F64t4f3U1@individual.net...
> > >
> > > [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
> > > news:jwm0e.9307$C7.3818@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > >
> > > > Or how far companies are willing to lose money in order to make
> some.
> > >
> > > A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
> >
> > Of course it is, Rod? are you daft?
> > If you didnt give the credit the customer would be paying $30 to you,
> for
> > $30 worth of service, instead of paying $0 to you, for $30 worth of
> service
>
> Giving out that free credit to acquire a new *subscriber* (not just
> once-off purchase) is probably relatively cheap. It's obviously going
> to cost them less than $30.
>
> In another industry I'm involved in it is not unusual to pay $100+ to
> acquire a subscriber, even though it's a competitive industry and
> margins are tight. Think long term.

And how many of those people are actually going to use the service past the
$30 free credit?

My guess? Less than 50%

[Martin Taylor]

[] said....

> So phone calls cost the network nothing?

In real terms, probably bugger all cost. Unlike say, when you turn a
light on, that's calcuable energy being used. How can the cost of a call
be measured? And another, SMS messages. Profit margin aside, are they
worth anything, other than what it costs to install a few message
servers and a few bods to maintain them?



--
If you think nobody cares, try missing a couple of payments.

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> <googlegroups@sensation.net.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> Michael wrote:
>> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3aefc6F64t4f3U1@individual.net...
>> > >
>> > > [] <a@b.c> wrote in message
>> > > news:jwm0e.9307$C7.3818@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > >
>> > > > Or how far companies are willing to lose money in order to make
>> some.
>> > >
>> > > A credit isnt losing any money, stupid.
>> >
>> > Of course it is, Rod? are you daft?
>> > If you didnt give the credit the customer would be paying $30 to you,
>> for
>> > $30 worth of service, instead of paying $0 to you, for $30 worth of
>> service
>>
>> Giving out that free credit to acquire a new *subscriber* (not just
>> once-off purchase) is probably relatively cheap. It's obviously going
>> to cost them less than $30.
>>
>> In another industry I'm involved in it is not unusual to pay $100+ to
>> acquire a subscriber, even though it's a competitive industry and
>> margins are tight. Think long term.
>
> And how many of those people are actually going to use the service past the
> $30 free credit?
>
> My guess? Less than 50%

Who cares ? Its still a very cheap way to suck in those who do stay.