ABC2 guide in SMH's "the Guide" today..

[mattabat@gmail.com]

Yes, the SMH has published the TV guide for ABC2 in todays "the
Guide"..
It however is in small enough type to warrant the use of a magnifying
glass (to prevent headaches and for those with poor vision). It's
bundled with the pay TV guide information. Of course, no descriptions
of what's on or anything.. the title of the show says it all
apparently.
Not exactly first class treatment for a free-to-air TV station, but
it's there!

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mattabat

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mattabat@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yes, the SMH has published the TV guide for ABC2 in todays "the
> Guide"..
> It however is in small enough type to warrant the use of a magnifying
> glass (to prevent headaches and for those with poor vision). It's
> bundled with the pay TV guide information. Of course, no descriptions
> of what's on or anything.. the title of the show says it all
> apparently.
> Not exactly first class treatment for a free-to-air TV station, but
> it's there!

You whinging arsehole. Last week you whinged and complained it wasn't
there, so we put it in for you. Now you're still complaining. So we'll
take it out from next week.

[Kevin Hendrikssen]

<mattabat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113805930.074609.42880@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Yes, the SMH has published the TV guide for ABC2 in todays "the
> Guide"..
> It however is in small enough type to warrant the use of a magnifying
> glass (to prevent headaches and for those with poor vision). It's
> bundled with the pay TV guide information. Of course, no descriptions
> of what's on or anything.. the title of the show says it all
> apparently.
> Not exactly first class treatment for a free-to-air TV station, but
> it's there!

Yeah that was my reaction too, but it's better than nothing. Unfortunately I
fold up my Guide so it means that it's tucked away on the back. Of course
the advertising on the main listings page takes priority after all.

If it were up to me I'd find a way to fit the main five channels, plus ABC2,
SBS World News, and (when it returns to the airwaves) Channel 31 all on the
same page. Although I reckon I'd have to turn it sideways to make it work.

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Kevin Hendrikssen wrote:
>
> <mattabat@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1113805930.074609.42880@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> > Yes, the SMH has published the TV guide for ABC2 in todays "the
> > Guide"..
> > It however is in small enough type to warrant the use of a magnifying
> > glass (to prevent headaches and for those with poor vision). It's
> > bundled with the pay TV guide information. Of course, no descriptions
> > of what's on or anything.. the title of the show says it all
> > apparently.
> > Not exactly first class treatment for a free-to-air TV station, but
> > it's there!
>
> Yeah that was my reaction too, but it's better than nothing. Unfortunately I
> fold up my Guide so it means that it's tucked away on the back. Of course
> the advertising on the main listings page takes priority after all.
>
> If it were up to me I'd find a way to fit the main five channels, plus ABC2,
> SBS World News, and (when it returns to the airwaves) Channel 31 all on the
> same page. Although I reckon I'd have to turn it sideways to make it work.

I can't see the point for putting ABC2 in the green guide as if you can
access ABC2, you can also access the electronic tv guide on your set top
box.

[Kevin Hendrikssen]

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<suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message news:42635DB3.2404B506@yahoo.fr...

> I can't see the point for putting ABC2 in the green guide as if you can
> access ABC2, you can also access the electronic tv guide on your set top
> box.

Only if you have Foxtel digital, and those of us who have access to the
seven day EPG ripped off the net.

On terrestrial it only carries now and next info, like all the other
channels.

[mattabat@gmail.com]

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wrote:
> mattabat@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the SMH has published the TV guide for ABC2 in todays "the
> > Guide"..
> > It however is in small enough type to warrant the use of a
magnifying
> > glass (to prevent headaches and for those with poor vision). It's
> > bundled with the pay TV guide information. Of course, no
descriptions
> > of what's on or anything.. the title of the show says it all
> > apparently.
> > Not exactly first class treatment for a free-to-air TV station, but
> > it's there!
>
> You whinging arsehole. Last week you whinged and complained it
wasn't
> there, so we put it in for you. Now you're still complaining. So
we'll
> take it out from next week.

Now now children, I wasn't complaining about it being there!
Sticks and stones may break my bones but insults will only strengthen
them..

--
mattabat

[michaelidato@hotmail.com]

Er ... a couple of points on that.

1. ABC2 isn't quite free to air. Unless, of course, someone is handing
out those digital set-top boxes at no charge. When I got mine, the
gentleman in the store seemed very keen on getting some money off me in
exchange.

2. ABC2, like digital pay TV, can only be seen through the appropriate
set-top box. In all cases, those set-top boxes carry electronic program
guides. They are, therefore, a slightly lower priority in terms of
program listings than analog FTA TV services.

Michael

[Kevin Hendrikssen]

<michaelidato@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113818414.655137.134810@l41g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> 2. ABC2, like digital pay TV, can only be seen through the appropriate
> set-top box. In all cases, those set-top boxes carry electronic program
> guides. They are, therefore, a slightly lower priority in terms of
> program listings than analog FTA TV services.

ABC only provides Now and Next on digital FTA, Michael.

But this baby step is appreciated ;-)

[michaelidato@hotmail.com]

Sorry ... should have included the quoted text:

> Yes, the SMH has published the TV guide for ABC2 in todays "the
Guide"..
> It however is in small enough type to warrant the use of a magnifying

> glass (to prevent headaches and for those with poor vision). It's
> bundled with the pay TV guide information. Of course, no descriptions

> of what's on or anything.. the title of the show says it all
> apparently.
> Not exactly first class treatment for a free-to-air TV station, but
> it's there!
> --
> mattabat

1. ABC2 isn't quite free to air. Unless, of course, someone is handing
out those digital set-top boxes at no charge. When I got mine, the
gentleman in the store seemed very keen on getting some money off me in

exchange.

2. ABC2, like digital pay TV, can only be seen through the appropriate
set-top box. In all cases, those set-top boxes carry electronic program

guides. They are, therefore, a slightly lower priority in terms of
program listings than analog FTA TV services.

Michael

[michaelidato@hotmail.com]

> ABC only provides Now and Next on digital FTA, Michael

Fair enuff. I take it back then. My set-top box gathers dust as I
mainly watch telly on the Foxtel-equipped telly, so I see the Foxtel
listing. (Which is actually pretty good.)

The issue here is obviously one of space, and it's not going to get any
roomier. As the legislative regime relaxes in coming years and more FTA
digital services roll out, there will be more channels clamoring to get
into the same (or less) space.

Michael

[Kevin Hendrikssen]

<michaelidato@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113819648.508666.129300@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
>> ABC only provides Now and Next on digital FTA, Michael
>
> Fair enuff. I take it back then. My set-top box gathers dust as I
> mainly watch telly on the Foxtel-equipped telly, so I see the Foxtel
> listing. (Which is actually pretty good.)
>
> The issue here is obviously one of space, and it's not going to get any
> roomier. As the legislative regime relaxes in coming years and more FTA
> digital services roll out, there will be more channels clamoring to get
> into the same (or less) space.

Well, as I say, you could always turn the page sideways. I bet most people
fold their Guide/Green Guides back like that anyway, so does it matter if
it's landscape?

I understand ABC has trialled a multi channel EPG using the MHP platform
(which, ironically, no Aust STBs currently support). hopefully they will
roll this out and provide a proper seven day EPG (similar to the Foxtel one)
in the future. Existing STBs will be able to be be upgraded to MHP
capability via a firmware upgrade if only their manufacturers decide to run
with it.

Either way, I'll still buy my Monday Herald.

[Bill_h]

On 18 Apr 2005 03:00:14 -0700, michaelidato@hotmail.com wrote:

>Er ... a couple of points on that.
>
>1. ABC2 isn't quite free to air. Unless, of course, someone is handing
>out those digital set-top boxes at no charge. When I got mine, the
>gentleman in the store seemed very keen on getting some money off me in
>exchange.

If no-one will give a free analogue TV, does that mean that free to
air analogue TV is not free to air?

>
>2. ABC2, like digital pay TV, can only be seen through the appropriate
>set-top box. In all cases, those set-top boxes carry electronic program
>guides. They are, therefore, a slightly lower priority in terms of
>program listings than analog FTA TV services.
>
>Michael

[michaelidato@hotmail.com]

Good point.

For the record, I draw an imaginary line between the TV set and its
peripherals.
Until integrated digital TV sets become commonplace.
Then you officially win the argument.
<hehe>

Michael

[ML]

> For the record, I draw an imaginary line between the TV set and its
> peripherals.
> Until integrated digital TV sets become commonplace.
> Then you officially win the argument.
> <hehe>

No, he already won the argument.

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[Highlandish]

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> <mattabat@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1113805930.074609.42880@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>> Yes, the SMH has published the TV guide for ABC2 in todays "the
>> Guide"..
>> It however is in small enough type to warrant the use of a magnifying
>> glass (to prevent headaches and for those with poor vision). It's
>> bundled with the pay TV guide information. Of course, no descriptions
>> of what's on or anything.. the title of the show says it all
>> apparently.
>> Not exactly first class treatment for a free-to-air TV station, but
>> it's there!
>
> Yeah that was my reaction too, but it's better than nothing.
> Unfortunately I fold up my Guide so it means that it's tucked away on
> the back. Of course the advertising on the main listings page takes
> priority after all.
> If it were up to me I'd find a way to fit the main five channels,
> plus ABC2, SBS World News, and (when it returns to the airwaves)
> Channel 31 all on the same page. Although I reckon I'd have to turn
> it sideways to make it work.

I find that if guides attempt to make more space to display more channels,
program descriptions/synopses disappear. I like the smh guide because it is
more descriptive about what's on. I don't want to loose this. maybe they can
print 2 pages.

--
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Take out the _CURSEING to reply to me

[Kevin Hendrikssen]

"Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Quoth The Raven "Kevin Hendrikssen"<spam@spam.com> in

>> If it were up to me I'd find a way to fit the main five channels,
>> plus ABC2, SBS World News, and (when it returns to the airwaves)
>> Channel 31 all on the same page. Although I reckon I'd have to turn
>> it sideways to make it work.
>
> I find that if guides attempt to make more space to display more channels,
> program descriptions/synopses disappear. I like the smh guide because it
> is more descriptive about what's on. I don't want to loose this. maybe
> they can print 2 pages.

I like The Guide because of things like the movie guide and the thumbs
up/down listings. That's why I say to print it all in landscape layout.
Except they'd have to forgo the advertising space on the TV listings pages
to make it work, and that will never happen.

Those token Pay TV listings are superfluous tho. They should dump that.

[Highlandish]

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> "Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Quoth The Raven "Kevin Hendrikssen"<spam@spam.com> in
>
>>> If it were up to me I'd find a way to fit the main five channels,
>>> plus ABC2, SBS World News, and (when it returns to the airwaves)
>>> Channel 31 all on the same page. Although I reckon I'd have to turn
>>> it sideways to make it work.
>>
>> I find that if guides attempt to make more space to display more
>> channels, program descriptions/synopses disappear. I like the smh
>> guide because it is more descriptive about what's on. I don't want
>> to loose this. maybe they can print 2 pages.
>
> I like The Guide because of things like the movie guide and the thumbs
> up/down listings. That's why I say to print it all in landscape
> layout. Except they'd have to forgo the advertising space on the TV
> listings pages to make it work, and that will never happen.
>
> Those token Pay TV listings are superfluous tho. They should dump
> that.

for sure. most ppl with paytv already have guides, the listing in the smh
only serves as an ad for paytv for those without to see what they're missing
out on

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[Kevin Hendrikssen]

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> Quoth The Raven "Kevin Hendrikssen"<spam@spam.com> in
> 4263a0a2$0$365$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au

>> Those token Pay TV listings are superfluous tho. They should dump
>> that.
>
> for sure. most ppl with paytv already have guides, the listing in the smh
> only serves as an ad for paytv for those without to see what they're
> missing out on

LOL. Those who don't have payTV are informed enough to know they're not
missing much at all, without promoting that fact in The Guide.

[michaelidato@hotmail.com]

Highlandish ... FYI, we devote two pages to each day's TV at the
moment, split between a page of previews (with digital & pay TV down
the bottom), and a page of FTA network listings, with a strip ad.

Gazing into the crystal ball, the future is probably a slimmer preview
section, a bigger digital & pay TV listing and (hopefully) the same
amount of space devoted to the FTA network listings.

At the core of the problem is advertising revenue vs editorial space.
Obviously, any newspaper desires to be a profitable business but the
hard fast fact is that almost every TV guide insert in a newspaper runs
at a loss.

There is some advertising revenue, sure, but more often than not, there
is no enough revenue to balance the seven pages (or in The Guide's
case, fourteen) given over to listings. The networks do not pay to be
listed, we list them as a public service, thus, the space is revenue
neutral. (Lord ... I sound like an accountant.)

The upshot is that more pages is simply impossible. So the balance must
be more information in the same space. For that reason, digital and pay
TV, with relatively low penetration, get slimmed down listings, while
we devote the biggest space to FTA network programming.

If you get a chance to look at a British newspaper (a spooky window in
the future, I fear) they often have two tabloid pages of listings, with
almost no information. Just the FTA networks in about half the space
The Guide gives them, and about 30 or 40 digital and pay channels with
the same "time and title only" listing as The Guide.

Michael

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On 18 Apr 2005 01:50:21 -0700, mattabat@gmail.com wrote:

>
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>wrote:
>> mattabat@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, the SMH has published the TV guide for ABC2 in todays "the
>> > Guide"..
>> > It however is in small enough type to warrant the use of a
>magnifying
>> > glass (to prevent headaches and for those with poor vision). It's
>> > bundled with the pay TV guide information. Of course, no
>descriptions
>> > of what's on or anything.. the title of the show says it all
>> > apparently.
>> > Not exactly first class treatment for a free-to-air TV station, but
>> > it's there!
>>
>> You whinging arsehole. Last week you whinged and complained it
>wasn't
>> there, so we put it in for you. Now you're still complaining. So
>we'll
>> take it out from next week.
>
>Now now children, I wasn't complaining about it being there!
>Sticks and stones may break my bones but insults will only strengthen
>them..

Soixante Un Vieille Viande De Jour, now with extra calcium.