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kevcat
25-04-2005, 04:55 PM
Got drunk Sat nite at a party far from home
so the wife had to drive, this is the first time I have had her drive me
through the city that I can recall
it is then I discover she is one of those people I hate to drive
alongside in traffic
she crosses the lane divider on most bends, this has had many people cop
a blast from the air horns as they come within inches of having huge
black tyre marks up the side of their car

but even worse
when she had to change lanes she waits until there is a gap THEN hits
the indicator and make the change, meanwhile everyone around here is
just guessing at what she intends doing

This I hate so much, you see it all the time, people wanting to change
lanes, they brake and look and generally cause some chaos until they see
their chance then indicate

who is teaching these people this

why don't they indicate first, give everyone around them a clue as to
what their intentions are, then start looking for the opportunity to
make the move

so as you would expect, a bit of a cold trip home as she was insulted
that I dare comment on her driving

Kev

kevcat
25-04-2005, 04:55 PM
add to this I gave her a serve because she was doing 80 through Morooka
, a car length behind another car on a wet road
with our 3 children in the back

Kev

kevcat wrote:
>
> Got drunk Sat nite at a party far from home
> so the wife had to drive, this is the first time I have had her drive me
> through the city that I can recall
> it is then I discover she is one of those people I hate to drive
> alongside in traffic
> she crosses the lane divider on most bends, this has had many people cop
> a blast from the air horns as they come within inches of having huge
> black tyre marks up the side of their car
>
> but even worse
> when she had to change lanes she waits until there is a gap THEN hits
> the indicator and make the change, meanwhile everyone around here is
> just guessing at what she intends doing
>
> This I hate so much, you see it all the time, people wanting to change
> lanes, they brake and look and generally cause some chaos until they see
> their chance then indicate
>
> who is teaching these people this
>
> why don't they indicate first, give everyone around them a clue as to
> what their intentions are, then start looking for the opportunity to
> make the move
>
> so as you would expect, a bit of a cold trip home as she was insulted
> that I dare comment on her driving
>
> Kev

Mot Adv-NSW
25-04-2005, 04:55 PM
"kevcat" <kevcat@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:425BD88C.E5395C20@dodo.com.au...

It's enough to drive you to drink!

Not easy when its close to home, but in a diplomatic, discussionary way, it
might be time to 're-teach' (or teach her in the fist instance) these
points.

Have her stop on an emergency lane, does she indicate left to stop and keep
the indicator on for the duration?

Have her then rejoin the road, does she first pick up speed, indicate right
to rejoin the traffic lane? OR is she one of those that merely waits and
merges directly 'right' onto it?

Curious.. Good luck.

Clockmeister
25-04-2005, 04:56 PM
"kevcat" <kevcat@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:425BD88C.E5395C20@dodo.com.au...
> Got drunk Sat nite at a party far from home
> so the wife had to drive, this is the first time I have had her drive me
> through the city that I can recall
> it is then I discover she is one of those people I hate to drive
> alongside in traffic
> she crosses the lane divider on most bends, this has had many people cop
> a blast from the air horns as they come within inches of having huge
> black tyre marks up the side of their car
>
> but even worse
> when she had to change lanes she waits until there is a gap THEN hits
> the indicator and make the change, meanwhile everyone around here is
> just guessing at what she intends doing
>
> This I hate so much, you see it all the time, people wanting to change
> lanes, they brake and look and generally cause some chaos until they see
> their chance then indicate
>
> who is teaching these people this
>
> why don't they indicate first, give everyone around them a clue as to
> what their intentions are, then start looking for the opportunity to
> make the move
>
> so as you would expect, a bit of a cold trip home as she was insulted
> that I dare comment on her driving
>


Funny how they get like that. I usually laugh when she brings up that it was
me who wrote of two cars many, many years ago before we even met for
suggesting that if she slows down a bit earlier when approaching a red light
instead of stopping at the last minute she may not have to stop at all!?

Bob Saccamano
25-04-2005, 04:56 PM
"kevcat" <kevcat@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:425BD88C.E5395C20@dodo.com.au...
>> when she had to change lanes she waits until there is a gap THEN hits
> the indicator and make the change, meanwhile everyone around here is
> just guessing at what she intends doing
>
Probably bred in peak hour traffic. Here, if you indicate your intention to
change lanes, some asshole will speed up to fill the gap preventing you from
changing lanes. Life in the city.

D Walford
25-04-2005, 04:56 PM
kevcat wrote:
>

> why don't they indicate first, give everyone around them a clue as to
> what their intentions are, then start looking for the opportunity to
> make the move
>
Excellent question, wish I knew the answer.
Could be they think that if they indicate some dickhead will
deliberately not let them in, IMO this is poor driving as I'm more
likely to get pissed of with someone who cuts in front of me but will
99% of the time let someone in who has indicated and waited for a gap.

> so as you would expect, a bit of a cold trip home as she was insulted
> that I dare comment on her driving

Your a braver man than I Kev:-)



Daryl

feral
25-04-2005, 04:56 PM
D Walford wrote:
> kevcat wrote:
>
>
>>why don't they indicate first, give everyone around them a clue as to
>>what their intentions are, then start looking for the opportunity to
>>make the move
>>
>
> Excellent question, wish I knew the answer.
> Could be they think that if they indicate some dickhead will
> deliberately not let them in, IMO this is poor driving as I'm more
> likely to get pissed of with someone who cuts in front of me but will
> 99% of the time let someone in who has indicated and waited for a gap.
>
>
>>so as you would expect, a bit of a cold trip home as she was insulted
>>that I dare comment on her driving
>
>
> Your a braver man than I Kev:-)

I'm not sure you've used the right word Daz. ;-)

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Take care,
Feral

Toby Ponsenby
25-04-2005, 04:56 PM
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:33:46 +1000, D Walford wrote:

> kevcat wrote:
>>
>
>> why don't they indicate first, give everyone around them a clue as to
>> what their intentions are, then start looking for the opportunity to
>> make the move
>>
> Excellent question, wish I knew the answer.
> Could be they think that if they indicate some dickhead will
> deliberately not let them in, IMO this is poor driving as I'm more
> likely to get pissed of with someone who cuts in front of me but will
> 99% of the time let someone in who has indicated and waited for a gap.
>
>> so as you would expect, a bit of a cold trip home as she was insulted
>> that I dare comment on her driving
>
> Your a braver man than I Kev:-)
>
>
>
> Daryl

Well, he did say he was pissed;-)

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Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

D Walford
25-04-2005, 04:56 PM
Toby Ponsenby wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:33:46 +1000, D Walford wrote:
>
> > kevcat wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> why don't they indicate first, give everyone around them a clue as to
> >> what their intentions are, then start looking for the opportunity to
> >> make the move
> >>
> > Excellent question, wish I knew the answer.
> > Could be they think that if they indicate some dickhead will
> > deliberately not let them in, IMO this is poor driving as I'm more
> > likely to get pissed of with someone who cuts in front of me but will
> > 99% of the time let someone in who has indicated and waited for a gap.
> >
> >> so as you would expect, a bit of a cold trip home as she was insulted
> >> that I dare comment on her driving
> >
> > Your a braver man than I Kev:-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Daryl
>
> Well, he did say he was pissed;-)
>

That's at least some sort of excuse, I gave up on attempting to correct
my wifes many driving error's some time ago, its just not worth the pain
and suffering:-)



Daryl

D Walford
25-04-2005, 04:56 PM
feral wrote:
>
> D Walford wrote:
> > kevcat wrote:
> >
> >
> >>why don't they indicate first, give everyone around them a clue as to
> >>what their intentions are, then start looking for the opportunity to
> >>make the move
> >>
> >
> > Excellent question, wish I knew the answer.
> > Could be they think that if they indicate some dickhead will
> > deliberately not let them in, IMO this is poor driving as I'm more
> > likely to get pissed of with someone who cuts in front of me but will
> > 99% of the time let someone in who has indicated and waited for a gap.
> >
> >
> >>so as you would expect, a bit of a cold trip home as she was insulted
> >>that I dare comment on her driving
> >
> >
> > Your a braver man than I Kev:-)
>
> I'm not sure you've used the right word Daz. ;-)
>

What word did you have in mind, insane?



Daryl

feral
25-04-2005, 04:56 PM
D Walford wrote:

> What word did you have in mind, insane?

Fits. :-)))))))))))

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Take care,
Feral

RodP
25-04-2005, 04:58 PM
In article <425BD88C.E5395C20@dodo.com.au>,
kevcat says...

> but even worse
> when she had to change lanes she waits until there is a gap THEN hits
> the indicator and make the change, meanwhile everyone around here is
> just guessing at what she intends doing
>
> This I hate so much, you see it all the time, people wanting to change
> lanes, they brake and look and generally cause some chaos until they see
> their chance then indicate
>
> who is teaching these people this

Never driven in Sydney then? :P

You indicate and occassionally someone may let you in, more often people
will deliberately block you from changing lanes. Putting an indicator on
to show your intention quite often just warns other road users that
'someone is trying to get into *your spot*'!! on Sydney roads.

I tend to do it, if what you mean by the above is... waiting for a gap
large enough to safely change lanes, stick the indicator on, then change
lanes. This is how I change lanes about 90% of the time. No-one needs
to brake, and had I not bothered to use an indicator to change lanes,
there still would have been no need for anyone to brake.

Cheers,
Rod.

athol
25-04-2005, 04:58 PM
RodP <rodp@hotmail.com.nothere> wrote:

> You indicate and occassionally someone may let you in, more often people
> will deliberately block you from changing lanes. Putting an indicator on
> to show your intention quite often just warns other road users that
> 'someone is trying to get into *your spot*'!! on Sydney roads.

You're not driving aggressively enough, then. :-)

If you drive aggressively enough, you can indicate and change lanes
successfully about 9 times in 10 before the car behind in the other
lane has a chance to close the gap up... Of course, once you get
out of Shitney, the attitude returns to normal.

There is also a freeway driving technique specifically to target the
plebs from Shitney (on F3 and Hume). Firstly, you _have_ to be
doing around 124 on a 110 freeway to establish you as a maniac in
the minds of these plebs who'll cruise at 95 in the right lane...
Next trick is one that I found on rec.autos.driving a few years ago.
Instead of doing the "aggressive" flash high beams at a right lane
hog, you "accidently" leave the right blinker on and place yourself
slightly more to the right in the lane than them so that they are
consistently seeing that indicator in their rear-view mirror...

Of course, when the left lane of 3 is vacant, you simply cruise
through at 124 and see how many of them suddenly decide that maybe
they should be in that lane. :-)

> I tend to do it, if what you mean by the above is... waiting for a gap
> large enough to safely change lanes, stick the indicator on, then change
> lanes. This is how I change lanes about 90% of the time. No-one needs
> to brake, and had I not bothered to use an indicator to change lanes,
> there still would have been no need for anyone to brake.

90% of the time?!?

You should *always* be moving into an existing gap. You can't
expect to simply put the blinker on and move over against another
vehicle and succeed?!? Now I see why you have so much trouble
getting into the other lane using blinkers - you're trying to get
into a space that doesn't exist. You need to plan ahead a bit
further and make the lane change when there is a gap instead of
waiting until it is too late and trying to barge FFS!

I drive through Shitney fairly often and really don't have a problem
with the traffic. Wouldn't want to live there, though! BLECH.

I still can't figure out how the M7 (WSO) is supposed to take 1 hour
off the time from F3 to Hume when it takes 40 mins to 1 hour now...

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The state of Australia's infrastructure is a national disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

kevcat
25-04-2005, 05:00 PM
Bob Saccamano wrote:
>
> "kevcat" <kevcat@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:425BD88C.E5395C20@dodo.com.au...
> >> when she had to change lanes she waits until there is a gap THEN hits
> > the indicator and make the change, meanwhile everyone around here is
> > just guessing at what she intends doing
> >
> Probably bred in peak hour traffic. Here, if you indicate your intention to
> change lanes, some asshole will speed up to fill the gap preventing you from
> changing lanes. Life in the city.


no it's the opposite
never lived in the city and only ventures there on rare occasions

it's not just that she waits until there is a spot, she also almost
stops in the lane she is already in thus making it even harder to make
the lane chane as she is now moving slower than the traffic in the lane
she wants to get into


I'll have to re teach her how to drive, some drivng schools really leave
a lot to be desired, although she did learn to drive 20 years ago, and
even has a manual licence, but can't actually drive a manual

I'm too scared to teach here since the last time I tried that

Kev.....pass me the bundy

ant
25-04-2005, 06:24 PM
athol wrote:

> If you drive aggressively enough, you can indicate and change lanes
> successfully about 9 times in 10 before the car behind in the other
> lane has a chance to close the gap up... Of course, once you get
> out of Shitney, the attitude returns to normal.

Until you hit canberra. Closing the gap is an art-form there. I don't find
sydney too bad, although I have noticed a nastier attitude in the past year
or so.

ant

athol
25-04-2005, 06:24 PM
ant <ant_kNOT@geocities.com> wrote:
> athol wrote:

>> If you drive aggressively enough, you can indicate and change lanes
>> successfully about 9 times in 10 before the car behind in the other
>> lane has a chance to close the gap up... Of course, once you get
>> out of Shitney, the attitude returns to normal.

> Until you hit canberra. Closing the gap is an art-form there. I don't find
> sydney too bad, although I have noticed a nastier attitude in the past year
> or so.

Canberra has never been a problem for me. I watch what the traffic is
up to around me and pre-empt gap closure by jumping into the gap before
they get around to it.

If they try to play nasty, I've always found that I can out-bastard most
canberra drivers without having to make much effort. :-)

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I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

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