Magnas have bigger nuts

[The Raven]

OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
drain plug in the sump?

The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.

Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.

--
The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
** Now I will bring chaos to the world!

[Patrick Young]

The Raven wrote:

> OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
> drain plug in the sump?

URK!

> The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
> So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.

14mm is appropriate IMHO.

> Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
> to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.

The DPFH (Drain Plug From Hell) is the diecast one on a Yammy TT250 and
prolly a number of other bikes. Reminds me, gotta get friend to spin up
a proper one on lathe.

[OzOne]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:57:51 +1000, "The Raven"
<swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:

>OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
>drain plug in the sump?
>
>The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
>So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>
>Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
>to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.

Some would say that if you don't have the right tool, you shouldn't do
the job.

BTW, just how expensive is a 24mm socket in your neck of the woods....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:38:13 +1000, OzOne wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:57:51 +1000, "The Raven"
> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>
>>OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
>>drain plug in the sump?
>>
>>The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
>>So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>>
>>Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
>>to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>
> Some would say that if you don't have the right tool, you shouldn't do
> the job.
>
> BTW, just how expensive is a 24mm socket in your neck of the woods....
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Let me guess.
A 1" ring or flattie won't fit?
Amazing stuff these manufacturers get up to.
INDEED.
On one of the cars here, you need a 3/8" square drive, a 1/2 Square
drive, a 14MM socket and a 23MM socket (no, 15/16 won't cut it) for
the various drains for oil.
WTF is that all about?
I guess the place from which orders relating to standards in design
aren't populated with people who actually never did get to change oil,
don't change oil and never will change oil.

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Blackbird]

"The Raven" <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:426a1c29$0$4653$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
> drain plug in the sump?
>
> The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
> So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>
> Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
> to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>
> --
> The Raven
> http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
> ** Now I will bring chaos to the world!
>
>

Any magna I see always has a big tool in it.

[OzOne]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:54:29 +1000, Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net>
scribbled thusly:
>
>Let me guess.
>A 1" ring or flattie won't fit?
>Amazing stuff these manufacturers get up to.
>INDEED.
>On one of the cars here, you need a 3/8" square drive, a 1/2 Square
>drive, a 14MM socket and a 23MM socket (no, 15/16 won't cut it) for
>the various drains for oil.
>WTF is that all about?

It's called METRIC!

>I guess the place from which orders relating to standards in design
>aren't populated with people who actually never did get to change oil,
>don't change oil and never will change oil.

You'd be happy to see half the nuts/bolt metric and the rest a mix of
everything else?

Didn't Holden pull that with the VR?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[OzOne]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:54:59 +1000, "Blackbird"
<uglycars@mitsushiti.com> scribbled thusly:
>
>Any magna I see always has a big tool in it.
>
Nah, that's an SS Commodore.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:10:36 +1000, OzOne wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:54:29 +1000, Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net>
> scribbled thusly:
>>
>>Let me guess.
>>A 1" ring or flattie won't fit?
>>Amazing stuff these manufacturers get up to.
>>INDEED.
>>On one of the cars here, you need a 3/8" square drive, a 1/2 Square
>>drive, a 14MM socket and a 23MM socket (no, 15/16 won't cut it) for
>>the various drains for oil.
>>WTF is that all about?
>
> It's called METRIC!
>
>>I guess the place from which orders relating to standards in design
>>aren't populated with people who actually never did get to change oil,
>>don't change oil and never will change oil.
>
> You'd be happy to see half the nuts/bolt metric and the rest a mix of
> everything else?
>
> Didn't Holden pull that with the VR?
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

What the fuck is metric about a 1/2 and 2/8 drives?
Oh, I get it, they're really metric sizes in disguise:-0

But that wasn't what I was on about.
The idea is that anyone intending to drain oil should be able to
approach the underside of a car needing only ONE non adjustable
spanner.
What's so hard for the manufacturers what can't manage to standardize
on that?????????
Even their own dealers have to be getting the shits with the
stupidities.
For exapple I remember having to buy a drain bung for one a Pulsar
Gearbox.
Only one other Nissan of all they'd sold in Aus and elsewhere the
parts jockey had information for used the same part anywhere on the
car, and that was for an engine oil drain.
Amazing.

I mean, they manage to fit wheel rims to vehicles that are virtually
the same across 'makes' and even 'models' so why the stupidities with
oil drain access?


BTW, I can only recall one incident where an amateur mechanic drained
a gearbox and over-filled an engine:-)

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[The Raven]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:iqck619rtp917pcjt70e34f46r2t47prk6@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:57:51 +1000, "The Raven"
> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>
>>OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
>>drain plug in the sump?
>>
>>The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
>>So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>>
>>Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
>>to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>
> Some would say that if you don't have the right tool, you shouldn't do
> the job.

True, but why design something outside of normal conventions? Just to be
difficult?

>
> BTW, just how expensive is a 24mm socket in your neck of the woods....

Don't know, I already have a full set of sockets.

Still doesn't explain why Mitsubishi have to buck convention and design
something unusual just for the sake of it.


--
The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
** Now I will bring chaos to the world!

[The Raven]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1ivq20pwjphnk.mgk8a3ahrjba$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:38:13 +1000, OzOne wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:57:51 +1000, "The Raven"
>> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>>
>>>OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
>>>drain plug in the sump?
>>>
>>>The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool
>>>kit.
>>>So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>>>
>>>Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was
>>>going
>>>to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>>
>> Some would say that if you don't have the right tool, you shouldn't do
>> the job.
>>
>> BTW, just how expensive is a 24mm socket in your neck of the woods....
>>
>>
>> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>>
>> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
>
> Let me guess.
> A 1" ring or flattie won't fit?

Don't use imperial tools unless I have to. In any case 24.5mm would have
slipped off, given the looseness of 25mm.

> Amazing stuff these manufacturers get up to.
> INDEED.

Agreed.

> On one of the cars here, you need a 3/8" square drive, a 1/2 Square
> drive, a 14MM socket and a 23MM socket (no, 15/16 won't cut it) for
> the various drains for oil.

Strange they need such massive heads for sump plugs. It only encourages the
overtightening they are providing a larger head for to bypass.

> WTF is that all about?
> I guess the place from which orders relating to standards in design
> aren't populated with people who actually never did get to change oil,
> don't change oil and never will change oil.

Damn design engineers, little understanding of the real world. How about
standardising sump plug using spark plug socket sizes which even the most
impoverished home mechanic will have (sockets also being less likely to
mangle the nut)....


--
The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
** Now I will bring chaos to the world!

[The Raven]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:oae6qlr6qyim.1hp3r5bh6rhvg$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:10:36 +1000, OzOne wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:54:29 +1000, Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net>
>> scribbled thusly:
>>>
>>>Let me guess.
>>>A 1" ring or flattie won't fit?
>>>Amazing stuff these manufacturers get up to.
>>>INDEED.
>>>On one of the cars here, you need a 3/8" square drive, a 1/2 Square
>>>drive, a 14MM socket and a 23MM socket (no, 15/16 won't cut it) for
>>>the various drains for oil.
>>>WTF is that all about?
>>
>> It's called METRIC!
>>
>>>I guess the place from which orders relating to standards in design
>>>aren't populated with people who actually never did get to change oil,
>>>don't change oil and never will change oil.
>>
>> You'd be happy to see half the nuts/bolt metric and the rest a mix of
>> everything else?
>>
>> Didn't Holden pull that with the VR?
>>
>>
>> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>>
>> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
>
> What the fuck is metric about a 1/2 and 2/8 drives?
> Oh, I get it, they're really metric sizes in disguise:-0

It's a standard sizing for the tools themselves and has little impact on the
metric sockets fitted.

>
> But that wasn't what I was on about.
> The idea is that anyone intending to drain oil should be able to
> approach the underside of a car needing only ONE non adjustable
> spanner.

Agreed, less adjustable spanners and more common sizing results in less
mangled nuts/bolts/knuckles.

> What's so hard for the manufacturers what can't manage to standardize
> on that?????????

Because their design engineers (who haven't touched a tool since year one of
their qualification) think it's clever to pick something non-standard just
to show off some perceived knowledge.

> Even their own dealers have to be getting the shits with the
> stupidities.
> For exapple I remember having to buy a drain bung for one a Pulsar
> Gearbox.

Didn't that simply use a half inch square drive? Guess it depends which year
you're talking about.

> Only one other Nissan of all they'd sold in Aus and elsewhere the
> parts jockey had information for used the same part anywhere on the
> car, and that was for an engine oil drain.
> Amazing.
>
> I mean, they manage to fit wheel rims to vehicles that are virtually
> the same across 'makes' and even 'models' so why the stupidities with
> oil drain access?

Despite my Magna criticism I was surprised to note the auto transmission had
a spin on oil filter....

> BTW, I can only recall one incident where an amateur mechanic drained
> a gearbox and over-filled an engine:-)

Let me tell you a story about soft taper fitted plugs in manual
transmissions........




--
The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
** Now I will bring chaos to the world!

[OzOne]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:34:59 +1000, Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net>
scribbled thusly:

>On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:10:36 +1000, OzOne wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:54:29 +1000, Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net>
>> scribbled thusly:
>>>
>>>Let me guess.
>>>A 1" ring or flattie won't fit?
>>>Amazing stuff these manufacturers get up to.
>>>INDEED.
>>>On one of the cars here, you need a 3/8" square drive, a 1/2 Square
>>>drive, a 14MM socket and a 23MM socket (no, 15/16 won't cut it) for
>>>the various drains for oil.
>>>WTF is that all about?
>>
>> It's called METRIC!
>>
>>>I guess the place from which orders relating to standards in design
>>>aren't populated with people who actually never did get to change oil,
>>>don't change oil and never will change oil.
>>
>> You'd be happy to see half the nuts/bolt metric and the rest a mix of
>> everything else?
>>
>> Didn't Holden pull that with the VR?
>>
>>
>> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>>
>> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
>
>What the fuck is metric about a 1/2 and 2/8 drives?
>Oh, I get it, they're really metric sizes in disguise:-0

Ahhh so now you want to buy a whole set of tools instead of one
socket!?
>
>But that wasn't what I was on about.
>The idea is that anyone intending to drain oil should be able to
>approach the underside of a car needing only ONE non adjustable
>spanner.
>What's so hard for the manufacturers what can't manage to standardize
>on that?????????
>Even their own dealers have to be getting the shits with the
>stupidities.
>For exapple I remember having to buy a drain bung for one a Pulsar
>Gearbox.
>Only one other Nissan of all they'd sold in Aus and elsewhere the
>parts jockey had information for used the same part anywhere on the
>car, and that was for an engine oil drain.
>Amazing.
>
>I mean, they manage to fit wheel rims to vehicles that are virtually
>the same across 'makes' and even 'models' so why the stupidities with
>oil drain access?
>
>
>BTW, I can only recall one incident where an amateur mechanic drained
>a gearbox and over-filled an engine:-)



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[OzOne]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:55:12 +1000, "The Raven"
<swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:

><OzOne> wrote in message news:iqck619rtp917pcjt70e34f46r2t47prk6@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:57:51 +1000, "The Raven"
>> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>>
>>>OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
>>>drain plug in the sump?
>>>
>>>The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
>>>So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>>>
>>>Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
>>>to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>>
>> Some would say that if you don't have the right tool, you shouldn't do
>> the job.
>
>True, but why design something outside of normal conventions? Just to be
>difficult?

Huh?
Seems to me there's no "normal convention" on drain plugs, square, all
sizes, alen sockets etc etc.
>
>>
>> BTW, just how expensive is a 24mm socket in your neck of the woods....
>
>Don't know, I already have a full set of sockets.
>
>Still doesn't explain why Mitsubishi have to buck convention and design
>something unusual just for the sake of it.

Still doesn't explain what is conventional about drain plugs.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[The Interceptor]

3/4" on the Ford Cleveland and Windsor motors if I remember correctly.
Quite appropriate. 24 mm is a bit extreme though.

Brett

The Raven <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:426a1c29$0$4653$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
> drain plug in the sump?
>
> The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
> So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>
> Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
> to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>
> --
> The Raven
> http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
> ** Now I will bring chaos to the world!
>
>

[GMSSVS]

OzOne wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:55:12 +1000, "The Raven"
> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>
>
>><OzOne> wrote in message news:iqck619rtp917pcjt70e34f46r2t47prk6@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:57:51 +1000, "The Raven"
>>><swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>>>
>>>
>>>>OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
>>>>drain plug in the sump?
>>>>
>>>>The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
>>>>So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>>>>
>>>>Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
>>>>to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>>>
>>>Some would say that if you don't have the right tool, you shouldn't do
>>>the job.
>>
>>True, but why design something outside of normal conventions? Just to be
>>difficult?
>
>
> Huh?
> Seems to me there's no "normal convention" on drain plugs, square, all
> sizes, alen sockets etc etc.
>
>>>BTW, just how expensive is a 24mm socket in your neck of the woods....
>>
>>Don't know, I already have a full set of sockets.
>>
>>Still doesn't explain why Mitsubishi have to buck convention and design
>>something unusual just for the sake of it.
>
>
> Still doesn't explain what is conventional about drain plugs.
>
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
Seriously Ozone, are you really that much of a fuckwit to not understand
that majority of people, dont own a 24mm socket/spanner. Majority with a
standard metric socket set will own a 19mm (or close enough to 3/4 in
old speak)spanner.
Thing is, Mitsubullshiti are a piece of junk rattling company who have
no fuckin idea...

HTH

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:42:17 +1000, OzOne wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:55:12 +1000, "The Raven"
> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>
>><OzOne> wrote in message news:iqck619rtp917pcjt70e34f46r2t47prk6@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:57:51 +1000, "The Raven"
>>> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>>>
>>>>OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
>>>>drain plug in the sump?
>>>>
>>>>The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
>>>>So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>>>>
>>>>Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
>>>>to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>>>
>>> Some would say that if you don't have the right tool, you shouldn't do
>>> the job.
>>
>>True, but why design something outside of normal conventions? Just to be
>>difficult?
>
> Huh?
> Seems to me there's no "normal convention" on drain plugs, square, all
> sizes, alen sockets etc etc.
>>
>>>
>>> BTW, just how expensive is a 24mm socket in your neck of the woods....
>>
>>Don't know, I already have a full set of sockets.
>>
>>Still doesn't explain why Mitsubishi have to buck convention and design
>>something unusual just for the sake of it.
>
> Still doesn't explain what is conventional about drain plugs.
>
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Hint.
No matter what the application, they need to be removed and replaced
in order to change whatever it is they drain.
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[OzOne]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:19:57 GMT, GMSSVS <ummNo@home.com> scribbled
thusly:


>Seriously Ozone, are you really that much of a fuckwit to not understand
>that majority of people, dont own a 24mm socket/spanner. Majority with a
>standard metric socket set will own a 19mm (or close enough to 3/4 in
>old speak)spanner.

Then buy one...they cost a few bucks.

>Thing is, Mitsubullshiti are a piece of junk rattling company who have
>no fuckin idea...

Really?
I had always though they produced a quality product, far better
engineered and built than anything else made locally (speaking from
experience)
>
>HTH



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[OzOne]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:37:10 +1000, Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net>
scribbled thusly:

>
>Hint.
>No matter what the application, they need to be removed and replaced
>in order to change whatever it is they drain.

Yep, and Mitsu made it very easy by 'O' ringing them so they seal
without overtightening.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Serialpest]

On 24/4/05 12:19 AM, in article
hQsae.21395$5F3.5858@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "GMSSVS" <ummNo@home.com>
wrote:

> OzOne wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:55:12 +1000, "The Raven"
>> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>>
>>
>>> <OzOne> wrote in message news:iqck619rtp917pcjt70e34f46r2t47prk6@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:57:51 +1000, "The Raven"
>>>> <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> scribbled thusly:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
>>>>> drain plug in the sump?
>>>>>
>>>>> The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
>>>>> So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
>>>>> to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>>>>
>>>> Some would say that if you don't have the right tool, you shouldn't do
>>>> the job.
>>>
>>> True, but why design something outside of normal conventions? Just to be
>>> difficult?
>>
>>
>> Huh?
>> Seems to me there's no "normal convention" on drain plugs, square, all
>> sizes, alen sockets etc etc.
>>
>>>> BTW, just how expensive is a 24mm socket in your neck of the woods....
>>>
>>> Don't know, I already have a full set of sockets.
>>>
>>> Still doesn't explain why Mitsubishi have to buck convention and design
>>> something unusual just for the sake of it.
>>
>>
>> Still doesn't explain what is conventional about drain plugs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>>
>> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
> Seriously Ozone, are you really that much of a fuckwit to not understand
> that majority of people, dont own a 24mm socket/spanner. Majority with a
> standard metric socket set will own a 19mm (or close enough to 3/4 in
> old speak)spanner.
> Thing is, Mitsubullshiti are a piece of junk rattling company who have
> no fuckin idea...
>
> HTH

Maybe then they can just hop on down to supercheap auto and buy one to go
with the rest of their crummy Tiawanese tools. Not all of us own cheep shit
like you.

[Clockmeister]

"The Raven" <swilson150@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:426a1c29$0$4653$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> OK, who was the moron that decided Magna V6's need a 24mm socket for the
> drain plug in the sump?
>
> The average Joe rarely has a socket that size in their el cheapo tool kit.
> So, why not do what most manufacturers do and use 17mm or thereabouts.
>
> Luckily I had a decent tool kit and could help out the owner who was going
> to tackle it with a cruddy old shifter.
>

What a crybaby. $10 buys you the socket from Repco.