OILS

[TheTaipan]

Interested in your opinions regarding oils.

Most would consider synthetic to be better, but I'm sure some would have
good arguments for the less refined dino oils. I'm interested in hearing
good arguments for the purpose of the Territory's first service - should I
stick with the Ford stuff? I am leaning toward providing my own oil, to me
cost is not an issue, but maximising performance, economy and most of all
longevity of the engine is a premium.

Thanks for your opinions...

Simon.

[Phuoc Nghuy]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:53:00 +1000, TheTaipan wrote:

> Interested in your opinions regarding oils.
>
> Most would consider synthetic to be better, but I'm sure some would have
> good arguments for the less refined dino oils. I'm interested in
> hearing good arguments for the purpose of the Territory's first service
> - should I stick with the Ford stuff? I am leaning toward providing my
> own oil, to me cost is not an issue, but maximising performance, economy
> and most of all longevity of the engine is a premium.
>
> Thanks for your opinions...
>
> Simon.

You probably won't keep that ridiculous vehicle for more than a few
years, so why waste money on synthetic? As long as you change the oil
according to the manufacturer's schedule (preferably more frequently) your
motor is going to be just fine regardless of whether you used dino or
synth.

Phuoc

[Jason James]

"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
news:426c5b92$0$10306$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> Interested in your opinions regarding oils.
>
> Most would consider synthetic to be better, but I'm sure some would have
> good arguments for the less refined dino oils. I'm interested in hearing
> good arguments for the purpose of the Territory's first service - should I
> stick with the Ford stuff? I am leaning toward providing my own oil, to
me
> cost is not an issue, but maximising performance, economy and most of all
> longevity of the engine is a premium.
>
> Thanks for your opinions...
>
> Simon.

I wouldn't use synth,..too expensive. Any big-name SL API oil will do.

Jason

[Noddy]

"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for your opinions...

Unless you're planning on keeping the vehicle for the rest of it's life,
which I doubt, it's really not going to make much difference to you.

Paying big money to top quality service lubricants & parts will keep the
vehicle in excellent condition, but the benefits will be felt by the next
owner years down the track, not you.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[atec]

TheTaipan wrote:
> Interested in your opinions regarding oils.
>
> Most would consider synthetic to be better, but I'm sure some would have
> good arguments for the less refined dino oils. I'm interested in hearing
> good arguments for the purpose of the Territory's first service - should I
> stick with the Ford stuff? I am leaning toward providing my own oil, to me
> cost is not an issue, but maximising performance, economy and most of all
> longevity of the engine is a premium.
>
> Thanks for your opinions...
>
> Simon.
>
>
10w30 Lubrimaxx

[D Walford]

TheTaipan wrote:
>
> Interested in your opinions regarding oils.
>
> Most would consider synthetic to be better, but I'm sure some would have
> good arguments for the less refined dino oils. I'm interested in hearing
> good arguments for the purpose of the Territory's first service - should I
> stick with the Ford stuff? I am leaning toward providing my own oil, to me
> cost is not an issue, but maximising performance, economy and most of all
> longevity of the engine is a premium.
>
> Thanks for your opinions...
>

I've never been a fan of synthetic oils mainly because IMO they are poor
value for money.
I have yet to see any evidence that they improve engine life.
I would use whatever Ford recommends and change at the recommended
intervals.
Synthetics are supposed to be good for extended change intervals but
unless you intend to significantly extend your oil change intervals I
wouldn't bother.



Daryl

[OzOne]

You gonna race it or just drive it?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[RK276]

What about a synthetic change every 5k ? And I plan on keeping the car and
have done it from new..



"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:426CB510.A39317F3@iprimus.com.au...
> TheTaipan wrote:
> >
> > Interested in your opinions regarding oils.
> >
> > Most would consider synthetic to be better, but I'm sure some would have
> > good arguments for the less refined dino oils. I'm interested in
hearing
> > good arguments for the purpose of the Territory's first service - should
I
> > stick with the Ford stuff? I am leaning toward providing my own oil, to
me
> > cost is not an issue, but maximising performance, economy and most of
all
> > longevity of the engine is a premium.
> >
> > Thanks for your opinions...
> >
>
> I've never been a fan of synthetic oils mainly because IMO they are poor
> value for money.
> I have yet to see any evidence that they improve engine life.
> I would use whatever Ford recommends and change at the recommended
> intervals.
> Synthetics are supposed to be good for extended change intervals but
> unless you intend to significantly extend your oil change intervals I
> wouldn't bother.
>
>
>
> Daryl

[TheTaipan]

Certainly are not going to be racing, but there are a lot of motorists out
there who drive their cars more gently than me, plus living so close to
where I work, I have concerns about a lot of km's being done while the
engine is cold/cool.

Also the Ford suggested product I believe is a 10W-30 - I feel that in Qld -
particularly our summers get too hot for this type of oil...

I believe even a number of service departments use a 15W-40 in hotter
areas - but that is hearsay, not confirmed by any dealership itself.


<OzOne> wrote in message news:b8qp61hbg5jqmpb12tvap3uu69pm4ebf9h@4ax.com...
>
> You gonna race it or just drive it?
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[John_H]

TheTaipan wrote:
>
>Also the Ford suggested product I believe is a 10W-30 - I feel that in Qld -
>particularly our summers get too hot for this type of oil...

What've hot summers got to do with it?

Once the engine's at running temperature (which is something
considerably above 100° C in the oil department) ambient temperature
is irrelevant. Most modern engine oils are spec'd to 150° C.

Working viscosity (SAE 30 _range_ in this instance) is a design
requirement rather than being temperature related. The lubricating
properties of oils don't change significantly with viscosity whereas
flow rates do. The 10W part of the specification also matters (for
minimum temperatures and cold starts).

>
>I believe even a number of service departments use a 15W-40 in hotter
>areas - but that is hearsay, not confirmed by any dealership itself.

No doubt some service departments are run by dickheads.

FWIW the notion of different viscosity grades for different seasons
harks back to the days of Pennsylvanian crude and should've been well
and truly laid to rest with the introduction of polymer VI improvers
in the 1950's.

Some manufacturers continued to recommend heavier grades for higher
temperatures to pander to the ancient beliefs held by their
customers... made possible by their own sloppy manufacturing
tolerances.

Run heavier than the manufacturer's specificies at your peril!

--
John H

[FuTAnT]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:426CB510.A39317F3@iprimus.com.au...
> TheTaipan wrote:
>>
>> Interested in your opinions regarding oils.
>>
>> Most would consider synthetic to be better, but I'm sure some would have
>> good arguments for the less refined dino oils. I'm interested in hearing
>> good arguments for the purpose of the Territory's first service - should
>> I
>> stick with the Ford stuff? I am leaning toward providing my own oil, to
>> me
>> cost is not an issue, but maximising performance, economy and most of all
>> longevity of the engine is a premium.
>>
>> Thanks for your opinions...
>>
>
> I've never been a fan of synthetic oils mainly because IMO they are poor
> value for money.
> I have yet to see any evidence that they improve engine life.
> I would use whatever Ford recommends and change at the recommended
> intervals.
> Synthetics are supposed to be good for extended change intervals but
> unless you intend to significantly extend your oil change intervals I
> wouldn't bother.
>
>
>
> Daryl

How are they poor value for money? Mobil 1 isn't that much more expensive
than your synthetic fortified oils, which everyone SHOULD be using. No
wonder it sucks having to buy 2nd hand, 'cause too many jack scrooges skimp
out on regular maintenance and spending money where it's due.

If you like your car/bike whatever, put some decent oil in it and notice the
benefits. I can notice the difference in good oil straight away.

Cam

[ant]

FuTAnT wrote:

> If you like your car/bike whatever, put some decent oil in it and
> notice the benefits. I can notice the difference in good oil straight
> away.

Is Valvoline 'SG' good oil? i got some for the Vitara... it smells pretty
awful if you spill it on the engine!

Hard to find the right oil, it's an older carburetted engine, had to hunt
the shelves in the Oil Shop to find some with the right numbers and letters
on it.

ant

[Noddy]

"FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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> How are they poor value for money? Mobil 1 isn't that much more expensive
> than your synthetic fortified oils, which everyone SHOULD be using. No
> wonder it sucks having to buy 2nd hand, 'cause too many jack scrooges
> skimp out on regular maintenance and spending money where it's due.

Mobil 1 is around twice the price of a very good semi synthetic, or mineral
oil.

> If you like your car/bike whatever, put some decent oil in it and notice
> the benefits. I can notice the difference in good oil straight away.

Like what? :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[John_H]

ant wrote:
>
>Is Valvoline 'SG' good oil? i got some for the Vitara... it smells pretty
>awful if you spill it on the engine!

It's also an obsolete spec. Generally, but not always, more recent
API designations supercede older ones -- ie 'SJ' (current) will almost
certainly surpass 'SG' for most, if not all, applications.

>
>Hard to find the right oil, it's an older carburetted engine, had to hunt
>the shelves in the Oil Shop to find some with the right numbers and letters
>on it.

Such is the arcane system used to classify oils. If you're not fully
familiar with what the letters and numbers mean (and few are) the best
option is usually whatever the current oil company lube guides
recommend for your particular vehicle. You'll probably find three
recommendations... straight mineral, synthetic fortified and straight
synthetic. Straight mineral will be the cheapest (usually by far).

Most oil companies will have a lube guide on their website. Most
supermarkets that sell oil also have them available for reference.
Vitara's usually come under a commercial vehicle listing.

--
John H

[D Walford]

RK276 wrote:
>
> What about a synthetic change every 5k ? And I plan on keeping the car and
> have done it from new..
>

I could think of a lot better things to do with my money than waste it
by using synthetic oil and changing it every 5000klms.
It won't harm your engine but it may harm your bank balance.
I know owners of heavy trucks that use synthetic and a bypass filter and
only change their oil approx every 100,000klms, the oil is tested and
the bypass filter changed every 10,000klms and the oil is only changed
when the testing indicates that it needs changing.
Unless the cars manufacturer recommends synthetic I wouldn't use it.


Daryl

[D Walford]

FuTAnT wrote:
>
> "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:426CB510.A39317F3@iprimus.com.au...
> > TheTaipan wrote:
> >>
> >> Interested in your opinions regarding oils.
> >>
> >> Most would consider synthetic to be better, but I'm sure some would have
> >> good arguments for the less refined dino oils. I'm interested in hearing
> >> good arguments for the purpose of the Territory's first service - should
> >> I
> >> stick with the Ford stuff? I am leaning toward providing my own oil, to
> >> me
> >> cost is not an issue, but maximising performance, economy and most of all
> >> longevity of the engine is a premium.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your opinions...
> >>
> >
> > I've never been a fan of synthetic oils mainly because IMO they are poor
> > value for money.
> > I have yet to see any evidence that they improve engine life.
> > I would use whatever Ford recommends and change at the recommended
> > intervals.
> > Synthetics are supposed to be good for extended change intervals but
> > unless you intend to significantly extend your oil change intervals I
> > wouldn't bother.
> >
> >
> >
> > Daryl
>
> How are they poor value for money? Mobil 1 isn't that much more expensive
> than your synthetic fortified oils, which everyone SHOULD be using. No
> wonder it sucks having to buy 2nd hand, 'cause too many jack scrooges skimp
> out on regular maintenance and spending money where it's due.
>
> If you like your car/bike whatever, put some decent oil in it and notice the
> benefits. I can notice the difference in good oil straight away.
>

What are the "benefits"?
Why should everyone be using synthetic fortified oils?



Daryl

[Kieron]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:06:59 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
>news:426c5b92$0$10306$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>
>> Thanks for your opinions...
>
>Unless you're planning on keeping the vehicle for the rest of it's life,
>which I doubt, it's really not going to make much difference to you.
>
>Paying big money to top quality service lubricants & parts will keep the
>vehicle in excellent condition, but the benefits will be felt by the next
>owner years down the track, not you.

I 100% agree with that.

[Kieron]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:28:41 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
>news:426d8dc4$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>
>> How are they poor value for money? Mobil 1 isn't that much more expensive
>> than your synthetic fortified oils, which everyone SHOULD be using. No
>> wonder it sucks having to buy 2nd hand, 'cause too many jack scrooges
>> skimp out on regular maintenance and spending money where it's due.
>
>Mobil 1 is around twice the price of a very good semi synthetic, or mineral
>oil.

and a complete waste of money, usually purchased by Brocky fans.

>> If you like your car/bike whatever, put some decent oil in it and notice
>> the benefits. I can notice the difference in good oil straight away.
>
>Like what? :)

Taste maybe?