Re: Hypernazi hoist by its own petard!

[Ned Latham]

Seppo Renfors wrote in <4240D0FB.D033E67C@not.com.au>:

----snip----

> You are PATHETIC, Nazi boy, do you really think your "reverse racism"
> does anything more than expose your own racism?

Now *that* little item of self-abuse should be your signature, Renfors.
It suits you much better than your fatuous "philospher" claim.

----snip----

> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised

Says the fascist thug whose abuses of women would make a misogynist
cringe, and whose response to a list of the core attributes of True
Blue (see his message <3C01DEAE.DF47167@not.ollis.com.au>) was:

> * > The first is possibly the most significant cultural achievement in
> * > millennia.
> *
> * Sorry Noddy, that honour goes to Hitler,

Some philosopher.

You still haven't told us what your daddy did while he was stuck in
front of Leningrad during the war, Renfors. When are you going to
own up, Nazi?

Ned
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[Hyperoglyphe]

"Ned Latham" <ned@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
news:4242156A.B52@arthur.valhalla.oz...
> Seppo Renfors wrote in <4240D0FB.D033E67C@not.com.au>:
>
> ----snip----
>
>> You are PATHETIC, Nazi boy, do you really think your "reverse racism"
>> does anything more than expose your own racism?
>
> Now *that* little item of self-abuse should be your signature, Renfors.
> It suits you much better than your fatuous "philospher" claim.

You'd think with the number of "own goals" the foot shooter Renforz scores
with his "friendly fire", he'd start calling himself a "SEPTIC TANK!!!!!".

(That was a parody for the sarcasm impaired.)

Not surprising he is continuing to dodge facing up to his claptrap in
aus.history by using this troll trick. If he could produce proof of my
alleged racism, he'd do so.

The unoriginal plagiarist Renforz is continuing a theme established by a
"progressivist" clique of Australian Historians. For example, "reverse
racism" is used in a political attack by Clark and McIntyre in "The History
Wars". An exciting little read that includes chapters on accusations by
several Historians of lying and misrepresentation in a number of significant
recent works,

One of my favourite phrases is a quote from Cathy Clements (I recall
quoted in this work- certainly elsewhere) "There can be two truths for the
same event".

Well, I guess a total lunatic would say that 2 aborigines killing 8
aborigines at Mistake Creek in 1915 is the same as the murder and burning of
scores by settlers at Mistake Creek in the 1930's, requiring an apology by
our Governor
General for an event "carried out in [his] lifetime".

Or a similar example plagiarised by Renforz- a battle at Pinjarra where
"about 15" were killed is obviously the same as the "slaughter of up to 150
men, women and children".

The cynic would say that McIntyre borrowed from Renforz in the ratio of
noise to content in "addressing" the claims, but it may simply be that they
are
cut from the same cloth.

Dave

>
> ----snip----
>
>> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
>
> Says the fascist thug whose abuses of women would make a misogynist
> cringe, and whose response to a list of the core attributes of True
> Blue (see his message <3C01DEAE.DF47167@not.ollis.com.au>) was:
>
>> * > The first is possibly the most significant cultural achievement in
>> * > millennia.
>> *
>> * Sorry Noddy, that honour goes to Hitler,
>
> Some philosopher.
>
> You still haven't told us what your daddy did while he was stuck in
> front of Leningrad during the war, Renfors. When are you going to
> own up, Nazi?
>
> Ned
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[Seppo Renfors]

Hyperoglyphe wrote:

wrote ever more shit to support the title "Hypernazi hoist by its own
petard!"!! Now added to by the Net Nazi Noddy in admiration of the
hyperNazi, in order to spread its infamy! Proper forum restored AGAIN
- the home of the racists, where Noddy lives!
>
> "Ned Latham" <ned@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
> news:4242156A.B52@arthur.valhalla.oz...
> > Seppo Renfors wrote in <4240D0FB.D033E67C@not.com.au>:
> >
> > ----snip----
> >
> >> You are PATHETIC, Nazi boy, do you really think your "reverse racism"
> >> does anything more than expose your own racism?
> >
> > Now *that* little item of self-abuse should be your signature, Renfors.
> > It suits you much better than your fatuous "philospher" claim.
>

[snip blatant lies being repeated by the racists while full well
KNOWING they are lies, in order to prevent being used as a platform
for the RACIST propaganda by the hyperNazi]



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[Hyperoglyphe]

"King Frog" <chocky@ribbit.com> wrote in message
news:4243714A.180C@ribbit.com...
> Seppo Renfors wrote in <42425EAB.F788C9B@not.com.au>:
>
> Another rabid rant. Nothing relevant to act-b.
>
> ---snip---
>
>> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
>
> Says Seppo Renfors, the mad dog Hitler-loving Australophic anti-white
> racist who *still* hasn't told us what his dere ole dad did in front
> of Leningrad during the war.
>
> Freddo

He may have been a chef specialising in pork.

Dave

[Seppo Renfors]

Hyperoglyphe wrote:
>
> "Seppo Renfors" <Renfors@not.com.au> wrote in message
> news:42425EAB.F788C9B@not.com.au...
> >
> >
> > Hyperoglyphe wrote:
> >
> > wrote ever more shit to support the title "Hypernazi hoist by its own
> > petard!"!! Now added to by the Net Nazi Noddy in admiration of the
> > hyperNazi, in order to spread its infamy! Proper forum restored AGAIN
> > - the home of the racists, where Noddy lives!
>
> I didn't write that! That would be a forgery by Seepo standards. I wrote
> that Renforz trolled to forums I don't use to avoid facing up to his lies
> and plagiarism.

You are demonstrating that you are a terminally stupid IDIOT - try
counting the attribution markers dopey!
>
> Off topic group trolled by renforz removed from newsgroups line.

The ONLY correct forum there was has again been restored - the home
of the racists!
>
> >>
> >> "Ned Latham" <ned@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
> >> news:4242156A.B52@arthur.valhalla.oz...
> >> > Seppo Renfors wrote in <4240D0FB.D033E67C@not.com.au>:
> >> >
> >> > ----snip----
> >> >
> >> >> You are PATHETIC, Nazi boy, do you really think your "reverse racism"
> >> >> does anything more than expose your own racism?
> >> >
> >> > Now *that* little item of self-abuse should be your signature, Renfors.
> >> > It suits you much better than your fatuous "philospher" claim.
> >>
> >
> > [snip blatant lies being repeated by the racists while full well
> > KNOWING they are lies, in order to prevent being used as a platform
> > for the RACIST propaganda by the hyperNazi]
>
[snip more racist propaganda]
>
> > --
> > SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > The [...]wrong books is not educated, he is
> > [...]
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

And THAT is FORGERY by the hyperNazi! Here we see it adding to the
"charming" attributes it possesses!

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misled.
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[Hyperoglyphe]

Err, Seepo doesn't seem to realise that not addressing the topic will result
in a top post. Especially when he trolls in inappropriate groups.

Even the blindest will see his last response as a troll post. Again, no
substance.

Let me see. For starters, SEEPO never read BOOKS by Windschuttle, Mann,
Blainey, Clements, Green, Ryan or Moran. Probably not even anything by that
QLD charlatan, as well.

Knows absolutely nothing about the real world outside of the Strathalbyn
filtered Psychotic rage perpetrated upon the WORLD.

Plagiarised what: amongst other things; anonymous ABC web-posted scripts?

(That's for starters: Let us not forget the Conniston Claptrap. Everyone
with the
slightest historical knowlege would know about that one, and a Google search
would see Seepo Renforz stuffing those big feet down his massive gob- links
available. What fool would not realise the SEEPO reference in fact
contradicted his claptrap?)

Think about it, one of the examples HISTORICALLY recorded in infinite
detail, and the lunatic totally ignores the fact it was recorded by those he
now claims concealed centuries of crime. No one's "oral tradition" would be
able to hide things on that scale. The historian writing about it WARNING
against readings like "Sepponic Dementia" as clouding the issues!

Never a truer word said.

Seepo should also realise that if, for example, Blainey in 2003 can write
about what Harriet Wicken was teaching at her domestic economy class at
Sydney Technical
College in 1891, namely "...On Sunday it is roast beef and yorkshire
pudding and on Monday the beef is served cold with tomato salad..." (oh, I
forgot for a moment. Seepo reads nothing except the net and the cold sticky
offerings on his lap- Do they go cold from prolonged introspection?)Then not
even the most tight lipped person is going to be able to hide the slaughter
that would have gone on in 1934 (sic) if one was to believe the REnforz
revisionism.

For another repeated Juicy Bait. Why didn't the Right Reverend Greer make
any mention of the massacre of 8 Aborigines by anyone other than 2
Aborigines for anything other than a dispute about a woman, at Mistake Creek
in 1915?

Still backpedalling Seepo? or is it you simply don't understand what I am
talking about because your "Prime Sauce" (tm) comes from the potentially
unreliable noise of the net.

So the gentle reader who follows this from time to time could only ask:

Seepo, how about substantiating what you claim are "oral traditions" with
anything more than your own claims and trolled web links. When did you
first hear these "oral traditions" so they can be objectively considered by
anyone without the REnforz biases and hang-ups?

Where are the meat and potatoes with your yorkshire pudding?

Where is the Leningrad Long Pork?

Dave

"Seppo Renfors" <Renfors@not.com.au> wrote in message
news:424909F3.351254DA@not.com.au...
>
>
> Hyperoglyphe wrote:
>>
>> "Seppo Renfors" <Renfors@not.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:42425EAB.F788C9B@not.com.au...
>> >
>> >
>> > Hyperoglyphe wrote:
>> >
>> > wrote ever more shit to support the title "Hypernazi hoist by its own
>> > petard!"!! Now added to by the Net Nazi Noddy in admiration of the
>> > hyperNazi, in order to spread its infamy! Proper forum restored AGAIN
>> > - the home of the racists, where Noddy lives!
>>
>> I didn't write that! That would be a forgery by Seepo standards. I wrote
>> that Renforz trolled to forums I don't use to avoid facing up to his lies
>> and plagiarism.
>
> You are demonstrating that you are a terminally stupid IDIOT - try
> counting the attribution markers dopey!
>>
>> Off topic group trolled by renforz removed from newsgroups line.
>
> The ONLY correct forum there was has again been restored - the home
> of the racists!
>>
>> >>
>> >> "Ned Latham" <ned@arthur.valhalla.oz> wrote in message
>> >> news:4242156A.B52@arthur.valhalla.oz...
>> >> > Seppo Renfors wrote in <4240D0FB.D033E67C@not.com.au>:
>> >> >
>> >> > ----snip----
>> >> >
>> >> >> You are PATHETIC, Nazi boy, do you really think your "reverse
>> >> >> racism"
>> >> >> does anything more than expose your own racism?
>> >> >
>> >> > Now *that* little item of self-abuse should be your signature,
>> >> > Renfors.
>> >> > It suits you much better than your fatuous "philospher" claim.
>> >>
>> >
>> > [snip blatant lies being repeated by the racists while full well
>> > KNOWING they are lies, in order to prevent being used as a platform
>> > for the RACIST propaganda by the hyperNazi]
>>
> [snip more racist propaganda]
>>
>> > --
>> > SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> > The [...]wrong books is not educated, he is
>> > [...]
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> And THAT is FORGERY by the hyperNazi! Here we see it adding to the
> "charming" attributes it possesses!
>
> --
> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> The one who is educated from the wrong books is not educated, he is
> misled.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

[Ned Latham]

Seppo Renfors wrote in <424909F3.351254DA@not.com.au>:
> Hyperoglyphe wrote:

----snip----

> > Off topic group trolled by renforz removed from newsgroups line.
>
> The ONLY correct forum there was has again been restored - the home
> of the racists!

Wrong again, you lying idiot. The newsgroup rabid.racist.renfors hasn't
even been created yet.

----snip----

> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised

Says Seppo Renfors, the hapless, hopeless, hypocritical halfwit who
thinks that repetition will make his lies come true.

Ned
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[Ned Latham]

Seppo Renfors wrote in <42490B07.62785682@not.com.au>:

----snip----

> Of course it was Noddy the King Racist

Says the lying, hypocritical, moronic mad dog moron who can't find
a single racist statement by me and whose babble about his imaginary
"Ayan" race fills the Usenet archives.

> killfile evader,

LOL. I have four Usenet IDs, Shitferbrains. How many have you?

Oh, that's right: 70. Here they are:

Beccy@Cowards.Castle
srenfors@!nojunk!adelaide.on.net
srenfors@abc.internode.on.net
srenfors@about.adelaide.on.net
srenfors@acb.internode.on.net
srenfors@adelaide.on.net
srenfors@at.internode.on.net
srenfors@bac.internode.on.net
srenfors@bca.internode.on.net
srenfors@cba.internode.on.net
srenfors@cab.internode.on.net
srenfors@closeto.adelaide.on.net
srenfors@close.to.internode.on.net
srenfors@close.by.internode.on.net
srenfors@dbc.internode.on.net
srenfors@dcb.internode.on.net
srenfors@far.out.internode.on.net
srenfors@internode.on.net
srenfors@invalid.adelaide.on.net
srenfors@near.adelaide.on.net
srenfors@near.internode.on.net
srenfors@near.by.internode.on.net
srenfors@near.to.internode.on.net
srenfors@nojunk.internode.on.net
srenfors@!nojunk!internode.on.net
srenfors@not.adelaide.on.net
srenfors@not.internode.on.net
srenfors@over.by.internode.on.net
"Renfors"@not. ollis.com.au
"Renfors"@not.on .com.au
"Renfors"@not,on.com.au
enfors@not.ollis.com
is_borg@yahoo.com.au
"J Borg"@yahoo.com.au
Prof@invalid.invalid.com
Renfor@not.ollis.com.au
Renfors@bigpond.com
Renfors@invalid.ollis.com.au
Renfors@not.com.au
Renfors@not.loous.com.au
Renfors@not.net.au
Renfors@not.olis.com.au
Renfors@not.olles.com.au
renfors@not.olles.com.au
Renfors@not.olles.con.au
Renfors@not.olli.com.au
Renfors@not.ollie.com.au
Renfors@not.ollis.com
Renfors@not.ollis.com.au
renfors@not.ollis.com.au
Renfors@not.ollis.coma.u
Renfors@not.ollis.con.au
Renfors@not.ollis.net
Renfors@.ollis.net.au
Renfors@not.ollis.net.au
Renfors@not.on.com.au
Renfors@not.pollis.com.au
Renfors@not.pollis.net.au
Renfors@not.ollles.com.au
Renfors@not.ollos.com.au
Renfors@not.ollus.com.au
Rrenfor@not.olles.com.au
Rrenfors@not.ollis.com.au
Senfors@not.ollis.com.au
Senfors@not.ollis.net.au
srenfors@bigbond.com
srenfors@bigpond.com
srenfors@bigpond.com.au
srenfors@not.olles.com.au
wog_b@yahoo.com

----snip----

> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised

Says Seppo Renfors, Pontifex Fimucerebrissimus.

Ned
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[King Frog]

Seppo Renfors wrote in <4249FD0B.5EC60F06@not.com.au>:

More of his insane idiocy. Nothing relevant to act-b.

> Hyperoglyphe wrote:

---snip---

> > Seepo, how about substantiating what you claim are "oral traditions"
> > with anything more than your own claims and trolled web links.
>
> So here we see the RACIST hyperNazi demonstrate its racism by first
> denying aborigines do have an "oral tradition" (which is misquoted by
> hyperNazi)

He denies its existence and misquotes it?

Get yourself a comprehesion implant, you bumbling boob: if you're
going to spew shit all over Usenet, you should at least try to avoid
contradicting yourself.

---snip---

> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised

Says Seppo Renfors, reaching upward, ever upward, to the dizzy
height of ... village idiot.

+++

Take a hike, you idiot troll.

Freddo
--

[King Frog]

Seppo Renfors wrote in <4249FD61.663E6601@not.com.au>:

More of his hysterical "not me! not me!" finger pointing.
Nothing relevant to act-b.

> King Frog wrote:
> >
> > Seppo Renfors wrote in <42425EAB.F788C9B@not.com.au>:
> >
> > Another rabid rant. Nothing relevant to act-b.
>
> Ahhhhh.... all together now POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORR
> little Noddy the King Nazi, wetting its panties because it cannot
> prevent posting to a PUBLIC group

That's not my aim, you blundering blockhead.

> it doesn't own.

And that's not my claim, you asinine oaf.

> > > SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
> >
> > Says Seppo Renfors, the mad dog Hitler-loving Australophic anti-white
> > racist who *still* hasn't told us what his dere ole dad did in front
> > of Leningrad during the war.
>
> Yep, that is that standard White Supremacists "race traitor" speech -
> atta boy Noddy outing yourself like that!!

Larf. You're the mad hitler-loving dog who's outed himself, Shitferbrains:

> * > The first is possibly the most significant cultural achievement in
> * > millennia.
> *
> * Sorry Noddy, that honour goes to Hitler,

- Seppo Renfors, message <3C01DEAE.DF47167@not.ollis.com.au>.

----snip----

> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised

Says Seppo Renfors, the totty-headed troll whose tink tank's been tonked
too often.

+++

The message you followed up wasn't posted into act-b, troll.
So why did you post it into act-b, troll?

Oh, that's right, you're a troll.

Take a hike, troll.

Freddo
--

[King Frog]

Seppo Renfors wrote in <424E09D2.1FC5D6C5@not.com.au>:

More of his insane frothing at the mouth.
Nothing relevant to act-b.

> King Frog wrote:
> > Seppo Renfors wrote:
> >
> > More of his hysterical "not me! not me!" finger pointing.
> > Nothing relevant to act-b.
> >
> > > King Frog wrote:
> > > > Seppo Renfors wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Another rabid rant. Nothing relevant to act-b.
> > >
> > > Ahhhhh.... all together now POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORR
> > > little Noddy the King Nazi, wetting its panties because it cannot
> > > prevent posting to a PUBLIC group it doesn't own.
> >
> > That's not my aim, you blundering blockhead.
>
> So stop crying then you miserable turd.

Quit the projecting, you whining sook, and practise what you preach.

---snip---

> > You're the mad hitler-loving dog who's outed himself, Shitferbrains:
> >
> > > * > The first is possibly the most significant cultural achievement in
> > > * > millennia.
> > > *
> > > * Sorry Noddy, that honour goes to Hitler,
> >
> > - Seppo Renfors, message <3C01DEAE.DF47167@not.ollis.com.au>.
>
> Oh dear - all together again:
>
> AHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR NODDY!!
>
> The poor bastard is THAT VAIN it thinks it has achieved a "significant
> cultural achievement" greater than HITLER with its own race creation
> fantasy!!!

Get yourself into the Remedial English classes that have been recommended
to you so often, you bumbling boob. You're the one who accords Hitler the
honour of the most significant cultural achievement in millennia.

Fuckin' nazi creep that you are.

> Hell how many "non Ayans" have YOU put into gas chambers, Noddy? NONE,

Yair, that's right: none. Now tell us, you weaselling nazi shit: what
about your dere ole daddy? Did he get any? Or did he just sit in front
of Leningrad and shit himself like you do?

---snip---

> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised

Says Seppo Renfors, Pontifex Fimucerebrissimus, liar, forger, dobber,
defamer, self-confessed Hitler-lover.

+++

The message you followed up wasn't posted into act-b, troll.
So why did you post it into act-b, troll?

Oh, that's right, you're a troll.

Take a hike, troll.

Freddo
--

[Hyperoglyphe]

So I see by this post, the old Seepo Renforz the troll is again hiding his
responses in forums I don't read. His response is probably bloated with
racist claims and outright lies without even addressing the core issues.
That is, his plagiarism and failure to cite sources for his usual claptrap.

To give a couple of examples: Who claimed up to 150 men women and children
were slaughtered at Pinjarra and who, other than 2 aborigines, killed 8
aborigines at Mistake Creek in 1915 in a dispute over a woman.

"King Frog" <chocky@ribbit.com> wrote in message
news:424CAB79.3F46@ribbit.com...
> Seppo Renfors wrote in <4249FD0B.5EC60F06@not.com.au>:
>
> More of his insane idiocy. Nothing relevant to act-b.
>
>> Hyperoglyphe wrote:
>
> ---snip---
>
>> > Seepo, how about substantiating what you claim are "oral traditions"
>> > with anything more than your own claims and trolled web links.
>>
>> So here we see the RACIST hyperNazi demonstrate its racism by first
>> denying aborigines do have an "oral tradition" (which is misquoted by
>> hyperNazi)

WTF is Seepo on about here? People can have "oral traditions" about lots of
things.

To parody the Renforz sophistry, which particular "oral tradition" does the
racist REnforz claim this being "Hypernazi"is supposedly denying?

It would be easier for us gentle readers to be able to help the village
idiot if he could explain what he thinks was said, by whom and when and
where was it recorded.

That, of course, is what history is about.

>
> He denies its existence and misquotes it?
>
> Get yourself a comprehesion implant, you bumbling boob: if you're
> going to spew shit all over Usenet, you should at least try to avoid
> contradicting yourself.

Renforz' idiocy is aptly demonstrated in his failure to understand the place
of "oral traditions" within historiographical technique.

To return to one of my favourite examples of the fool's stupidity, was his
allusion to the Old Kalevela as a 500 page prehistoric creation story,
unchanged for centuries.

Of course, in his usual style, he didn't give the name of the work, relying
on his own authority that his assertions were true, whilst using it to
boslter his racist claim about events in another time and palce.


>
> ---snip---
>
>> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
>
> Says Seppo Renfors, reaching upward, ever upward, to the dizzy
> height of ... village idiot.

Renforz, shouldn't be shy. Where did he hear these amazing "oral
traditions" and when? Where can interested readers find a copy to read?

Dave

[Seppo Renfors]

Hyperoglyphe wrote:
>


YAAAAWWWWNNNN........ your racist propaganda has no place here.......

Nothing relevant to anywhere BUT act-b!

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[Hyperoglyphe]

"Seppo Renfors" <Renfors@not.com.au> wrote in message
news:4250EC5C.69AFBF20@not.com.au...
>
>
> Hyperoglyphe wrote:
>>
>
>
> YAAAAWWWWNNNN........ your racist propaganda has no place here.......

But I did not write: YAAAAWWWWNNNN. Seepo cannot present any argument I am
a racist. If he could do so, he wouldn't need the SNIP, would he?
Obviously a troll with troll tricks, now toying with indent tools.

This must be another Seepo Renforz forgery, by his own standards.
>
> Nothing relevant to anywhere BUT act-b!

WTF is act-b? If Seepo is going to start using acronymns for things, I
hope he doesn't expect others to understand his babble. Similar is his use
of "practise", the verb, when he should be using a noun. Obviously trolling
with spelling flame bait to squink his way out of things.

Seepo has spent years claiming things he cannot back up.


>
> --
> SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> The [...] w[...]ang [...] is misled.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

For example, the above, according to the Seepo Standard Operating Practice
(note the "c"), is not a forgery. Anything can be snipped with gay abandon,
subject to [...]
(I use that phrase intentionally to niggle at the open sore of Seeeeeepo's
Homophobia.)

Of course, any fool with enough gumption to be able to conduct a google
search, can realise what a candidate for alt.usenet.k00ks he is but I shall
include to follow, the text of a post from December 2003, which made Seepo
realise he
was too stupid to address my posts and has since resorted to the
aforemention "snip" campaign, with a MEGASCREAMING dose of racist abuse to
throw the gentle lurker off the scent (yes, he has dodged and squinked this
issue for nearly 2 years. In this
case, I had used the "F" word to describe him as a "F......" charlatan.
Nothing changes.)

(As a foreword, I particularly like where REnforz squinks
his assertion that Windschuttle claimed there was a conspiracy to "return
Tasmania to the 'aboriginals'". My statement then: "I want proof that he
actually said such a thing. Awful, isn't it? I just don't trust you" It was
as true then as it is today. The "Village Idiot" wades in to a fight he
believes exists, without the weaponry to deal with it. His "opponent" is
usually sipping tea with scones, blissfully unaware a legless and armless
knight is challenging him.)

Dave


From post:
3fcd85f1$0$1729$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au3 December 2003, I wrote:

<quote to end of message>

"Seppo Renfors" <Renfors@not.pollis.net.au> wrote in message
news:3FCD3769.F1D76456@not.pollis.net.au...
>
>
> hyperoglyphe wrote:
> >
> > "Seppo Renfors" <Renfors@not.pollis.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:3FCC1955.856F215D@not.pollis.net.au...
> > > [..]
> > ... fucking cowardice.
>
> You keep saying "You don't know me" to Che, but you sure as hell are
> flagging who and what you are for all it is worth. Gutter language
> doesn't impress anyone - nor does it strengthen a point, rather the
> opposite. It is inclined to point to a weak vocabulary of an
> ill-educated person.

There is no harm in using gutter language sometimes when you are squabbling
with gutter rats. May I remind you- and all readers will know what I mean-
that you use personal abuse, old hat political slogans and SHOUTING in MOST
of YOUR postings. I have noticed many and I am sure other readers could
provide me of even more choice and unpleasant examples.
>
> [..]
> > > OK seeing as you are having difficulty with text and cited sources.
> > > Perhaps you'll find sound easier to handle:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/xb4o
> > >
> > > The above is pointing to an mp3 file, of 25 mb dealing with
> > > Windschuttle's revisionism. It is well worth listening to!!
> > >
> > I again refer you to my original posting. I do not give a toss about
> > what's
> > on the recording. Unless of course, it is of some value re the Mistake
> > Creek
> > incident or the use/misuse of oral tradition. explain to me how it is
> > relevant to the issues I am discussing.
>
> You have no interest in ANY sources that address the issues dealt
> with, what IS the point. In that case you are posting to the WRONG
> forum, and should look for something like
> alt.fantasy.world.revisionism.

Does the recording you refer to address the issues I raised about Mistake
Creek? I think not. Or does it make outlandish statements like
"Genocide... it is also now intended to mean the wiping out of Cultures".
Ms Grimshaw is an even bigger looney than you. How insulting to the victims
of Belsen, Auschwitz, and to be more contemporary, the people of the South
Sudan, to try and change the meaning of the word "genocide" in the interests
of political bullshit.

Oh Seppo, did you listen to the start of the recording? Grimshaw called
your champions- Reynolds, Ryan etc, "Revisionists".

>
> > Do you honestly think I am dumb enough to run around in circles

listening to
> > what could be a pile of horse shit? Enlighten me. What is its direct
> > relevance to those matters that you have so carefully avoided? (It has
> > been
> > your style in the past to ovoid the issues you cannot deal with.)
>
> [..]
>
> > > Only a sucker for conspiracy theories could believe that there is an
> > > academy wide CONSPIRACY and POLITICAL AGENDA by genuine academics, to
> > > return Tasmania to the Aborigines. That is a Windschuttle claim!
> >
> > Are you serious?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Is that a Windschuttle conspiracy theory?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Where does he state it?
>
> In a speech..... oh, and I previously misquoted Windschuttle, he used
> "French Marxist Nazi Postmodernism" of people who point to his
> failings and the wanton vilification of aborigines.

I specifically asked you for the exact reference where Windschuttle claims
there is an actual conspiracy to return Tasmania to the aborigines

I am not interested in whether you think he believes that, I want proof that
he actually said such a thing. Awful, isn't it? I just don't trust you.
>
> > Give a reference.
>
> You don't want to know about them, remember!!
>
> > You really are full of bullshit.
>
> Oh S-U-R-E, bike-rack! Why the hell do you even bother asking for
> references for, when you signal its rejection before you even see it!
>
> > Unless of
> > course you can provide an exact and precise reference to support the
> > lunatic
> > statement you have just made about Windschuttle.
>
> NO! That's the result of your continuing replies like: "I do not give
> a toss" - when I provided you with supporting information!!

You haven't actually done it yet. i.e., you have not addressed my
statement, in part, 8 aborigines killed by 2 aborigines at Mistake Creek.

I'm not
> going to bother wasting my time providing sources only to be insulted
> by an ill-educated revisionist as a result!

Most of the material you refer to is not actually historical source
material. A lot of it consists of newspaper cuttings, book reviews and
other secondary or tertiary material- i.e., opinion rather than the genuine
products of research. Can't you do any better than that?

>Do your own bloody
> research, I'm not your slave!!

I have been doing my own research and some of yours for you. Remind me,
what were the names of the 2 Icelandic sagas that referred to Norse
expeditions to North America? You made vague claims in your argument
without citing a source.



>
> > > THAT is the sort of stuff you are asking sane people to take
> > > seriously. Do you seriously believe ANY part of that conspiracy
> > > crackpot stuff?
> >
> > No, I do not.
>
> Aha - I take that as an admission of your understanding that
> Windschuttle is wrong on that score -

It is nothing of the kind. Have you read Fabrication yet. Windschuttle
exposes the falsehoods, distortions and fudging of source material by
several Historians who have an obvious political agenda. Since the 1970's,
the overwhelming majority of Australian Historians dealing with Australian
history (especially where aboriginal issues are involved) have followed that
same agenda. Windschuttle's agenda has been to expose the clap trap and to
try and bring some integrity back to discussion of such issues.

But of course, this does not address my statement, 8 aborigines killed by 2
aborigines at Mistake Creek.

but you see, you swear by his
> very word on things you like to believe. Isn't that a serious
> inconsistency? After all that conspiracy theory of his is an
> overarching one that permeates trough to his books. THAT is the the
> very foundation of his writings after all.

That is false. You have obviously not read his books. Read "The Killing of
History" and "Fabrication" instead of relying on second or third hand
comment and opinion.
>
> Windschuttle accuses the WHOLE academia, not merely select few
> authors, of a "political agenda" to bury history what he wishes to
> rewrite and falsely claim as the "truth". According to the windbag
> (and I have even less respect for the man after his latest uttering)
> it goes on in schools, museums, universities, books and magazines and
> papers as well as certain political parties. Not only by few writers
> like Reynolds. BTW Windschuttle readily admits to being "conservative"
> in political views, like Oldfield who also labels himself conservative
> but admits to be a "Nationalist-Socialist with all the connotations
> that go with it" - Oldfield.

None of the above is relevant. I do not care how Windschuttle or any other
Historian votes. It is not to the point. Remember the name on the subject
line: More Mistakes about Mistake Creek.

>
> Windschuttle is so "sure" of his "facts" he can tell a person their
> Great Uncle didn't exist, couldn't have existed! I'm certain
> Windschuttle is well aware of the convention of saying only a single
> "Great" rather than "great, great, great, great, great, great...." for
> however long it takes. This leave the reason of the denial of the
> Great Uncle for the single reason that it contradicted his claims!
> Then it is simple -but only to Windschuttle, as the Great Uncle
> couldn't exist - neither could the information contradicting his
> claims!

Enlighten me, are we talking about your Great Uncle, Seppo? You are taking
Windschuttles name again in vain. That is OK, but give me an exact point of
reference for him saying anything that resembles your incoherent paragraph.
>
> > However, I am very well read, as you are no doubt aware after
> > the belting I gave you in regard to the Kalevala and certain aspects of
> > the
> > Norse Saga issue.
>
> What I'm aware of is that you have scoured the net about information
> on me and found I have discussed Kalevala.

You have put your foot in your mouth again. Your comment is false. My
original comments about the Kalevala were offered without any prior search
of the net. I tried the exercise after your post, Google, string "Seppo
Renfors Kalevala": no matches. Of course, if I didn't know the name in the
first place, I would have searched "Seppo Renfors oral tradition" nothing
there on the Kalevala. Then I typed in "Seppo Renfors". Nothing about the
Kalevala there, but a lot about a court case. Incidentally, the Kalevala
reference was very easy to pick up on because by sheer chance such subject
matter falls into one of my areas of interest.

>THAT I'm well aware of -
> you haven't been able to resist "showing off". No, I don't accept you
> to be "well read" from that.


>
> Of course you patting yourself on the back for such irrelevancies as
> scouring the net for info didn't address the issues AT ALL.

Refer to the above para. Knowing quite a lot about the Kalevala and Norse
Sagas (for which you were vague about) is not showing off.
Neither is it showing off to be able to use them for research and discussion
purposes- readers need only look at what I had to say about the Sagas and
the Norse adventures in Vinland et al.

REAL
> academics and scholars addresses the ISSUES instead - you do not
> belong to that group.

Another CAPITAL. You are obviously not a real academic, because you have not
addressed any of the issues on the original post, which was More Mistakes
about Mistake Creek.
>
> [snip Mr Bean ref - etc]
>
> > > > I am not convinced you have read Fabrication, or the
> > > > "gang attack" in Whitewash, or the hatchet job that Windschuttle
> > > > recently
> > > > did on Whitewash.
> > >
> > > I love your choice of words; "hatchet job" as performed by a "hatchet
> > > man" an underworld simile, with the overtones of criminality,
> > > dishonesty and unsavoury conduct in general. Well done :-)
> > ... you are nothing but a fucking charlatan, with trendoid political
> > views.
>
>
> I've had enough, you are nothing but a bloody potty-mouth without the
> capabilities required to handle real debate in an intellectual
> manner! Yes, I know about you - you are an open book, with very few
> words in it - and THAT requires no trawling of the net either!!

For the benefit of readers I will reinsert the original comments:, "snipped"
because Seppo couldn't deal with them.
Note where I used the "charlatan statement", he snipped the question
(avoiding answering it).

<<reinsert here>>

> seriously. Do you seriously believe ANY part of that conspiracy
> crackpot stuff?

No, I do not. However, I am very well read, as you are no doubt aware after
the belting I gave you in regard to the Kalevala and certain aspects of the
Norse Saga issue. I am equally well read (actually more) re trends in
Australian Historical writing since the time of our greatest historian C. E.
W. Bean.
[...]
So have you read Fabrication, Whitewash and Windschuttle's response to
Whitewash, or not? If you have not, you are nothing but a fucking charlatan,
with trendoid political views.
[...]
And what about the Norse sagas?

Do you want to go on another trip to Vinland, Helluland or Markland with me?
or would you rather discuss something more war-like, such as the 50 or so
contradictory "oral traditions" about the career of Ragnar Lodvrok, one of
the great Norse heroes of the Viking age?

As for discussing fiction, I am ready whenever you like to start quoting
chapter and verse about the delightful historical novels of Reynolds, Ryan
Green and many others. But don't get me wrong- I am not an Australian
chauvinist. If you like, we can talk about the prize arseholes of modern
historiography as well- Foucault and Derrida.


So you have "had enough", Seppo? I have asked this several times, but I'll
do it once more.

Have you read any of the texts central to the debate. Have you actually
read Fabrication and Whitewash. You have not responded to this question. I
suspect you have not. Furthermore, you said quite bluntly that you had not
bothered to read either of Moran's major books.

Finally, what about Mistake Creek, the subject of this posting? What about
the 8 aborigines killed by 2 other aborigines at Mistake Creek?

This discussion has been an interesting exercise in futility. One of your
critics called you a "left wing looney". I'll leave you to track down who
that was.

Dave
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