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a link to the past
03-05-2005, 10:23 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/02/news_6123425.html
Gates likes XBox 360's chances vs. Sony

Microsoft chairman sees the next-gen Xbox as the tool to push the company to
number one in gaming biz.
Corporate hoopla and boasting should always be taken with a grain of salt.
But when such speak comes from the richest man in the world, it comes with
the credulity of 46.5 billion convincing dollars.

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates believes that the next-generation Xbox,
referred to as the Xbox 360 or by its code-name, Xenon, will launch his
company into the leading position in the gaming industry. The console, which
is expected to be released later this year, would have to have some serious
impact to dethrone gaming's current top dog, Sony.
"Our goal in the last generation was to be in the game," Gates told
reporters at a meeting of the Society of American Business Editors and
Writers, "We came out of this round a strong number two."

The next Xbox is rumored to have standard wireless controllers, a detachable
hard drive for storing various forms of media, and a high-powered processor
that will deliver incredibly sharp graphics. With a recent deal with
Samsung, one of Sony's rivals in the electronics market, Gates is hoping
that the Xbox 360 will usher in the high-definition era into homes across
the world. While details are still trickling in about the next Xbox, the
state of Sony's PlayStation 3, expected in 2006, still remain under wraps.

Word on the Street is some analysts don't see the launch of Microsoft's
console as the beginning of the company's reign as king of the industry.
Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities, doesn't see the
next-generation really kicking into high gear until Sony's contribution hits
the market.

"We believe that market perception will cause entertainment software stocks
to fluctuate within a narrow range until there is better visibility into
software demand," says Pachter. "We think that many investors have
misinterpreted the launch of the Xbox 360 as the beginning of the next
generation, and expect rapid sales growth in 2006. In contrast, we expect
the launch of Sony's PS3 (expected in late 2006) to mark the beginning of
the next cycle, and think that rapid sales growth will not materialize until
2007."

Gamers will get their first peek at the new Xbox on May 12, when a special
unveiling of the machine airs on MTV.

"What we've got in this [next round], at some significant financial cost,
was the right to play again with great credibility," Gates said. "So now
people are looking at the two companies [Microsoft and Sony] at a pretty
much equal basis."

Toppling Sony as the leader in the market would be quite astonishing for
Microsoft, who only joined the fray in 2001 with the current-generation
Xbox. Sony, on the other hand, released the PlayStation 2, the current
market champ, in 2000, and the PlayStation was released in 1995.

By Tim Surette -- GameSpot
POSTED: 05/02/05 05:01 PM PST

Paul Heslop
03-05-2005, 11:04 AM
a link to the past wrote:
>
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/02/news_6123425.html
> Gates likes XBox 360's chances vs. Sony
>
news just in - Bears shit in woods - pope is Catholic


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a link to the past
03-05-2005, 11:04 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/02/technology/gates_xbox.reut/


_________________________________
SEATTLE (Reuters) - The next generation of Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox gaming
console, due to be unveiled later this month, will give the world's largest
software maker a chance to overtake the leader in the gaming business, Sony
Corp., Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates said Monday.

"Our goal in the last generation was to be in the game," Gates told
reporters, "We came out of this round a strong number two."



"What we've got in this (next round), at some significant financial cost,
was the right to play again with great credibility," Gates said. "So now
people are looking at the two companies at a pretty much equal basis."

Asked if Microsoft would be able to beat Sony with Xenon, Gates said that
several top employees involved with Xenon had promised Microsoft Chief
Executive Steve Ballmer that Xenon would beat Sony and that he welcomed that
"competitive dynamic."

____________________________

Doug Jacobs
03-05-2005, 11:53 AM
In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 a link to the past <alinktothepast@aol.com> wrote:

> "Our goal in the last generation was to be in the game," Gates told
> reporters, "We came out of this round a strong number two."

I thought Gamecube slightly outsold XBox worldwide? In the US - sure,
strong #2. But worldwide?

Xbot
03-05-2005, 12:34 PM
"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:117dm3ce7bjar3f@corp.supernews.com...
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 a link to the past
> <alinktothepast@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Our goal in the last generation was to be in the game," Gates told
>> reporters, "We came out of this round a strong number two."
>
> I thought Gamecube slightly outsold XBox worldwide? In the US - sure,
> strong #2. But worldwide?

Last I'd heard Xbox had indeed pulled ahead of Gamecube (I'd guess shortly
after November 9th.)

Still, they're by no means a "strong number two." It's a close race for
second and the gap between second and first is enormous. So they have
neither a commanding lead over Nintendo nor a narrow margin to close with
Sony. How is that a position of strength from either angle? Sony is blowing
them away and Nintendo is fighting them for every point of market share
(while spending about a fourth of what it's cost MS to get where they are.)

I really think MS is counting a lot of unhatched chickens here. They had
several advantages in the last round that failed to make much difference
(battling two-year-old hardware, being online-capable out of the box, the
ubiquitous hard drive.) How do they "know" they're going to beat Sony next
time when it's a level playing field on all those fronts?

Oh wait, I forget. They're launching AHEAD of Sony this time. That can't
miss, right? I mean we all know the Dreamcast won this generation by doing
just that...

(I'm imagining some of the younger readers of this group mouthing the word
"Whatcast?")

Xeryus
03-05-2005, 12:34 PM
"a link to the past" <alinktothepast@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1Y2dnc-OAenBX-vfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/02/news_6123425.html
> Gates likes XBox 360's chances vs. Sony
>
> Microsoft chairman sees the next-gen Xbox as the tool to push the company
> to number one in gaming biz.
> Corporate hoopla and boasting should always be taken with a grain of salt.
> But when such speak comes from the richest man in the world, it comes with
> the credulity of 46.5 billion convincing dollars.
>
> Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates believes that the next-generation Xbox,
> referred to as the Xbox 360 or by its code-name, Xenon, will launch his
> company into the leading position in the gaming industry. The console,
> which is expected to be released later this year, would have to have some
> serious impact to dethrone gaming's current top dog, Sony.
> "Our goal in the last generation was to be in the game," Gates told
> reporters at a meeting of the Society of American Business Editors and
> Writers, "We came out of this round a strong number two."
>
> The next Xbox is rumored to have standard wireless controllers, a
> detachable hard drive for storing various forms of media, and a
> high-powered processor that will deliver incredibly sharp graphics. With a
> recent deal with Samsung, one of Sony's rivals in the electronics market,
> Gates is hoping that the Xbox 360 will usher in the high-definition era
> into homes across the world. While details are still trickling in about
> the next Xbox, the state of Sony's PlayStation 3, expected in 2006, still
> remain under wraps.
>
> Word on the Street is some analysts don't see the launch of Microsoft's
> console as the beginning of the company's reign as king of the industry.
> Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities, doesn't see the
> next-generation really kicking into high gear until Sony's contribution
> hits the market.
>
> "We believe that market perception will cause entertainment software
> stocks to fluctuate within a narrow range until there is better visibility
> into software demand," says Pachter. "We think that many investors have
> misinterpreted the launch of the Xbox 360 as the beginning of the next
> generation, and expect rapid sales growth in 2006. In contrast, we expect
> the launch of Sony's PS3 (expected in late 2006) to mark the beginning of
> the next cycle, and think that rapid sales growth will not materialize
> until 2007."
>
> Gamers will get their first peek at the new Xbox on May 12, when a special
> unveiling of the machine airs on MTV.
>
> "What we've got in this [next round], at some significant financial cost,
> was the right to play again with great credibility," Gates said. "So now
> people are looking at the two companies [Microsoft and Sony] at a pretty
> much equal basis."
>
> Toppling Sony as the leader in the market would be quite astonishing for
> Microsoft, who only joined the fray in 2001 with the current-generation
> Xbox. Sony, on the other hand, released the PlayStation 2, the current
> market champ, in 2000, and the PlayStation was released in 1995.
>
> By Tim Surette -- GameSpot
> POSTED: 05/02/05 05:01 PM PST
>
>


Why do these supposed Industry folks insist on belittling Microsoft's
chances? Before the PlayStation become so huge (whether deserved or not),
Sony were in the same boat against Nintendo or at a push Sega. If Sony
managed it, why not Microsoft?
I personally haven't been taken with either of Sony's offerings. The
original PlayStation was decent to start with, it definately added a hugely
different aspect to gaming, but ultimately faded in my eyes. PS2 was pretty
much a let down for me, didn't live upto the promise I had in my mind. Thank
god for the Dreamcast (too short a life, boo hoo) and later, the Xbox.

I will most definately be getting Microsoft's new offering. I hope the 'PS3'
does well too, the gaming industry needs strong competitors to keep it
evolving.

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out though.


Xeryus

Ragemaster Randy
03-05-2005, 06:33 PM
"Xeryus" <Xeryus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:piBde.21492$j54.5030@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
>
> "a link to the past" <alinktothepast@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1Y2dnc-OAenBX-vfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> >
> > http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/02/news_6123425.html
> > Gates likes XBox 360's chances vs. Sony
> >
> > Microsoft chairman sees the next-gen Xbox as the tool to push the
company
> > to number one in gaming biz.
> > Corporate hoopla and boasting should always be taken with a grain of
salt.
> > But when such speak comes from the richest man in the world, it comes
with
> > the credulity of 46.5 billion convincing dollars.
> >
> > Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates believes that the next-generation Xbox,
> > referred to as the Xbox 360 or by its code-name, Xenon, will launch his
> > company into the leading position in the gaming industry. The console,
> > which is expected to be released later this year, would have to have
some
> > serious impact to dethrone gaming's current top dog, Sony.
> > "Our goal in the last generation was to be in the game," Gates told
> > reporters at a meeting of the Society of American Business Editors and
> > Writers, "We came out of this round a strong number two."
> >
> > The next Xbox is rumored to have standard wireless controllers, a
> > detachable hard drive for storing various forms of media, and a
> > high-powered processor that will deliver incredibly sharp graphics. With
a
> > recent deal with Samsung, one of Sony's rivals in the electronics
market,
> > Gates is hoping that the Xbox 360 will usher in the high-definition era
> > into homes across the world. While details are still trickling in about
> > the next Xbox, the state of Sony's PlayStation 3, expected in 2006,
still
> > remain under wraps.
> >
> > Word on the Street is some analysts don't see the launch of Microsoft's
> > console as the beginning of the company's reign as king of the industry.
> > Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities, doesn't see the
> > next-generation really kicking into high gear until Sony's contribution
> > hits the market.
> >
> > "We believe that market perception will cause entertainment software
> > stocks to fluctuate within a narrow range until there is better
visibility
> > into software demand," says Pachter. "We think that many investors have
> > misinterpreted the launch of the Xbox 360 as the beginning of the next
> > generation, and expect rapid sales growth in 2006. In contrast, we
expect
> > the launch of Sony's PS3 (expected in late 2006) to mark the beginning
of
> > the next cycle, and think that rapid sales growth will not materialize
> > until 2007."
> >
> > Gamers will get their first peek at the new Xbox on May 12, when a
special
> > unveiling of the machine airs on MTV.
> >
> > "What we've got in this [next round], at some significant financial
cost,
> > was the right to play again with great credibility," Gates said. "So now
> > people are looking at the two companies [Microsoft and Sony] at a pretty
> > much equal basis."
> >
> > Toppling Sony as the leader in the market would be quite astonishing for
> > Microsoft, who only joined the fray in 2001 with the current-generation
> > Xbox. Sony, on the other hand, released the PlayStation 2, the current
> > market champ, in 2000, and the PlayStation was released in 1995.
> >
> > By Tim Surette -- GameSpot
> > POSTED: 05/02/05 05:01 PM PST
> >
> >
>
>
> Why do these supposed Industry folks insist on belittling Microsoft's
> chances? Before the PlayStation become so huge (whether deserved or not),
> Sony were in the same boat against Nintendo or at a push Sega. If Sony
> managed it, why not Microsoft?
> I personally haven't been taken with either of Sony's offerings. The
> original PlayStation was decent to start with, it definately added a
hugely
> different aspect to gaming, but ultimately faded in my eyes. PS2 was
pretty
> much a let down for me, didn't live upto the promise I had in my mind.
Thank
> god for the Dreamcast (too short a life, boo hoo) and later, the Xbox.
>
> I will most definately be getting Microsoft's new offering. I hope the
'PS3'
> does well too, the gaming industry needs strong competitors to keep it
> evolving.
>
> It will be interesting to see how it all pans out though.
>

I agree that competition is good for any industry. I don't know where it let
you down but the PS/2 has been nearly flawless for me except for the shitty
memory card system. Some of the best games have been Ps/2 only (even if just
for a couple of months/year). I also have a dreamcast but still feel pissed
off at Sega for their marketing deficiencies. Imagine the games that would
be out for the Dreamcast right now. Even now some of the new PS/2 games
cannot match the first gen Dreamcast games.

Dog Bowl
04-05-2005, 06:13 AM
In article <4276C637.168121EA@blueyonder.co.uk>,
paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> a link to the past wrote:
> >
> > http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/02/news_6123425.html
> > Gates likes XBox 360's chances vs. Sony
> >
> news just in - Bears shit in woods - pope is Catholic
>

I'm not sure if the pope is catholic, scroll about halfway up this forum
thread:

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=158274

Android
04-05-2005, 10:23 AM
"Ragemaster Randy" <vivasawadee@yahoo.comski> wrote in message
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>
> "Xeryus" <Xeryus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:piBde.21492$j54.5030@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> >
> > "a link to the past" <alinktothepast@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1Y2dnc-OAenBX-vfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/02/news_6123425.html
> > > Gates likes XBox 360's chances vs. Sony
> > >
> > > Microsoft chairman sees the next-gen Xbox as the tool to push the
> company
> > > to number one in gaming biz.
> > > Corporate hoopla and boasting should always be taken with a grain of
> salt.
> > > But when such speak comes from the richest man in the world, it comes
> with
> > > the credulity of 46.5 billion convincing dollars.
> > >
> > > Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates believes that the next-generation Xbox,
> > > referred to as the Xbox 360 or by its code-name, Xenon, will launch
his
> > > company into the leading position in the gaming industry. The console,
> > > which is expected to be released later this year, would have to have
> some
> > > serious impact to dethrone gaming's current top dog, Sony.
> > > "Our goal in the last generation was to be in the game," Gates told
> > > reporters at a meeting of the Society of American Business Editors and
> > > Writers, "We came out of this round a strong number two."
> > >
> > > The next Xbox is rumored to have standard wireless controllers, a
> > > detachable hard drive for storing various forms of media, and a
> > > high-powered processor that will deliver incredibly sharp graphics.
With
> a
> > > recent deal with Samsung, one of Sony's rivals in the electronics
> market,
> > > Gates is hoping that the Xbox 360 will usher in the high-definition
era
> > > into homes across the world. While details are still trickling in
about
> > > the next Xbox, the state of Sony's PlayStation 3, expected in 2006,
> still
> > > remain under wraps.
> > >
> > > Word on the Street is some analysts don't see the launch of
Microsoft's
> > > console as the beginning of the company's reign as king of the
industry.
> > > Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities, doesn't see the
> > > next-generation really kicking into high gear until Sony's
contribution
> > > hits the market.
> > >
> > > "We believe that market perception will cause entertainment software
> > > stocks to fluctuate within a narrow range until there is better
> visibility
> > > into software demand," says Pachter. "We think that many investors
have
> > > misinterpreted the launch of the Xbox 360 as the beginning of the next
> > > generation, and expect rapid sales growth in 2006. In contrast, we
> expect
> > > the launch of Sony's PS3 (expected in late 2006) to mark the beginning
> of
> > > the next cycle, and think that rapid sales growth will not materialize
> > > until 2007."
> > >
> > > Gamers will get their first peek at the new Xbox on May 12, when a
> special
> > > unveiling of the machine airs on MTV.
> > >
> > > "What we've got in this [next round], at some significant financial
> cost,
> > > was the right to play again with great credibility," Gates said. "So
now
> > > people are looking at the two companies [Microsoft and Sony] at a
pretty
> > > much equal basis."
> > >
> > > Toppling Sony as the leader in the market would be quite astonishing
for
> > > Microsoft, who only joined the fray in 2001 with the
current-generation
> > > Xbox. Sony, on the other hand, released the PlayStation 2, the current
> > > market champ, in 2000, and the PlayStation was released in 1995.
> > >
> > > By Tim Surette -- GameSpot
> > > POSTED: 05/02/05 05:01 PM PST
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Why do these supposed Industry folks insist on belittling Microsoft's
> > chances? Before the PlayStation become so huge (whether deserved or
not),
> > Sony were in the same boat against Nintendo or at a push Sega. If Sony
> > managed it, why not Microsoft?
> > I personally haven't been taken with either of Sony's offerings. The
> > original PlayStation was decent to start with, it definately added a
> hugely
> > different aspect to gaming, but ultimately faded in my eyes. PS2 was
> pretty
> > much a let down for me, didn't live upto the promise I had in my mind.
> Thank
> > god for the Dreamcast (too short a life, boo hoo) and later, the Xbox.
> >
> > I will most definately be getting Microsoft's new offering. I hope the
> 'PS3'
> > does well too, the gaming industry needs strong competitors to keep it
> > evolving.
> >
> > It will be interesting to see how it all pans out though.
> >
>
> I agree that competition is good for any industry. I don't know where it
let
> you down but the PS/2 has been nearly flawless for me except for the
shitty
> memory card system. Some of the best games have been Ps/2 only (even if
just
> for a couple of months/year). I also have a dreamcast but still feel
pissed
> off at Sega for their marketing deficiencies. Imagine the games that would
> be out for the Dreamcast right now. Even now some of the new PS/2 games
> cannot match the first gen Dreamcast games.

Not to single you out, but I'm wondering--what DC games are you referring
to? I've heard that before--"DC games look better than many PS2 games,"
"PS2 games can't match first gen DC games"--and I have no idea what games
they are talking about.

Don't get me wrong--I bought a Dreamcast on 9/9/99, and I loved it. I still
play Soul Calibur, Speed Devils, Hydro Thunder, Toy Commander, and Power
Stone 1 and 2 every now and again. I wish Sega had supported it longer.
But after playing games such as ICO, God of War, Mark of Kri, Ratchet &
Clank, Gran Turismo, and Jak & Daxter on the PS2, I don't see any DC games
that look better than those. There are a lot of PS2 games that look worse
than the best DC games, but I don't know of any first gen DC games that look
better than the newest PS2 games. Maybe I just haven't played the
best-looking DC games that you guys are referring to.

Tommy Stenberg
04-05-2005, 10:54 AM
"Android" <androvich@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Ragemaster Randy" <vivasawadee@yahoo.comski> wrote in message
> news:p_ydnUTyQ4fAq-rfRVnygw@giganews.com...
>>
>> "Xeryus" <Xeryus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:piBde.21492$j54.5030@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
>> >
>> > "a link to the past" <alinktothepast@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1Y2dnc-OAenBX-vfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>> > >
>> > > http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/02/news_6123425.html
>> > > Gates likes XBox 360's chances vs. Sony
>> > >
>> > > Microsoft chairman sees the next-gen Xbox as the tool to push the
>> company
>> > > to number one in gaming biz.
>> > > Corporate hoopla and boasting should always be taken with a grain of
>> salt.
>> > > But when such speak comes from the richest man in the world, it comes
>> with
>> > > the credulity of 46.5 billion convincing dollars.
>> > >
>> > > Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates believes that the next-generation Xbox,
>> > > referred to as the Xbox 360 or by its code-name, Xenon, will launch
> his
>> > > company into the leading position in the gaming industry. The
>> > > console,
>> > > which is expected to be released later this year, would have to have
>> some
>> > > serious impact to dethrone gaming's current top dog, Sony.
>> > > "Our goal in the last generation was to be in the game," Gates told
>> > > reporters at a meeting of the Society of American Business Editors
>> > > and
>> > > Writers, "We came out of this round a strong number two."
>> > >
>> > > The next Xbox is rumored to have standard wireless controllers, a
>> > > detachable hard drive for storing various forms of media, and a
>> > > high-powered processor that will deliver incredibly sharp graphics.
> With
>> a
>> > > recent deal with Samsung, one of Sony's rivals in the electronics
>> market,
>> > > Gates is hoping that the Xbox 360 will usher in the high-definition
> era
>> > > into homes across the world. While details are still trickling in
> about
>> > > the next Xbox, the state of Sony's PlayStation 3, expected in 2006,
>> still
>> > > remain under wraps.
>> > >
>> > > Word on the Street is some analysts don't see the launch of
> Microsoft's
>> > > console as the beginning of the company's reign as king of the
> industry.
>> > > Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities, doesn't see
>> > > the
>> > > next-generation really kicking into high gear until Sony's
> contribution
>> > > hits the market.
>> > >
>> > > "We believe that market perception will cause entertainment software
>> > > stocks to fluctuate within a narrow range until there is better
>> visibility
>> > > into software demand," says Pachter. "We think that many investors
> have
>> > > misinterpreted the launch of the Xbox 360 as the beginning of the
>> > > next
>> > > generation, and expect rapid sales growth in 2006. In contrast, we
>> expect
>> > > the launch of Sony's PS3 (expected in late 2006) to mark the
>> > > beginning
>> of
>> > > the next cycle, and think that rapid sales growth will not
>> > > materialize
>> > > until 2007."
>> > >
>> > > Gamers will get their first peek at the new Xbox on May 12, when a
>> special
>> > > unveiling of the machine airs on MTV.
>> > >
>> > > "What we've got in this [next round], at some significant financial
>> cost,
>> > > was the right to play again with great credibility," Gates said. "So
> now
>> > > people are looking at the two companies [Microsoft and Sony] at a
> pretty
>> > > much equal basis."
>> > >
>> > > Toppling Sony as the leader in the market would be quite astonishing
> for
>> > > Microsoft, who only joined the fray in 2001 with the
> current-generation
>> > > Xbox. Sony, on the other hand, released the PlayStation 2, the
>> > > current
>> > > market champ, in 2000, and the PlayStation was released in 1995.
>> > >
>> > > By Tim Surette -- GameSpot
>> > > POSTED: 05/02/05 05:01 PM PST
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Why do these supposed Industry folks insist on belittling Microsoft's
>> > chances? Before the PlayStation become so huge (whether deserved or
> not),
>> > Sony were in the same boat against Nintendo or at a push Sega. If Sony
>> > managed it, why not Microsoft?
>> > I personally haven't been taken with either of Sony's offerings. The
>> > original PlayStation was decent to start with, it definately added a
>> hugely
>> > different aspect to gaming, but ultimately faded in my eyes. PS2 was
>> pretty
>> > much a let down for me, didn't live upto the promise I had in my mind.
>> Thank
>> > god for the Dreamcast (too short a life, boo hoo) and later, the Xbox.
>> >
>> > I will most definately be getting Microsoft's new offering. I hope the
>> 'PS3'
>> > does well too, the gaming industry needs strong competitors to keep it
>> > evolving.
>> >
>> > It will be interesting to see how it all pans out though.
>> >
>>
>> I agree that competition is good for any industry. I don't know where it
> let
>> you down but the PS/2 has been nearly flawless for me except for the
> shitty
>> memory card system. Some of the best games have been Ps/2 only (even if
> just
>> for a couple of months/year). I also have a dreamcast but still feel
> pissed
>> off at Sega for their marketing deficiencies. Imagine the games that
>> would
>> be out for the Dreamcast right now. Even now some of the new PS/2 games
>> cannot match the first gen Dreamcast games.
>
> Not to single you out, but I'm wondering--what DC games are you referring
> to? I've heard that before--"DC games look better than many PS2 games,"
> "PS2 games can't match first gen DC games"--and I have no idea what games
> they are talking about.
>
> Don't get me wrong--I bought a Dreamcast on 9/9/99, and I loved it. I
> still
> play Soul Calibur, Speed Devils, Hydro Thunder, Toy Commander, and Power
> Stone 1 and 2 every now and again. I wish Sega had supported it longer.
> But after playing games such as ICO, God of War, Mark of Kri, Ratchet &
> Clank, Gran Turismo, and Jak & Daxter on the PS2, I don't see any DC games
> that look better than those. There are a lot of PS2 games that look worse
> than the best DC games, but I don't know of any first gen DC games that
> look
> better than the newest PS2 games. Maybe I just haven't played the
> best-looking DC games that you guys are referring to.

These are the same guys that still think Shenmue and Soul Calibur have the
best graphics on any system to date ... :)

Tommy

Tommy Stenberg
04-05-2005, 10:54 AM
> Why do these supposed Industry folks insist on belittling Microsoft's
> chances? Before the PlayStation become so huge (whether deserved or not),
> Sony were in the same boat against Nintendo or at a push Sega. If Sony
> managed it, why not Microsoft?

The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Sony CREATED a market as
opposed to Microsoft who tries to STEAL the market share. Sony saw a
potential market, they made gaming commercially succesfull. Sony didn't
STEAL anything from Nintendo or Sega. Instead of trying to fit in, they
expanded the market instead.

Tommy

Jyri 'jryi' Jokinen
04-05-2005, 04:53 PM
Tommy Stenberg (nobodysfool@dont.exist):
> The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Sony CREATED a market as
> opposed to Microsoft who tries to STEAL the market share.

Something Microsoft has never tried to do before. (Or after...)

--
jryi

Leon Dexter
04-05-2005, 08:03 PM
"Tommy Stenberg" <nobodysfool@dont.exist> wrote in message news:n2Vde.1107

> The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Sony CREATED a market as
> opposed to Microsoft who tries to STEAL the market share. Sony saw a
> potential market, they made gaming commercially succesfull. Sony didn't
> STEAL anything from Nintendo or Sega. Instead of trying to fit in, they
> expanded the market instead.

Sony may have expanded the market, but it was already expanding. SEGA
helped with that a lot with their marketing in the Genesis days, but mostly
it was due to gamers getting older all by themselves, and not giving up
gaming.
If you really think Sony didn't "steal" any of SEGA or Nintendo's market,
you're kidding yourself. They almost completely took SEGA's target
audience, and they took plenty of Nintendo's as well.

Xeryus
04-05-2005, 08:13 PM
"Tommy Stenberg" <nobodysfool@dont.exist> wrote in message
news:n2Vde.1107$Fe7.28132@news000.worldonline.dk.. .
>> Why do these supposed Industry folks insist on belittling Microsoft's
>> chances? Before the PlayStation become so huge (whether deserved or not),
>> Sony were in the same boat against Nintendo or at a push Sega. If Sony
>> managed it, why not Microsoft?
>
> The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Sony CREATED a market as
> opposed to Microsoft who tries to STEAL the market share. Sony saw a
> potential market, they made gaming commercially succesfull. Sony didn't
> STEAL anything from Nintendo or Sega. Instead of trying to fit in, they
> expanded the market instead.
>
> Tommy
>

So, did they create or expand the market?

Microsoft did exactly the same thing as Sony, just not as successfully. The
only difference is the perception of the good public. The fact that people
seem to hold a level of disdain with Microsoft, whether deservedly or not.


Xeryus

Xeryus
04-05-2005, 08:13 PM
"Leon Dexter" <leondexterNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:f51ee.5383$HL2.2919@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "Tommy Stenberg" <nobodysfool@dont.exist> wrote in message news:n2Vde.1107
>
>> The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Sony CREATED a market
>> as
>> opposed to Microsoft who tries to STEAL the market share. Sony saw a
>> potential market, they made gaming commercially succesfull. Sony didn't
>> STEAL anything from Nintendo or Sega. Instead of trying to fit in, they
>> expanded the market instead.
>
> Sony may have expanded the market, but it was already expanding. SEGA
> helped with that a lot with their marketing in the Genesis days, but
> mostly
> it was due to gamers getting older all by themselves, and not giving up
> gaming.
> If you really think Sony didn't "steal" any of SEGA or Nintendo's market,
> you're kidding yourself. They almost completely took SEGA's target
> audience, and they took plenty of Nintendo's as well.
>
>

Nicely put



Xeryus