CDMA and Message Bank

[Nola Jean McKenzie]

I have a N6225 CDMA. I want to change the time out before a call diverts to
messagebank, but there's no allowance for it in the menus.

Can this be done from the handset using the *21 or whatever it is code, or
can it only be done by a callcentre chimp?

Thanks
Nola

[thegoons]

Ring the chimp on 125111; the only way (max is 30 sec)

"Nola Jean McKenzie" <dontbother@emailing.me> wrote in message
news:427dade3@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>I have a N6225 CDMA. I want to change the time out before a call diverts
>to messagebank, but there's no allowance for it in the menus.
>
> Can this be done from the handset using the *21 or whatever it is code, or
> can it only be done by a callcentre chimp?
>
> Thanks
> Nola
>

[Martin Taylor]

thegoons said....

> Ring the chimp on 125111; the only way (max is 30 sec)

And even then that's not guaranteed. Whenever I ring the missus on her
mobile, it's a lottery as to whether it goes straight to message bank,
or if the phone rings or that I get a Telstra message saying that the
mobile that I'm currently trying to call is out of range. When that
happens I get the option to send it an SMS saying that I tried to call
(call charges will be incurred).

[Michael]

"Martin Taylor" <mjpt57@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4282635d.6b057cca.bm000@gmail.com...
> thegoons said....
>
> > Ring the chimp on 125111; the only way (max is 30 sec)
>
> And even then that's not guaranteed. Whenever I ring the missus on her
> mobile, it's a lottery as to whether it goes straight to message bank,
> or if the phone rings or that I get a Telstra message saying that the
> mobile that I'm currently trying to call is out of range. When that
> happens I get the option to send it an SMS saying that I tried to call
> (call charges will be incurred).

User error, you dont sound like you have ALL your diversions set to 101

[Michael]

"Nola Jean McKenzie" <dontbother@emailing.me> wrote in message
news:427dade3@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> I have a N6225 CDMA. I want to change the time out before a call diverts
to
> messagebank, but there's no allowance for it in the menus.
>
> Can this be done from the handset using the *21 or whatever it is code, or
> can it only be done by a callcentre chimp?

Sorry, jailbirds dont get outside calls to 125111

[Martin Taylor]

Michael said....

>> And even then that's not guaranteed. Whenever I ring the missus on her
>> mobile, it's a lottery as to whether it goes straight to message bank,
>> or if the phone rings or that I get a Telstra message saying that the
>> mobile that I'm currently trying to call is out of range. When that
>> happens I get the option to send it an SMS saying that I tried to call
>> (call charges will be incurred).
>
> User error, you dont sound like you have ALL your diversions set to 101

Not sure what you mean? ALL diversions?

Sometimes the phone will not pick up. Rather, it will go either straight
to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that the
phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range. It just
doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.

[Darius]

"Martin Taylor" <mjpt57@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:42865f3e.1acc83bb.bm002@gmail.com...
> Michael said....
>
>>> And even then that's not guaranteed. Whenever I ring the missus on her
>>> mobile, it's a lottery as to whether it goes straight to message bank,
>>> or if the phone rings or that I get a Telstra message saying that the
>>> mobile that I'm currently trying to call is out of range. When that
>>> happens I get the option to send it an SMS saying that I tried to call
>>> (call charges will be incurred).
>>
>> User error, you dont sound like you have ALL your diversions set to 101
>
> Not sure what you mean? ALL diversions?
>
> Sometimes the phone will not pick up. Rather, it will go either straight
> to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that the
> phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range. It just
> doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.

Unlike GSM, a CDMA phone will only be polled once, if it misses that, then
it is a missed call and goes to whatever diversion you have in place.
Nokia do not use Qualcomm devices in thier handsets, and cannot be compared
by thier usage side by side to a Kyocera LG or Samsung etc, as they accept
or reject that polling according to different performance criteria, being
quality/strength/persistence of the poll. Signal strength on the handset, as
our usenet resident buff Michael has rightly pointed out elsewhere, is NO
indication of incoming/outgoing call availability on any CDMA phone.

[Keith]

"Martin Taylor" <mjpt57@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:42865f3e.1acc83bb.bm002@gmail.com...
> Michael said....
>
>>> And even then that's not guaranteed. Whenever I ring the missus on her
>>> mobile, it's a lottery as to whether it goes straight to message bank,
>>> or if the phone rings or that I get a Telstra message saying that the
>>> mobile that I'm currently trying to call is out of range. When that
>>> happens I get the option to send it an SMS saying that I tried to call
>>> (call charges will be incurred).
>>
>> User error, you dont sound like you have ALL your diversions set to 101
>
> Not sure what you mean? ALL diversions?
>
> Sometimes the phone will not pick up. Rather, it will go either straight
> to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that the
> phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range. It just
> doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.
>

By all diversions he means no answer, busy, and not reachable (switched off)
(Unconditional diversion not really an issue here)
I agree 'though, there seems to be some fault conditions in which CDMA DOES
NOT divert even when it should, seems like a fault when setting up the call
can result in a "non-diverting" situation.
Just a matter of treating the failure causes a little better.


Keith

[Martin Taylor]

Darius said....

>> to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that the
>> phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range. It
>> just doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.
>
> Unlike GSM, a CDMA phone will only be polled once, if it misses that,

Um. what does this have to do with the missus' mobile not answering?

> then it is a missed call and goes to whatever diversion you have in
> place. Nokia do not use Qualcomm devices in thier handsets, and cannot
> be compared by thier usage side by side to a Kyocera LG or Samsung etc,

My Nokia 2280 generally does not miss calls.

[Darius]

"Martin Taylor" <mjpt57@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Darius said....
>
>>> to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that the
>>> phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range. It
>>> just doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.
>>
>> Unlike GSM, a CDMA phone will only be polled once, if it misses that,
>
> Um. what does this have to do with the missus' mobile not answering?

Ok in laymans terms,
A GSM network will send an incoming call signal a few times to a phone prior
to the user actually hearing thier mobile ring, before giving up.
A CDMA network only does it once. If it misses that one poll for whatever
reason, the person with the cdma phone will swear black and blue it never
rang. Like your "missus".

>
>> then it is a missed call and goes to whatever diversion you have in
>> place. Nokia do not use Qualcomm devices in thier handsets, and cannot
>> be compared by thier usage side by side to a Kyocera LG or Samsung etc,
>
> My Nokia 2280 generally does not miss calls.

Very good. But generally, means that occassionally it does? Without even
ringing at all?

[Steve B.]

Darius said:

>
> "Martin Taylor" <mjpt57@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42870366.2f2334ae.bm000@gmail.com...
>> Darius said....
>>
>>>> to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that the
>>>> phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range. It
>>>> just doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.
>>>
>>> Unlike GSM, a CDMA phone will only be polled once, if it misses that,
>>
>> Um. what does this have to do with the missus' mobile not answering?
>
> Ok in laymans terms,
> A GSM network will send an incoming call signal a few times to a phone prior
> to the user actually hearing thier mobile ring, before giving up.
> A CDMA network only does it once. If it misses that one poll for whatever
> reason, the person with the cdma phone will swear black and blue it never
> rang. Like your "missus".
>
>>
>>> then it is a missed call and goes to whatever diversion you have in
>>> place. Nokia do not use Qualcomm devices in thier handsets, and cannot
>>> be compared by thier usage side by side to a Kyocera LG or Samsung etc,
>>
>> My Nokia 2280 generally does not miss calls.
>
> Very good. But generally, means that occassionally it does? Without even
> ringing at all?

I have a 2280 and work in Belrose, (Sydney north-ish), and, at this
location, I sometimes receive the message telling me I have a voicemail
message, without the phone having rung, i.e. the calls go straight to
message bank. The reception shown by the phone is pretty marginal.

Steve = : ^ )

[Martin Taylor]

Darius said....

>>>> to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that the
>>>> phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range. It
>>>> just doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.
>>>
>>> Unlike GSM, a CDMA phone will only be polled once, if it misses that,
>>
>> Um. what does this have to do with the missus' mobile not answering?
>
> Ok in laymans terms,
> A GSM network will send an incoming call signal a few times to a phone
> prior to the user actually hearing thier mobile ring, before giving up.
> A CDMA network only does it once. If it misses that one poll for
> whatever reason, the person with the cdma phone will swear black and
> blue it never rang. Like your "missus".

I must either be reading your messages wrong, or you're not reading mine
properly.

My wife's mobile is a GSM. A Nokia 6230. Often, when calling it, I get
either message bank, or another message from Telstra saying that it's out
of range and if I want to I can send an SMS to alert that person that I
called. This happens whether I call her from the home phone or from my
mobile (a Nokia 2280 CDMA).

So, why you're talking about CDMA polling once, when the phone in
question is a GSM, I dunno.

[roma]

Darius said....

>>>> to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that the
>>>> phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range. It
>>>> just doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.
>>>
>>> Unlike GSM, a CDMA phone will only be polled once, if it misses that,
>>
>> Um. what does this have to do with the missus' mobile not answering?
>
> Ok in laymans terms,
> A GSM network will send an incoming call signal a few times to a phone
> prior to the user actually hearing thier mobile ring, before giving up.
> A CDMA network only does it once. If it misses that one poll for
> whatever reason, the person with the cdma phone will swear black and
> blue it never rang. Like your "missus".

I must either be reading your messages wrong, or you're not reading mine
properly.

My wife's mobile is a GSM. A Nokia 6230. Often, when calling it, I get
either message bank, or another message from Telstra saying that it's out
of range and if I want to I can send an SMS to alert that person that I
called. This happens whether I call her from the home phone or from my
mobile (a Nokia 2280 CDMA).

So, why you're talking about CDMA polling once, when the phone in
question is a GSM, I dunno.

Basically with the Nokia 6230 (because thats the one your wife has) there are different type of diversions:

1. Divert if busy
2. Divert if not answered
3. Divert if out of reach
4. Divert if not available

For voicemail to always activate all the diversions must be set to voicemail.

Otherwise when she is on the phone you might get a busy signal - aka telstra offering to send an SMS. When the phone rings out it might divert to voicemail while when its switched of it might do something else.

Basically you should make sure all diversions are set to Voicemail. The reason you sometimes dont get voicemail is because one of the above four diversion occurs that isnt set to voicemail. e.g. Divert if Busy

Roma
RSSMobile

[Keith]

"roma" <roma.1p3rok@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
news:roma.1p3rok@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au...
>
> Martin Taylor Wrote:
>> Darius said....
>>
>> >>>> to message bank, or I get a message from Telstra telling me that
>> the
>> >>>> phone's out of range, etc. And meanwhile, the phone IS in range.
>> It
>> >>>> just doesn't answer. It's a Nokia 6230 GSM.
>> >>>
>> >>> Unlike GSM, a CDMA phone will only be polled once, if it misses
>> that,
>> >>
>> >> Um. what does this have to do with the missus' mobile not
>> answering?
>> >
>> > Ok in laymans terms,
>> > A GSM network will send an incoming call signal a few times to a
>> phone
>> > prior to the user actually hearing thier mobile ring, before giving
>> up.
>> > A CDMA network only does it once. If it misses that one poll for
>> > whatever reason, the person with the cdma phone will swear black and
>> > blue it never rang. Like your "missus".
>>
>> I must either be reading your messages wrong, or you're not reading
>> mine
>> properly.
>>
>> My wife's mobile is a GSM. A Nokia 6230. Often, when calling it, I get
>> either message bank, or another message from Telstra saying that it's
>> out
>> of range and if I want to I can send an SMS to alert that person that
>> I
>> called. This happens whether I call her from the home phone or from my
>> mobile (a Nokia 2280 CDMA).
>>
>> So, why you're talking about CDMA polling once, when the phone in
>> question is a GSM, I dunno.
>
> Basically with the Nokia 6230 (because thats the one your wife has)
> there are different type of diversions:
>
> 1. Divert if busy
> 2. Divert if not answered
> 3. Divert if out of reach
> 4. Divert if not available
>
Nope, there is no 3 and 4, only "Not reachable"
Not reachable means -
A: the phone is turned off and the system knows the phone is off.
B: the phone did not respond to a page when called (but the system thought
it was on and available i.e you drove out of range)
C: Something screwed up on call setup, no channels etc (could maybe cause
scenerio 1, just depends)
For all practical purposes that is it....

Keith

[Martin Taylor]

roma said....

> Basically with the Nokia 6230 (because thats the one your wife has)
> there are different type of diversions:
>
> 1. Divert if busy
> 2. Divert if not answered
> 3. Divert if out of reach
> 4. Divert if not available

> For voicemail to always activate all the diversions must be set to
> voicemail.

Yep, that was it. One or two of the diversion options weren't turned on.
They are now. I'll see how it goes over the next few weeks.

Thanks for that.

[Michael]

> > Basically with the Nokia 6230 (because thats the one your wife has)
> > there are different type of diversions:
> >
> > 1. Divert if busy
> > 2. Divert if not answered
> > 3. Divert if out of reach
> > 4. Divert if not available
> >
> Nope, there is no 3 and 4, only "Not reachable"

Crap.

There are three
Call Forward Busy
CFNRY - no reply
CFNRC - not reachable