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[budgie]

On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:31:01 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"budgie" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 14 May 2005 05:03:19 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1115637821.5e9e2e797de17f0e78bc4b1cfd806944@t eranews...
>> >> Have you tried calling the numbers yourself?
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise I am sure Mikey can look it up on whatever system Telstra
>uses
>> >> these days (Leopard?).
>> >
>> >Leopard? Thats the old faults system from over two generations ago?
>> >Surely you have heard of Flexcab?
>>
>> Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time, over-budget, bloated piece of
>accounting
>> crap that makes MicroSloth's operating systems look compact and efficient?
>
>So good that is has been in use for 10 years now, still going strong with no
>replacement plans?

I've got a car like that. Your point?

>Overbudget 10 years ago, long paid for by now.

Agree on both counts.

[Michael]

"budgie" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:36:03 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"budgie" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >news:2uei8198n4qjpkoigmsngl4itl4o41blfk@4ax.com...
> >> On 17 May 2005 02:14:19 +1000, "Kwyjibo."
> >> <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >budgie <me@privacy.net> said
> >> >
> >> >> On 15 May 2005 15:08:42 +1000, "Kwyjibo."
> >> >> <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>budgie <me@privacy.net> said
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Sat, 14 May 2005 05:03:19 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>news:1115637821.5e9e2e797de17f0e78bc4b1cfd806944@t eranews...
> >> >>>>>> Have you tried calling the numbers yourself?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Otherwise I am sure Mikey can look it up on whatever system
Telstra
> >> >>>>>> uses these days (Leopard?).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Leopard? Thats the old faults system from over two generations
ago?
> >> >>>>>Surely you have heard of Flexcab?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chortle! yeah, sure, OK, ......
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Just double checked. Began trials in '93 - live in '94.
> >> >
> >> >Keep laughing, downie.
> >>
> >> It wasn't "running" in 96 - it was still limping. Look up what
'running"
> >really
> >> means. From your apologist posting, you must have been involved in its
> >creation
> >
> >
> >Budgie, lets get it out in the open.
> >
> >Have you ever used Flexcab?
>
> Nope. A mate was a long-time victim of it until he left Tel$tra in 2001.

Let me just say your attitude towards Flexcab is unfounded.

[budgie]

On Sun, 22 May 2005 10:13:34 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>"budgie" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:n10091lml2eikiphq174fc2534j4nf864p@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:36:03 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"budgie" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> >news:2uei8198n4qjpkoigmsngl4itl4o41blfk@4ax.com...
>> >> On 17 May 2005 02:14:19 +1000, "Kwyjibo."
>> >> <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >budgie <me@privacy.net> said
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 15 May 2005 15:08:42 +1000, "Kwyjibo."
>> >> >> <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>budgie <me@privacy.net> said
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Sat, 14 May 2005 05:03:19 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>news:1115637821.5e9e2e797de17f0e78bc4b1cfd806944@t eranews...
>> >> >>>>>> Have you tried calling the numbers yourself?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Otherwise I am sure Mikey can look it up on whatever system
>Telstra
>> >> >>>>>> uses these days (Leopard?).
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Leopard? Thats the old faults system from over two generations
>ago?
>> >> >>>>>Surely you have heard of Flexcab?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chortle! yeah, sure, OK, ......
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Just double checked. Began trials in '93 - live in '94.
>> >> >
>> >> >Keep laughing, downie.
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't "running" in 96 - it was still limping. Look up what
>'running"
>> >really
>> >> means. From your apologist posting, you must have been involved in its
>> >creation
>> >
>> >
>> >Budgie, lets get it out in the open.
>> >
>> >Have you ever used Flexcab?
>>
>> Nope. A mate was a long-time victim of it until he left Tel$tra in 2001.
>
>Let me just say your attitude towards Flexcab is unfounded.

Let's agree to disagree. Hving noted your posts elsewhere, Isuspect you weren't
on it 5 days/week then. In that context I'd surely prefer the mate's version to
yours.

[Kwyjibo.]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said

>
> "Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96579B47914B5dddddd@203.26.24.228...
>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>>
>> >
>> > "thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1115637821.5e9e2e797de17f0e78bc4b1cfd806944@t eranews...
>> >> Have you tried calling the numbers yourself?
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise I am sure Mikey can look it up on whatever system Telstra
> uses
>> >> these days (Leopard?).
>> >
>> > Leopard? Thats the old faults system from over two generations ago?
>>
>> Which was ported to an IBM platform and was still running in early
>> 2000.........
>
> What platform was it on before? Bull?
>

Yep.
Ported in 1999 (even though it was in mothballs) as the S*P team weren't
fully trusted to get their system Y2K compliant.



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[Kwyjibo.]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said

>> > Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
>>
>> Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
>>
>> > over-budget,
>>
>> Nope.
>
> I heard it was.

Probably over the initial estimates, but not over the official quoted amount.



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[Michael]

"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>
> >
> > "Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns96579B47914B5dddddd@203.26.24.228...
> >> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1115637821.5e9e2e797de17f0e78bc4b1cfd806944@t eranews...
> >> >> Have you tried calling the numbers yourself?
> >> >>
> >> >> Otherwise I am sure Mikey can look it up on whatever system Telstra
> > uses
> >> >> these days (Leopard?).
> >> >
> >> > Leopard? Thats the old faults system from over two generations ago?
> >>
> >> Which was ported to an IBM platform and was still running in early
> >> 2000.........
> >
> > What platform was it on before? Bull?
> >
>
> Yep.
> Ported in 1999 (even though it was in mothballs) as the S*P team weren't
> fully trusted to get their system Y2K compliant.

Yeah I think RASS-P was an old Bull system too.

[Michael]

"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>
> >> > Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
> >>
> >> Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
> >>
> >> > over-budget,
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >
> > I heard it was.
>
> Probably over the initial estimates, but not over the official quoted
amount.

And its no big deal anyway, as its 2005.
Budgie is just stuck in the past

[budgie]

On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:21:11 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns965FD4CE5CFF8dddddd@203.26.24.228...
>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>>
>> >> > Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
>> >>
>> >> Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
>> >>
>> >> > over-budget,
>> >>
>> >> Nope.
>> >
>> > I heard it was.
>>
>> Probably over the initial estimates, but not over the official quoted
>amount.
>
>And its no big deal anyway, as its 2005.
>Budgie is just stuck in the past

Typical Tel$tra apologist. Always trying to re-write history, or deny it.

[Kwyjibo.]

budgie <me@privacy.net> said

> On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:21:11 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xns965FD4CE5CFF8dddddd@203.26.24.228...
>>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>>>
>>> >> > Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
>>> >>
>>> >> Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
>>> >>
>>> >> > over-budget,
>>> >>
>>> >> Nope.
>>> >
>>> > I heard it was.
>>>
>>> Probably over the initial estimates, but not over the official quoted
>>amount.
>>
>>And its no big deal anyway, as its 2005.
>>Budgie is just stuck in the past
>
> Typical Tel$tra apologist. Always trying to re-write history, or deny
it.
>

Do you even understand how new system development is initiated, fuckwit?

An example would go something like this:
Someone decides "We need a new system to perform xxxx function- I reckon it
will cost about $5 million"
They get approval to go to tender.
Tender process is undertaken and bids come in from various vendors at
around $10 million.
That someone then goes back to their superiors with pricing. If it's
approved the work goes ahead. If not, it's knocked on the head.

Although the final price could be double what was estimated, that does not
mean it's over budget. It simply means that the initial estimates were
optimistic. Estimates are not budgets.

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[Kwyjibo.]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said

>
> "Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns965FD498C9DA5dddddd@203.26.24.228...
>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>>
>> >
>> > "Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in
message
>> > news:Xns96579B47914B5dddddd@203.26.24.228...
>> >> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > "thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:1115637821.5e9e2e797de17f0e78bc4b1cfd806944@t eranews...
>> >> >> Have you tried calling the numbers yourself?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Otherwise I am sure Mikey can look it up on whatever system
Telstra
>> > uses
>> >> >> these days (Leopard?).
>> >> >
>> >> > Leopard? Thats the old faults system from over two generations ago?
>> >>
>> >> Which was ported to an IBM platform and was still running in early
>> >> 2000.........
>> >
>> > What platform was it on before? Bull?
>> >
>>
>> Yep.
>> Ported in 1999 (even though it was in mothballs) as the S*P team weren't
>> fully trusted to get their system Y2K compliant.
>
> Yeah I think RASS-P was an old Bull system too.
>

Yep.
DCRIS, CABS (I think), LEOPARD, FACS, RASS-P, RASS-M and HORIZON were the
main ones.


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[budgie]

On 24 May 2005 19:26:22 +1000, "Kwyjibo."
<Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote:

>budgie <me@privacy.net> said
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:21:11 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns965FD4CE5CFF8dddddd@203.26.24.228...
>>>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>>>>
>>>> >> > Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > over-budget,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Nope.
>>>> >
>>>> > I heard it was.
>>>>
>>>> Probably over the initial estimates, but not over the official quoted
>>>amount.
>>>
>>>And its no big deal anyway, as its 2005.
>>>Budgie is just stuck in the past
>>
>> Typical Tel$tra apologist. Always trying to re-write history, or deny
>it.
>>
>
>Do you even understand how new system development is initiated, fuckwit?

yes, i do, fuckwit.

>An example would go something like this:
>Someone decides "We need a new system to perform xxxx function- I reckon it
>will cost about $5 million"
>They get approval to go to tender.
>Tender process is undertaken and bids come in from various vendors at
>around $10 million.
>That someone then goes back to their superiors with pricing. If it's
>approved the work goes ahead. If not, it's knocked on the head.
>
>Although the final price could be double what was estimated, that does not
>mean it's over budget. It simply means that the initial estimates were
>optimistic. Estimates are not budgets.

And when the final price is $20M and the product is two years past its promised
delivery date before it is signed off, what do YOU call it?

Most people call that over time and over budget.

Fuckwit!

[Kwyjibo.]

budgie <me@privacy.net> said

> On 24 May 2005 19:26:22 +1000, "Kwyjibo."
> <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote:
>
>>budgie <me@privacy.net> said
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:21:11 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in
>>>>message news:Xns965FD4CE5CFF8dddddd@203.26.24.228...
>>>>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>>>>>
>>>>> >> > Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > over-budget,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Nope.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I heard it was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably over the initial estimates, but not over the official
>>>>> quoted
>>>>amount.
>>>>
>>>>And its no big deal anyway, as its 2005.
>>>>Budgie is just stuck in the past
>>>
>>> Typical Tel$tra apologist. Always trying to re-write history, or deny
>>it.
>>>
>>
>>Do you even understand how new system development is initiated, fuckwit?
>
> yes, i do, fuckwit.
>

You are clearly a liar or delusional.

>>An example would go something like this:
>>Someone decides "We need a new system to perform xxxx function- I reckon
>>it will cost about $5 million"
>>They get approval to go to tender.
>>Tender process is undertaken and bids come in from various vendors at
>>around $10 million.
>>That someone then goes back to their superiors with pricing. If it's
>>approved the work goes ahead. If not, it's knocked on the head.
>>
>>Although the final price could be double what was estimated, that does
>>not mean it's over budget. It simply means that the initial estimates
>>were optimistic. Estimates are not budgets.
>
> And when the final price is $20M and the product is two years past its
> promised delivery date before it is signed off, what do YOU call it?
>
> Most people call that over time and over budget.
>

Correct, it would be over time and over budget, but we were talking about
Flexcab which was delivered on time and on budget.

> Fuckwit!

ROFL. Not too bright, are you.

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[budgie]

On 25 May 2005 00:13:09 +1000, "Kwyjibo."
<Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote:

>budgie <me@privacy.net> said
>
>> On 24 May 2005 19:26:22 +1000, "Kwyjibo."
>> <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote:
>>
>>>budgie <me@privacy.net> said
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:21:11 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in
>>>>>message news:Xns965FD4CE5CFF8dddddd@203.26.24.228...
>>>>>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > Flexcab? Isn't that the over-time,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Nope. It's been running since about 1996 IIRC.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > over-budget,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Nope.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I heard it was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably over the initial estimates, but not over the official
>>>>>> quoted
>>>>>amount.
>>>>>
>>>>>And its no big deal anyway, as its 2005.
>>>>>Budgie is just stuck in the past
>>>>
>>>> Typical Tel$tra apologist. Always trying to re-write history, or deny
>>>it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Do you even understand how new system development is initiated, fuckwit?
>>
>> yes, i do, fuckwit.
>>
>
>You are clearly a liar or delusional.
>
>>>An example would go something like this:
>>>Someone decides "We need a new system to perform xxxx function- I reckon
>>>it will cost about $5 million"
>>>They get approval to go to tender.
>>>Tender process is undertaken and bids come in from various vendors at
>>>around $10 million.
>>>That someone then goes back to their superiors with pricing. If it's
>>>approved the work goes ahead. If not, it's knocked on the head.
>>>
>>>Although the final price could be double what was estimated, that does
>>>not mean it's over budget. It simply means that the initial estimates
>>>were optimistic. Estimates are not budgets.
>>
>> And when the final price is $20M and the product is two years past its
>> promised delivery date before it is signed off, what do YOU call it?
>>
>> Most people call that over time and over budget.
>>
>
>Correct, it would be over time and over budget, but we were talking about
>Flexcab which was delivered on time and on budget.


Now who's delusional?
>
>> Fuckwit!
>
>ROFL. Not too bright, are you.

[Michael]

> >> Yep.
> >> Ported in 1999 (even though it was in mothballs) as the S*P team
weren't
> >> fully trusted to get their system Y2K compliant.
> >
> > Yeah I think RASS-P was an old Bull system too.
> >
>
> Yep.
> DCRIS, CABS (I think), LEOPARD, FACS, RASS-P, RASS-M and HORIZON were the
> main ones.

What did FACS and HORIZON do?
Familar with the rest

[acalcium]

Kwyjibo. wrote:
> Correct, it would be over time and over budget, but we were talking about
> Flexcab which was delivered on time and on budget.

This is not the Phoenix project is it?

[Kwyjibo.]

acalcium <acalcium@aol.com> said

> Kwyjibo. wrote:
>> Correct, it would be over time and over budget, but we were talking about
>> Flexcab which was delivered on time and on budget.
>
> This is not the Phoenix project is it?
>

Nope. Nothing to do with Phoenix.


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[Kwyjibo.]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said

>> >> Yep.
>> >> Ported in 1999 (even though it was in mothballs) as the S*P team
> weren't
>> >> fully trusted to get their system Y2K compliant.
>> >
>> > Yeah I think RASS-P was an old Bull system too.
>> >
>>
>> Yep.
>> DCRIS, CABS (I think), LEOPARD, FACS, RASS-P, RASS-M and HORIZON were the
>> main ones.
>
> What did FACS

FACS was ported to IBM virtually unchanged and renamed to NPAMS - Used to be
an acronym for Frame and Cable System.

> and HORIZON do?

PABX sales and maintenance before S*P.


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[Michael]

"Kwyjibo." <Kwyjibo@YourFingerFromThatDykeozdebate.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said
>
> >> >> Yep.
> >> >> Ported in 1999 (even though it was in mothballs) as the S*P team
> > weren't
> >> >> fully trusted to get their system Y2K compliant.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah I think RASS-P was an old Bull system too.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yep.
> >> DCRIS, CABS (I think), LEOPARD, FACS, RASS-P, RASS-M and HORIZON were
the
> >> main ones.
> >
> > What did FACS
>
> FACS was ported to IBM virtually unchanged and renamed to NPAMS - Used to
be
> an acronym for Frame and Cable System.

Cheers
NPAMS - love the esoteric screen names. Give me a JE30 anyday

[cwaiggie]

> >> Otherwise I am sure Mikey can look it up on whatever system Telstra
uses
> >> these days (Leopard?).
> >
> > Leopard? Thats the old faults system from over two generations ago?
>
> Which was ported to an IBM platform and was still running in early
> 2000.........

Yeah but its two generations ago.
Service Plus came next and then whatever they use now. Siiam?

Yep, SIIAM, ahhh, slow and unrelaible SIIAM, came in to full service in 2004 but still going down on average once every two weeks. not bad for a systemwe where told would never go down! Bring back S*P I say!

[Ext User(Michael)]

"cwaiggie" <cwaiggie.23pgog@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> > >> Otherwise I am sure Mikey can look it up on whatever system
> Telstra
> uses
> > >> these days (Leopard?).
> > >
> > > Leopard? Thats the old faults system from over two generations
> ago?
> >
> > Which was ported to an IBM platform and was still running in early
> > 2000.........
>
> Yeah but its two generations ago.
> Service Plus came next and then whatever they use now. Siiam?
>
> Yep, SIIAM, ahhh, slow and unrelaible SIIAM, came in to full service in
> 2004 but still going down on average once every two weeks. not bad for a
> systemwe where told would never go down! Bring back S*P I say!

S*P is still around, if you look hard enough. Its still used to process data
b/w two intermediary systems.

FYI how old is this post ?!

No one ever guaranteed SIIAM wouldnt go down. The vendor has an SLA anyway,
they pay $$$ when they dont meet the SLA