eBay Warning

[Full]

Hi All.

I placed a bid on a car in an eBay auction.
The auction finished, and all bids were under the reserve.
*** No sale.***


A few days later I received an email telling me the winner did not
show so the writer is now inviting me to buy at my bid price.

I sent a reply saying I am interested.

The next email caused alarm when it wanted me to send more details
and they well deliver the car. No personal pick up.

I bet the next email would include payment details into a bank account
to secure the sale.

By luck the seller had shown his phone number in the auction
so I called him.

** He was very clear.
There was no offer to sell below the reserve. **

A nice scam by some criminal as by the time the buyer realises they
cars is not coming this person has cleaned up big time.
He will waste days harassing the original seller before realising that
he was ripped off by somoen else.

In the auction I was involved with there were 8 other people bidding.
Even if he only got one sucker that's a few thousand dollars
for doing nothing. Trouble is, for a few grand no Police force
would be interested in looking into it.

As this transaction was conducted out side of eBay they also wont
help.

Be aware and if he has a go at you let ebay know.

Bye Waz.

[Michael C]

"Full" <xxx000auREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> A nice scam by some criminal as by the time the buyer realises they
> cars is not coming this person has cleaned up big time.
> He will waste days harassing the original seller before realising that
> he was ripped off by somoen else.

Gee, a scam where someone contacts you outside the standard ebay channels,
who would have thought. :-)

Michael

[Greg Stewart]

"Full" <xxx000auREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hi All.
>
> I placed a bid on a car in an eBay auction.
> The auction finished, and all bids were under the reserve.
> *** No sale.***
>
>
> A few days later I received an email telling me the winner did not
> show so the writer is now inviting me to buy at my bid price.
>
> I sent a reply saying I am interested.
>
> The next email caused alarm when it wanted me to send more details
> and they well deliver the car. No personal pick up.
>
> I bet the next email would include payment details into a bank account
> to secure the sale.
>
> By luck the seller had shown his phone number in the auction
> so I called him.
>
> ** He was very clear.
> There was no offer to sell below the reserve. **

A bit of common sense has to apply when dealing on ebay.. Ebay themselves
are very clear about not accepting deals outside the normal system.

My favourite car scam is the one where the aution says the car is in Aust.
but when questioned they say it will be shipped from "(add some small
european/asian/south american town here)"..

[Full]

On Thu, 12 May 2005 20:33:42 +1000, "Greg Stewart"
<gstewart@bigpond.com> wrote:

>
>A bit of common sense has to apply when dealing on ebay.. Ebay themselves
>are very clear about not accepting deals outside the normal system.
>
>My favourite car scam is the one where the aution says the car is in Aust.
>but when questioned they say it will be shipped from "(add some small
>european/asian/south american town here)"..
Me to.
Mine was from Italy and if I sent him the $7,000 for his BA falcon
he was even willing to pay the shipping charge. Just pay him now.
I sure am a lucky guy to find someone who would do that for me.

I am not a beliver of eBays claims of protection.

To be honest I think they make a song and dance about not buying out
of their system because if you do they cant get a sales fee.

I wonder if you did put in a claim say for $15,000 if they would pay
it. I bet the more you asked the more reasons they would find not to
pay.

I issued my warning as although I also detected the con at times other
people dont.

This is why you sometimes see a item on the news about so and so
con artist and when we do I say how on earth did the person fall for
it. Unfortuntly because there is 1 in a million who does fall for it
we will always have these people.
The internet makes it easer as they can set up a computer to
do the work for them,

Bye Waz

[Mark H]

> I am not a beliver of eBays claims of protection.
>
> To be honest I think they make a song and dance about not buying out
> of their system because if you do they cant get a sales fee.
>
> I wonder if you did put in a claim say for $15,000 if they would pay
> it. I bet the more you asked the more reasons they would find not to
> pay.

Forget about ever getting cash back from eBay.

After you have printed all your evidence, sent it registered mail to the US,
and waited a month for them to open a case, all the "seller" has to do, (in
my experience buying a monitor with a large boothole in the front) is say it
was fine when it was sent, or that they gave you a refund.

The seller refunded $20 to me, provided this "reciept" to eBay (<1kb of
plain text in an email that may or may not have been legitimate), and they
closed their case and failed to respond to future emails.

(Freight on said monitor was $60, according to the seller. And he wouldn't
accept pickup by a courier of my choice.)

Experience, i suppose.

-mark

[roma]

> I am not a beliver of eBays claims of protection.
>
> To be honest I think they make a song and dance about not buying out
> of their system because if you do they cant get a sales fee.
>
> I wonder if you did put in a claim say for $15,000 if they would pay
> it. I bet the more you asked the more reasons they would find not to
> pay.

Forget about ever getting cash back from eBay.

After you have printed all your evidence, sent it registered mail to the US,
and waited a month for them to open a case, all the "seller" has to do, (in
my experience buying a monitor with a large boothole in the front) is say it
was fine when it was sent, or that they gave you a refund.

The seller refunded $20 to me, provided this "reciept" to eBay (<1kb of
plain text in an email that may or may not have been legitimate), and they
closed their case and failed to respond to future emails.

(Freight on said monitor was $60, according to the seller. And he wouldn't
accept pickup by a courier of my choice.)

Experience, i suppose.

-mark


You always have to be careful with ebay. Apparently however if you pay with paypal you get paypal protection as well. Dont know how well that works, but your also paying from your credit card so you have 3 people looking out for you.
1 Ebay - probably useless
2 PayPal - dont know
3 Creditcard company/Bank - usually useful if you can get through to them

Roma
RSSMobile

---
The above is my opinion only and is correct to my knowledge.

[Full]

On Thu, 12 May 2005 22:55:13 +1000, roma
<roma.1ox6n1@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote:

>You always have to be careful with ebay. Apparently however if you pay
>with paypal you get paypal protection as well. Dont know how well that
>works, but your also paying from your credit card so you have 3 people
>looking out for you.
>1 Ebay - probably useless
>2 PayPal - dont know
>3 Creditcard company/Bank - usually useful if you can get through to
>them
>
>Roma
>RSSMobile
>
>---
>The above is my opinion only and is correct to my knowledge.

Yes the wonderful three levels of protection;
Yet my question was how reliable will any level of protection be
should something go wrong?

I do know from experience that the Credit Cards will honour their
pledge to protect you. My claim was for $30.
But what if the claim was for $15,000?

As for eBay and PayPal??
What is the access/service fee for PayPal.
50c here a dollar there all ads up fast.
My bet is by the time you get usage from their protection you
will in fact be getting your own money back.

Now days I steer clear of sellers (for items above $100) who says
" no pick ups, delivery only."
Its either I pick up and pay at the same time or I keep my money.

Bye Waz

[Fraser Johnston]

"roma" <roma.1ox6n1@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Mark H Wrote:
>> > I am not a beliver of eBays claims of protection.
>> >
>> > To be honest I think they make a song and dance about not buying out
>> > of their system because if you do they cant get a sales fee.
>> >
>> > I wonder if you did put in a claim say for $15,000 if they would pay
>> > it. I bet the more you asked the more reasons they would find not
>> to
>> > pay.
>>
>> Forget about ever getting cash back from eBay.
>>
>> After you have printed all your evidence, sent it registered mail to
>> the US,
>> and waited a month for them to open a case, all the "seller" has to do,
>> (in
>> my experience buying a monitor with a large boothole in the front) is
>> say it
>> was fine when it was sent, or that they gave you a refund.
>>
>> The seller refunded $20 to me, provided this "reciept" to eBay (<1kb
>> of
>> plain text in an email that may or may not have been legitimate), and
>> they
>> closed their case and failed to respond to future emails.
>>
>> (Freight on said monitor was $60, according to the seller. And he
>> wouldn't
>> accept pickup by a courier of my choice.)
>>
>> Experience, i suppose.
>>
>> -mark
>
>
> You always have to be careful with ebay. Apparently however if you pay
> with paypal you get paypal protection as well. Dont know how well that
> works, but your also paying from your credit card so you have 3 people
> looking out for you.
> 1 Ebay - probably useless
> 2 PayPal - dont know
> 3 Creditcard company/Bank - usually useful if you can get through to
> them


Pay pal are fucking useless.

Fraser

[Diesel Damo]

Full wrote:
> " no pick ups, delivery only."

Do you get much of that on eBay? I've never bought anything on eBay or
even looked at it, but I would've thought most sellers would rather
take the easier option of someone coming to pick it up.

If I saw "delivery only", I'd be curious to know why they want to do it
the hard way (for them).

[Michael C]

"Diesel Damo" <Diesel_4WD@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Do you get much of that on eBay? I've never bought anything on eBay or
> even looked at it, but I would've thought most sellers would rather
> take the easier option of someone coming to pick it up.
>
> If I saw "delivery only", I'd be curious to know why they want to do it
> the hard way (for them).

You get a lot of it and it is mostly genuine or at the worst a small lie.
Once they get a business up and running it's just easier for them to post
it. The customer is paying for postage and it's just easier to wack it in
the post than have to wait for a customer who might be late or want to
yabber a bit too much. The other reason is for people who work from home and
want to pretend they are a bigger company. You probably also get people
doing it for security, if you did it a lot you wouldn't really want a
constant stream of people going to your house you didn't know. Whatever the
reason it doesn't worry me in the slightest, the cons are pretty easy to
pick up on anyway. One thing I do is look through a persons feedback, if
they've got negative that is marked "feedback mutually withdrawn" then I
know they are willing to resolve any problems.

Michael

[athol]

Diesel Damo <Diesel_4WD@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Full wrote:
>> " no pick ups, delivery only."

> Do you get much of that on eBay?

In the stuff I've bought and/or looked at buying, it's often the
opposite. For example, no carrier (aus post or courier) will carry an
LPG tank unless it has been drained and purged with nitrogen. Most
eBay sellers wouldn't have a clue how to do that, so can only do
pickup.

If I saw a car ad that didn't specify "pick up only", I'd be suspicious.

> I've never bought anything on eBay or
> even looked at it, but I would've thought most sellers would rather
> take the easier option of someone coming to pick it up.

I've sold a small number of car parts. With bigger bits, pickup is
really the only easy way - too much of a PITA to package an L88 bonnet
scoop, for example. OTOH, packing a Volvo tacho and a Volvo vacuum
gauge into a small box and posting it to Melbourne isn't a problem...

> If I saw "delivery only", I'd be curious to know why they want to do it
> the hard way (for them).

Some of these sellers have a full-time job elsewhere and do this as a
sideline. They do all of their online stuff at night, and I've seen at
least one who says that items are posted on Friday afternoons - IOW, they
get off work early on Fridays and post the stuff then.

For a lot of people, eBay is their showroom - they don't even have a room
in their house to display the stuff and wouldn't want someone coming to
pick it up...

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[kevcat]

Diesel Damo wrote:
>
> Full wrote:
> > " no pick ups, delivery only."
>
> Do you get much of that on eBay? I've never bought anything on eBay or
> even looked at it, but I would've thought most sellers would rather
> take the easier option of someone coming to pick it up.
>
> If I saw "delivery only", I'd be curious to know why they want to do it
> the hard way (for them).


I've bought stuff from sellers who keep their stuff at self storage
places, so it wouldn't be very convenient to do pickups from there
also privacy is a big thing, if you sell lots of stuff you don't want
unknown people coming and going

I bought this computer from a guy at Kalangur, I picked it up myself but
if I were him I wouldn't be letting anyone near there, he had tens of
thousands of dollars worth of computer gear stacked in a 20x30 shed up
the back of his property, no bars on the windows and just the standard
shed door lock, but most of his stuff is sent by courier

I've sold and bought plenty of things from Ebay
bought my Landcruiser off Ebay, $26,000, however I would not even dream
of doing that without actually seeing it in person and checking out it's
credentials first

and so far I have only been done for $21 for a DVD, the guy had been
trading for 2 years and all of a sudden he just dumps his account and
makes off with a few hundred dollars


Kev