Difference between buying region1 and region4 dvd

[Avenger]

recently i bought a six feet under season 1 dvd in australia (region 4), the back cover shows that the runtime of the dvd is 693mins, but then when i checked the amazon.com dvds i noticed that the runtime of region 1 six feet under dvd is actually 780mins!!! :eek: which means if the runtime displays on the back cover is correct, the australia version of the Six Feet Under has been heavily edited, they have erased over 80 mins from the orginally version! then i started to compare other dvds which is MA+ rated in australia such as Sex And The City, this is what i found:

Sex And The City:
season 2 region1 : 540mins region 4: 461mins
season 3&4: region1 : 540mins region 4: 514mins

Six Feet Under:
season 1 region1: 780mins region 4: 693mins
season 2 region1: 780mins region 4: 726mins

Nip/tuck:
season 1 region1: 638mins region 4: 608mins

Sex and the city in US dvd is R rated, which means not suitable for under 18, but in australia it is MA+, not suitable for under 15, so i guess the australia version may have been edited? :confused:

this also happened to other dvds as well such as oc, simpsons, family guy,.......in some dvds the special features that included in region1 r not even available in region 4....... :mad:

so i wonder is there anybody can confirm it is true? coz if i'm a fan of six feet under i surely dont want to buy a region 4 dvd with over 80mins scenes erased from the region1 version...... :mad:

[Drifter]

Here is a link to a site that compares the stats (inc. any cuts) for all r1, r2 and r4 DVD Box Sets of Six Feet Under: comparison (http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=3590) They have comparisons for Vol. 2 also accessed via their comparison search option.

US NTSC r1 DVDs run at slightly different speeds in the US that r4 PAL DVDs here, thus there are slight running time differences but 80 mins does seem a lot. Error? Sometimes stated running times may (or may not) include the length of special features in addition to actual movie/programme content. Anyway, the above link should help out. :)

[Avenger]

Thx for the link dvd Drifter thats what i'm looking for!!!! :D now i feel much better although i still dont understand why there is 80mins difference on the back cover but that link generally answered my questions!! big thx! :p :p

[ChrisX]

Here is a link to a site that compares the stats (inc. any cuts) for all r1, r2 and r4 DVD Box Sets of Six Feet Under: comparison (http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=3590) They have comparisons for Vol. 2 also accessed via their comparison search option.

US NTSC r1 DVDs run at slightly different speeds in the US that r4 PAL DVDs here, thus there are slight running time differences but 80 mins does seem a lot. Error? Sometimes stated running times may (or may not) include the length of special features in addition to actual movie/programme content. Anyway, the above link should help out. :)

The US NTSC color system is a factor too.

The picture frame rate is different as it is at 30 fps and PAL is at 25 fps.
Their TV resolution is 525 lines compared to PAL as 625 lines.

When look at the these factors as this and this is why the NTSC version is longer than ours.

This doesn't neccesarily mean that our version as edited and really it the number of frames being cut out making the TV series shorter on ours.

[dvd_beetle]

This doesn't neccesarily mean that our version as edited and really it the number of frames being cut out making the TV series shorter on ours.None of the frames are cut out of film - and with true 30fps NTSC material, it can be converted to 25fps PAL without changing the run-time. Unfortunately you have to drop every 6th field, but it's still smoother than the Film-to-NTSC 3:2 pulldown. Dropping frames doesn't make it play faster. Playing 24 fps at 25fsp does that.

[ChrisX]

None of the frames are cut out of film - and with true 30fps NTSC material, it can be converted to 25fps PAL without changing the run-time. Unfortunately you have to drop every 6th field, but it's still smoother than the Film-to-NTSC 3:2 pulldown. Dropping frames doesn't make it play faster. Playing 24 fps at 25fsp does that.

On an NTSC version of a film is usually a little longer,as 5-10 minutes extra time due to that color system. The film run-times are affected.

It does have that affect and not only on that some Australian released films are edited due to our censorship requirements too.

I've noticed that on some R1 DVD do include the extra features on the length too. :rolling:

Converting a US NTSC TV series to PAL DVD is a much more complex business too.

[dvd_beetle]

You have to remember though, that most of the time TV Series are shot in 24fps anyway. If by "5-10" minutes longer due to NTSC's colour system you're referring to the 29.97fps... well you're technically wrong. Movies in NTSC are slowed down (approximately) 0.100100000027%; in PAL they're sped up 4%. The NTSC frame rate at 29.97 as opposed to 30 fps makes almost no difference to the actual runtime. The actual frame rate is approximately 29.970029961904761904761904761905fps. In the original NTSC specification it was 30fps; but changed to allow for colour broadcast. What this means in terms of minutes is so slight it is but a speck compared to PAL. For a two hour movie it'll take less than 8 seconds longer to play than at the original speed. So yes it is a little longer, but not by what you're claming. But for PAL the difference is huge. 4% is by anyone's standard a significant difference. A 2 hour movie will play at 1 hour, 55 minutes and 12 seconds - a difference of 4 minutes and 48 seconds.

With that said, there are movies shot in 25fps that don't play back faster on PAL TV's. And with a 2:2:3:2:3 pulldown for NTSC it'll look even worse than the standard 2:3 pulldown (they can also slow the movie down 4.1ish% to 23.976ish fps and apply the traditional 2:3 pulldown - which is not common practise, or use field interpolation - which unfortunately is the only other decent alternative).

Either way, and even though the NTSC standard is a horrid horrid thing; the system is not the cause of movies or TV shows playing at different speeds. We should be grateful, though, that in Australia while we can watch NTSC movies with the horrid pulldown, we have never had to experience the disgusting colours that occur when the signal is broadcast.

[ChrisX]

You have to remember though, that most of the time TV Series are shot in 24fps anyway. If by "5-10" minutes longer due to NTSC's colour system you're referring to the 29.97fps... well you're technically wrong.
Either way, and even though the NTSC standard is a horrid horrid thing; the system is not the cause of movies or TV shows playing at different speeds. We should be grateful, though, that in Australia while we can watch NTSC movies with the horrid pulldown, we have never had to experience the disgusting colours that occur when the signal is broadcast.

You're wrong, the colour TV system differences on NTSC and PAL does have affect on the run time of the movie or the TV series.

The PAL is 25 fps and NTSC is 29.97 fps, this in frames per seconds and nothing to do with speed.

I have experienced and compared so many movies from NTSC R1 version to our own PAL R4 version.

There are differences in the length on just about every movie title, comparing the PAL version to the NTSC version, it is usually 5-10 minutes longer playing the NTSC version. :PI

I don't have any problem playing NTSC color at home and considered brighter and better than PAL. The only issue is interlacing due to the 525 lines of picture compared with PAL as 625 lines of picture.

[dvd_beetle]

But there's no "extra time" due to the NTSC colour system. Ever. Except for the 0.1% difference due to the 29.97fps which equates to 8 seconds in 2 hours. PAL is the system that changes the length of playback; because it's plays 24fps film 4% faster. The colour bandwidth on ntsc is just plain wrong. It does the job and works fine until broadcast; when it is broadcast the frequency is not strong enough against the picture and sound frequencies; which in turn pushes the hues. Like when you turn on your microwave and it interferes with the TV broadcast.

So again, your claim that the NTSC colour system is the blame is completely wrong, PAL is to blame - no other colour system. And I might add I have read the most biased of websites with PAL vs NTSC... I remember one written by a yank rattling on about the differences in PAL and NTSC DVD's. He said how the PAL version is the wrong speed, and that there's more flicker because it refreshes slowly - he then highlighted the strong point of NTSC - that it plays at the same speed; and concluded saying that because PAL needs more lines to be encoded it will look worse due to higher compression. It's the kind of strawman argument an idiot would make to show non-anamorphic DVD's are higher quality.

Really he had lied - the extra lines of resolution translate into better picture quality. The extra colour bandwidth translates into better hues and more stable saturation. The absence of any filed repetition pulldown translates into smooth, crisp, jitterless playback and in many instances films were shot in 25 fps not 24 anyway. And you can still watch it 24 fps Progressive. And as for the flicker, has he heard of 100 Hertz TV's? That's LESS flicker than NTSC! But he wanted to defend "his" TV system over a more superior system.

NTSC material plays at the correct speed. NTSC doesn't offer any other advantages over PAL whatsoever (except flicker where using a 50 hertz monitor); so please just let them have it.

Let me explain one other thing. Some DVD players will offer a choice to play NTSC movies in "PAL 60" which most Australian TV's accept. If you have this option, use it. It is not the same data as NTSC. The sound is the same and so is the monochrome video (for the main part). However the colour bandwidth is PAL's; which holds more detailed information (more data) ergo it is higher quality than the standard NTSC signal. The hues will be significantly better, and saturation levels will be more natural compared to the NTSC signal.

[ChrisX]

But there's no "extra time" due to the NTSC colour system. Ever.

You're wrong and have a look at these:

Braveheart: R1 177mins R4 171mins

Clockwork Orange: R1 137m R4 131m

Cobra: R1 87m R4 83m

Last of the Mohicans: R1 117m R4 113m

Wild Butch: R1 145m R4 138m


Of course there are extra times on viewing R1 NTSC movie as this is normal comparing to our own releases.

They're normally longer by something like 5-10 minutes and depending on the title release.

Some of these titles above are modified in Australia and this is editing here too.

There is an interest that 'Eyes Wide Shut' is modified in the USA as in one part superimposed and here as shown in full on that part, despite that the US release is longer than our release of that film. Can you explain that?

You don't have to agree with me and I saying comparing NTSC/PAL color systems do make a difference on the feature length time.

This is due differences in frames per second with the film and in some cases from NTSC TV show.

I don't play NTSC on a PAL conversion. It is as NTSC as it is NTSC on the TV.

My Sony TV is multisystem and my DVD player is multi region as no problem bringing them to Australia to play here. :dD

I am not blaming any TV color system and no problem on NTSC DVD or PAL DVD on my TV.

It is just that interlacing on NTSC is the issue and the color is better on R1 US released DVDs.

Enjoy the films on DVD is the way to go.

[dvd_beetle]

For the last time it's PAL that changes the speed, not NTSC. The NTSC colour system is not to blame, PAL is.

Said another way: NTSC is the same speed as it was in theaters.

[thornton melon]

C'mon guys.who really gives a shit! enjoy the bloody movie