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Neville Interesting
24-05-2005, 07:03 PM
clearly most of the guys in the house are circumcised?

Chriz
24-05-2005, 07:13 PM
Once upon a time Neville Interesting decided to write:

> clearly most of the guys in the house are circumcised?

Heh. Poor buggers.

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franky
24-05-2005, 07:33 PM
"Chriz" <chrizizhereALL_YOUR_HARDWARE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Once upon a time Neville Interesting decided to write:
>
> > clearly most of the guys in the house are circumcised?
>
> Heh. Poor buggers.
>

whys that smegma breath ?

Claude
24-05-2005, 08:13 PM
> whys that smegma breath ?

Because, while not as extreme, it is analogous to a clitorectomy. It
reduces sensitivity.

reg-john
24-05-2005, 08:53 PM
no analogous to a clitorectomy would be to cut the entire head off the
penis...seriously, get a clue.


"Claude" <Claude@claude.com> wrote in message
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>> whys that smegma breath ?
>
> Because, while not as extreme, it is analogous to a clitorectomy. It
> reduces sensitivity.
>
>

ShazWozza
24-05-2005, 09:23 PM
reg-john wrote:

> no analogous to a clitorectomy would be to cut the entire head off the
> penis...seriously, get a clue.
>

Where is that retarded sexual deviant Serialpest?
He/it/she would have extensive hands on knowlege of this topic.

Damien McBain
24-05-2005, 10:24 PM
"Claude" <Claude@claude.com> wrote in message
news:5dCke.13674$E7.3868@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> whys that smegma breath ?
>
> Because, while not as extreme, it is analogous to a clitorectomy. It
> reduces sensitivity.

Works for me. Who needs more sensitivity? It goes quick enough as it is.

Beautiful Femur
25-05-2005, 04:23 AM
Neville Interesting wrote:

> clearly most of the guys in the house are circumcised?
>
>

you could tell? i'm pissed off that they spent so much time showing
tits and next to none showing what we all want to see - COCK!

Gonz
25-05-2005, 08:03 AM
> clearly most of the guys in the house are circumcised?

I am a bit worried about you neville, studying all them cocks for so long?

Chris
25-05-2005, 11:03 AM
"ShazWozza" <shaz_wozza@elementspring.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$pdozgi$i3v1$1@elise.onthenet.com.au ...
> reg-john wrote:
>
> > no analogous to a clitorectomy would be to cut the entire head off the
> > penis...seriously, get a clue.
> >
>
> Where is that retarded sexual deviant Serialpest?
> He/it/she would have extensive hands on knowlege of this topic.

He should have. Do a Google on him, and you WILL find he frequents
aus.circumcision newsgroup!

Chriz
25-05-2005, 11:43 AM
Once upon a time Beautiful Femur decided to write:

> Neville Interesting wrote:
>
>> clearly most of the guys in the house are circumcised?
>>
>>
>
> you could tell? i'm pissed off that they spent so much time showing
> tits and next to none showing what we all want to see - COCK!

Speak for yourself.

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Beautiful Femur
25-05-2005, 11:13 PM
Chriz wrote:

> Once upon a time Beautiful Femur decided to write:
>
>
>>Neville Interesting wrote:
>>
>>
>>>clearly most of the guys in the house are circumcised?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>you could tell? i'm pissed off that they spent so much time showing
>>tits and next to none showing what we all want to see - COCK!
>
>
> Speak for yourself.
>

oh come on, EVERYONE wants to see cock - some for sexual titilation,
some to compare themselves (and feel bad).

Mr.T
26-05-2005, 05:33 PM
"Beautiful Femur" <BF@BF.com.au> wrote in message
news:d71pj8$3ee$2@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> oh come on, EVERYONE wants to see cock - some for sexual titilation,
> some to compare themselves (and feel bad).

Suffering from penis envy are you? :-)
If you really wanted to see cocks you'd get a porn film rather than waste
time watching BB shit.

MrT.

Roy Wilke
26-05-2005, 05:43 PM
Mr.T wrote:
> "Beautiful Femur" <BF@BF.com.au> wrote in message
> news:d71pj8$3ee$2@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>>oh come on, EVERYONE wants to see cock - some for sexual titilation,
>>some to compare themselves (and feel bad).
>
>
> Suffering from penis envy are you? :-)
> If you really wanted to see cocks you'd get a porn film rather than waste
> time watching BB shit.
>

Or go to an aviary.

> MrT.
>
>

Michael C
27-05-2005, 08:23 AM
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
news:42956d8d$0$5181$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> Suffering from penis envy are you? :-)
> If you really wanted to see cocks you'd get a porn film rather than waste
> time watching BB shit.

Or hire that dirk diggler film.

Michael

Michael C
27-05-2005, 08:53 AM
"Beautiful Femur" <BF@BF.com.au> wrote in message
news:d71pj8$3ee$2@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> oh come on, EVERYONE wants to see cock - some for sexual titilation, some
> to compare themselves (and feel bad).

That's the females domaim, which is why women's mags are all full of half
naked women.

Michael

Scott Hillard
28-05-2005, 04:53 PM
"Claude" <Claude@claude.com> wrote in message
news:5dCke.13674$E7.3868@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > whys that smegma breath ?
>
> Because, while not as extreme, it is analogous to a clitorectomy. It
> reduces sensitivity.

Rubbish.

Here is what it DOES do....


The proponents of not circumcising stress that lifelong penile hygiene is
essential. This acknowledges that something harmful or unpleasant is
happening under the prepuce.
- Russell T, Med Observer 1993 (1 Oct)

Evidence over many decades of decreased risk of infection from syphilis,
gonorrhea, herpes, chlamidia, nongonococcal urethritis, hepatitis B and
human papilloma virus types 16 and 18.
- Wilson RA. Can Med Ass J 1947; 56: 54-6
- Taylor PK, Rodin P. Br J Ven Dis 1975; 51: 274-7
- Parker SW, Stewart AJ, Wren MN, Gollow MM, Straton JA. Med J Aust 1983;
2: 288-90
- Smith GL, Greenup R, Takafuji ET. Am J Publ Health 1987; 77: 452-4
- Cameron BE, Simonsen JN, D'Costa LJ, Ronald AR, Maitha GM, Gakinya MN,
Cheang M, Ndinya-Achola JO, Piot P, Brunham RC, Plummer FA, The Lancet 1989;
ii: 403-7.
- Marx JL. Science 1989; 245: 470-1
- Aynaud O, Ionesco M, Barrasso R. Cancer 1994; 74: 1762-7
- Cook LS, Koutsky LA, Holmes KK. Am J Publ Health 1994; 84: 197-201
- Niku SD, Stock JA, Kaplan GW. Urol Clin N Am 1995; 22: 57-65
- Weiss GN, J. Pediart Infect Dis 1997; 16: 727-34
- Laumann EO, Maal CM, Zuckerman EW. J Am Med Assoc 1997; 277: 1052-7

22 studies have reported a statistically significant association between
the presence of the foreskin and HIV infection. Four of these reported a
trend associated with the decreasing incidence of circumcision.
- Moses S, Plummer FA, Bradley JF, Ndinya-Achola JO, Nagelkerke NJ, Ronald
AR. Sexually Transm Dis 1994; 21: 201-9
- Urassa M, Todd J, Boerma JT, Hayes R, Islingo R. AIDS 1997; 11: 73-80
- Kapiga SH, Lyamuya EF, Lwihula GK, Hunter DJ. AIDS 1998; 12: 75-84

The foreskin has been found to physically trap HIV-infected secretions
and provide a more hospitable environment for the infectious innoculum.
Also, the increased surface area and diminished immune response from
inflammation of the glans penis (balanitis) can aid in recruitment of
target cells for HIV-1.
- Weiss GN, Westbrook RC, Sanders M. Isr J Med Sci 1993; 29: 42-3

The spread of HIV has been faster in areas where circumcision is
uncommon, despite the fact that the predominant strain in developing
countries (clade E) are less capable of infecting Langerhans cells.
- Weniger BG, Brown T. N Engl J Med 1996; 335: 343-5

Decrease risk of sexual transmission of urinary pathogens
- Serour F, Samra Z, Kushel Z, Gorenstein A, Dan M. Genitourin Med 1997; 73:
288-90

In uncircumcised boys aged 4 to 12, more than double the risk of urinary
tract infection (14% v 6%) and double the number of medical visits for
penile problems (10% v 5%). Similar results in both US and Canada.
- Canadian Paediatric Society, J Can Med Ass 1996; 154: 769-780.
- Herzog LW. Am J Dis Child 1989; 143: 348-50
- Schoen EJ, Pediatrics 1993; 92: 860-1 descrbes the evidence as
"conclusive" that "current newborn circumcision may be considered a
preventative health measure analogous to immunization in that side
effects and complications are immediate and usually minor, but benefits
accrue for a lifetime"

95% of all urinary tract infections in boys aged 5 days to 8 years are in
uncircimcised boys
- Ginsburg CM, McCracken GH. Pediatrics 1982; 69: 409-12
- Wiswell TE, Smith FR, Bass JW. Pediatrics 1985; 75: 901-3
- Wiswell TE, Geschke DW. Pediatrics 1989; 83: 1011-5

In the USA at the same time the incidence of circumcision decreased from
84% to 74%, the incidence of urinary tract infections in boys increased
11%. There was no increase in the incidence of urinary tract infections
in girls at the same time.
- Wiswell TE, Enzenauer RW, Holton ME, Cornish JD, Hankins CT. Pediatrics
1987; 79: 338-41

Pyelonephritis and renal scarring from Proteus mirabilis and
Pseudomonas infection occurs in 7.5% of uncircumcised males and in less
than 0.1% of circimcised males due to a particular affinity of these
bacteria to the foreskin.
- Fussell EN, Kaak BM, Cherry R, Roberts JA. J Urol 1988; 140: 997-1001
- Glennon J, Ryan PI, Keane CT, Rees JPR. Arch Dis Child 1988; 63: 556-7
- Wiswell TE, Miller GM, Gelston HM Jr, Jones SK. J Pediat 1988; 113: 442-6

In the five largest US cities, not one circumcised man was found to have
penile cancer since 1932.
- Maden C, Sherman KJ, Beckmann AM, Huslop TK, Heh OZ, Ashley RL, Daling JR.
J Nat Canc Inst 1993; 85: 19-24

There have been 50,000 cases of penile cancer in the USA since the early
1930s. 30,000 (60%) were malignant, resulting in 10,000 deaths (20%).
Only 10 cases were in circumcised men, of which only 4 (40%) were
malignant and none were fatal.
- Schoen EJ. CA Cancer J Clin 1991; 41: 306-9
- Lafferty PM, MacGregor FB, Scobie WG, Arch Dis Childhood 1991; 66: 696-7.

In Denmark, where circumcision is less than 2%, the risk of penile cancer
is about 1 in 900.
- Kochen M, McCurdy S. Am J Dis Child 1980; 134: 484-6

In Australia between 1960 and 1986, there were 78 deaths from penile
cancer. All were uncircimcised.
- Sandeman TF. Australasian Radiol 1990; 34: 12-6

In Britain, 93% of prostate cancer occurs in uncircumcised men. Prostate
cancer in Jewish men in Britain is extremely rare.
- Alderson M, Occupational Cancer. Butterworths, London 1986.
- Ewings P, Bowie C. Br J Cancer 1996; 74: 661-6

There is four-fold increase in the risk of cervical cancer in female
parters of uncircumcised men, due to the increased risk of transmission
of types 16 and 18 human papilloma virus.
- Galalakshmi CK, Shanta V. Acta Oncol 1993; 32: 617-20
- Agarwal SS, Sehgal A, Sardana S, Kumar A, Luthra UK. Cancer 1993; 72:
1666-9

In adult males, reduced incidence of inflammation from balanitis and
balanoposthitis
- Vohra S, Badlani G, Urol Clin North Am 1992; 19: 143-7.
- Escala JM, Rickwood AMK, Br J Urol 1989; 63: 196-7.
- Fakjian N, Hunter S, Cole GW, Miller J, Arch Dermatol 1990; 126: 1046-7

Phimosis (inability to retract the foreskin) occurs in about 10% of
uncircumcised boys. Aside from hygiene problems, the narrow foreskin
opening causes urinary obstruction, and may lead to painful ballooning
during urination. Back pressure to the kidney may impede its function
and lead to high blood pressure.
- Furgusson DM, Lawton JM, Shannon FT. Pediatrics 1988; 81: 537-41

Frenular chordee, a thick and often tight frenulum, prevents the foreskin
from fully retracting in about 25% of uncircumcised adult males. The
frenulum tears in about 40% of these men. Since scar tissue is more
fragile and less elastic than normal tissue, the tear often reoccurs
causing pain, bleeding and a high risk of infection if this occurs during
intercourse.
- Griffin AS, Kroovand RL, Urology 1990; 35: 133-4

A recent study found that
- 18% of men not circumcised at birth underwent circumcision later in life
- 21% of uncircumcised men wished they were
- 95% of men circumcised as adults were pleased with the result
- 90% of men circumcised as adults felt no pain after local anaesthetic
- 90% of men circumcised as adults felt no discomfort after 1 week
- Only 3% of men circumcised as adults felt the discomfort was excessive
- Only 2% of men circumcised as adults felt the expense was excessive
- Williamson ML, Williamson PS. J Sex Educ Hlth 1998; 24: 8-12

Uncircumcised men are more likely to experience sexual dysfunction with age
and circumcised men received more fellatio.
- Laumann EO, Maal CM, Zuckerman EW. J Am Med Assoc 1997; 277: 1052-7


> other than the fact that it causes unneccessary pain and suffering

96% of circumcisions in western countries are conducted with anaesthetic
- Wellington N, Rieder M. Pediatrics 1993; 92: 541-3

84% of circumcisions in western countries involve analgesics
- Howard CR, Howard FM, Garfunkel LC, de Blieck, Weitzman M. Pediatrics
1998; 101: 423-8

No adverse psychological memory of the procedure can be demonstrated
- Schlosberger NM, Turner RA, Irwin CE Jr. J Adolescent Hlth 1992; 13: 293-7

Cortisol levels in the brain can be attributed entirely to the
restraining procedure, not the circumcision itself, when
lidocaine-prilocaine anaesthetic cream is used.
- Taddio A, Katz J, Herisch AL, Koren G, The Lancet 1997; 349: 599-603
- Taddio A, Stevens B, Craig K, Rastogi P, Bendavid S, Shennan A, Mulligan
P, Koren G, N Engl J Med 1997; 336: 1197-1201

Plus the long term health benefits PREVENT unneccessary pain and
suffering.

> - it was invented in the US back
> in the late 1800s it was supposed to stop boys from "playing with
> themselves".

I don't know where you got that idea. It's been around WAY longer than
that. To prove it, I'll even quote somebody opposing circumcision. This
was written by Moses Maimonides who died in 1204.

"Our Sages say distinctly:
It is hard for a woman,
with whom an uncircumcised had sexual intercourse,
to separate from him.
This is, as I believe, the best reason
for the commandment concerning circumcision."

The Romans, known for writing down everything they saw, described the
practice in performed by the Hebrews in Palestine 2000 years ago.

Contrary to propaganda, circumcision in the 19th century was not used to
reduce masturbation, but rather to prevent smegma and itching. This
stopped males scratching their genitalia, which coincidentally led to
arousal.

Ritual removal of the foreskin in diverse human cultures, ranging from
Jews to Christians to Muslims to Kenyan Massai to some Australian
Aboriginals. The Judeo-Muslim-Christian practice of circumcision quite
likely had its origin in Egyptian civilization, where there is evidence
of a circumcised mummy at the time the Hebrews inhabited Egypt about 4000
years ago. Egyptian paintings dating back 3000 years desribe operation
itself and the ritual circumcision of soldiers and Pharoahs. Even today,
urinary tract obstruction and haematuria from blood fluke are common in
localities such as the Nile Valley.

However, parents should be given full and objective facts about both the
risks and benefits.

For example:
- 1 in 4000 neonatal circumcisions result in non-minor bleeding
- 1 in 20,000 result in excessive bleeding requiring a ligature
- Doctors supporting circumcision unanimously recommend against the
procedure if there is a history of haemophilia in the family.
- 1 in 15,000 may require subsequent surgery because of skin bridges for
cosmetic reasons, although this is not required for all the medical
benefits listed earlier.
- 1 in 4,000 require antibiotics for minor infections.
- 1 in 1 million result in severe infection
- Of 50 million procedures performed in the USA between 1954 and 1999,
there were 3 deaths from severe infection. At the same time, there were
10,000 deaths from penile cancer.

In Australia and most other western countries, parents have the legal
right to authorize surgical procedures for their children. Having studies
the benefits and risks, it becomes a decision for the parents what they
do.

As a final thought in the case of frenular chordee, frenoplasty (removing
just the tight frenulum) is an alternative to full circumcision in
adulthood.

After you have read all the cited medical journals, feel free to respond.

Patrick Young
28-05-2005, 05:13 PM
Scott Hillard wrote:

{snip irrelevant crap}

Whatever Scott as long as you _OWN_ it.

Makes no excuse whatsoever regarding inflicting it on
infants or others owning the organ in question who are
not in a position to object.

It is *RAPE*, however far worse, because the scars are
physical *AND* mental.

You can GAGF on this issue. I'm DEADLY serious about
it and would bring in lifetime jail sentences for
"doctors" performing it on infants.

Ruby Rabbit
28-05-2005, 05:33 PM
uncut is natural... and organic is best.

"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:3CTle.731$ii7.9096@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>
> "Claude" <Claude@claude.com> wrote in message
> news:5dCke.13674$E7.3868@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > whys that smegma breath ?
> >
> > Because, while not as extreme, it is analogous to a clitorectomy. It
> > reduces sensitivity.
>
> Rubbish.
>
> Here is what it DOES do....
>
>
> The proponents of not circumcising stress that lifelong penile hygiene is
> essential. This acknowledges that something harmful or unpleasant is
> happening under the prepuce.
> - Russell T, Med Observer 1993 (1 Oct)
>
> Evidence over many decades of decreased risk of infection from syphilis,
> gonorrhea, herpes, chlamidia, nongonococcal urethritis, hepatitis B and
> human papilloma virus types 16 and 18.
> - Wilson RA. Can Med Ass J 1947; 56: 54-6
> - Taylor PK, Rodin P. Br J Ven Dis 1975; 51: 274-7
> - Parker SW, Stewart AJ, Wren MN, Gollow MM, Straton JA. Med J Aust 1983;
> 2: 288-90
> - Smith GL, Greenup R, Takafuji ET. Am J Publ Health 1987; 77: 452-4
> - Cameron BE, Simonsen JN, D'Costa LJ, Ronald AR, Maitha GM, Gakinya MN,
> Cheang M, Ndinya-Achola JO, Piot P, Brunham RC, Plummer FA, The Lancet
1989;
> ii: 403-7.
> - Marx JL. Science 1989; 245: 470-1
> - Aynaud O, Ionesco M, Barrasso R. Cancer 1994; 74: 1762-7
> - Cook LS, Koutsky LA, Holmes KK. Am J Publ Health 1994; 84: 197-201
> - Niku SD, Stock JA, Kaplan GW. Urol Clin N Am 1995; 22: 57-65
> - Weiss GN, J. Pediart Infect Dis 1997; 16: 727-34
> - Laumann EO, Maal CM, Zuckerman EW. J Am Med Assoc 1997; 277: 1052-7
>
> 22 studies have reported a statistically significant association between
> the presence of the foreskin and HIV infection. Four of these reported a
> trend associated with the decreasing incidence of circumcision.
> - Moses S, Plummer FA, Bradley JF, Ndinya-Achola JO, Nagelkerke NJ, Ronald
> AR. Sexually Transm Dis 1994; 21: 201-9
> - Urassa M, Todd J, Boerma JT, Hayes R, Islingo R. AIDS 1997; 11: 73-80
> - Kapiga SH, Lyamuya EF, Lwihula GK, Hunter DJ. AIDS 1998; 12: 75-84
>
> The foreskin has been found to physically trap HIV-infected secretions
> and provide a more hospitable environment for the infectious innoculum.
> Also, the increased surface area and diminished immune response from
> inflammation of the glans penis (balanitis) can aid in recruitment of
> target cells for HIV-1.
> - Weiss GN, Westbrook RC, Sanders M. Isr J Med Sci 1993; 29: 42-3
>
> The spread of HIV has been faster in areas where circumcision is
> uncommon, despite the fact that the predominant strain in developing
> countries (clade E) are less capable of infecting Langerhans cells.
> - Weniger BG, Brown T. N Engl J Med 1996; 335: 343-5
>
> Decrease risk of sexual transmission of urinary pathogens
> - Serour F, Samra Z, Kushel Z, Gorenstein A, Dan M. Genitourin Med 1997;
73:
> 288-90
>
> In uncircumcised boys aged 4 to 12, more than double the risk of urinary
> tract infection (14% v 6%) and double the number of medical visits for
> penile problems (10% v 5%). Similar results in both US and Canada.
> - Canadian Paediatric Society, J Can Med Ass 1996; 154: 769-780.
> - Herzog LW. Am J Dis Child 1989; 143: 348-50
> - Schoen EJ, Pediatrics 1993; 92: 860-1 descrbes the evidence as
> "conclusive" that "current newborn circumcision may be considered a
> preventative health measure analogous to immunization in that side
> effects and complications are immediate and usually minor, but benefits
> accrue for a lifetime"
>
> 95% of all urinary tract infections in boys aged 5 days to 8 years are in
> uncircimcised boys
> - Ginsburg CM, McCracken GH. Pediatrics 1982; 69: 409-12
> - Wiswell TE, Smith FR, Bass JW. Pediatrics 1985; 75: 901-3
> - Wiswell TE, Geschke DW. Pediatrics 1989; 83: 1011-5
>
> In the USA at the same time the incidence of circumcision decreased from
> 84% to 74%, the incidence of urinary tract infections in boys increased
> 11%. There was no increase in the incidence of urinary tract infections
> in girls at the same time.
> - Wiswell TE, Enzenauer RW, Holton ME, Cornish JD, Hankins CT. Pediatrics
> 1987; 79: 338-41
>
> Pyelonephritis and renal scarring from Proteus mirabilis and
> Pseudomonas infection occurs in 7.5% of uncircumcised males and in less
> than 0.1% of circimcised males due to a particular affinity of these
> bacteria to the foreskin.
> - Fussell EN, Kaak BM, Cherry R, Roberts JA. J Urol 1988; 140: 997-1001
> - Glennon J, Ryan PI, Keane CT, Rees JPR. Arch Dis Child 1988; 63: 556-7
> - Wiswell TE, Miller GM, Gelston HM Jr, Jones SK. J Pediat 1988; 113:
442-6
>
> In the five largest US cities, not one circumcised man was found to have
> penile cancer since 1932.
> - Maden C, Sherman KJ, Beckmann AM, Huslop TK, Heh OZ, Ashley RL, Daling
JR.
> J Nat Canc Inst 1993; 85: 19-24
>
> There have been 50,000 cases of penile cancer in the USA since the early
> 1930s. 30,000 (60%) were malignant, resulting in 10,000 deaths (20%).
> Only 10 cases were in circumcised men, of which only 4 (40%) were
> malignant and none were fatal.
> - Schoen EJ. CA Cancer J Clin 1991; 41: 306-9
> - Lafferty PM, MacGregor FB, Scobie WG, Arch Dis Childhood 1991; 66:
696-7.
>
> In Denmark, where circumcision is less than 2%, the risk of penile cancer
> is about 1 in 900.
> - Kochen M, McCurdy S. Am J Dis Child 1980; 134: 484-6
>
> In Australia between 1960 and 1986, there were 78 deaths from penile
> cancer. All were uncircimcised.
> - Sandeman TF. Australasian Radiol 1990; 34: 12-6
>
> In Britain, 93% of prostate cancer occurs in uncircumcised men. Prostate
> cancer in Jewish men in Britain is extremely rare.
> - Alderson M, Occupational Cancer. Butterworths, London 1986.
> - Ewings P, Bowie C. Br J Cancer 1996; 74: 661-6
>
> There is four-fold increase in the risk of cervical cancer in female
> parters of uncircumcised men, due to the increased risk of transmission
> of types 16 and 18 human papilloma virus.
> - Galalakshmi CK, Shanta V. Acta Oncol 1993; 32: 617-20
> - Agarwal SS, Sehgal A, Sardana S, Kumar A, Luthra UK. Cancer 1993; 72:
> 1666-9
>
> In adult males, reduced incidence of inflammation from balanitis and
> balanoposthitis
> - Vohra S, Badlani G, Urol Clin North Am 1992; 19: 143-7.
> - Escala JM, Rickwood AMK, Br J Urol 1989; 63: 196-7.
> - Fakjian N, Hunter S, Cole GW, Miller J, Arch Dermatol 1990; 126: 1046-7
>
> Phimosis (inability to retract the foreskin) occurs in about 10% of
> uncircumcised boys. Aside from hygiene problems, the narrow foreskin
> opening causes urinary obstruction, and may lead to painful ballooning
> during urination. Back pressure to the kidney may impede its function
> and lead to high blood pressure.
> - Furgusson DM, Lawton JM, Shannon FT. Pediatrics 1988; 81: 537-41
>
> Frenular chordee, a thick and often tight frenulum, prevents the foreskin
> from fully retracting in about 25% of uncircumcised adult males. The
> frenulum tears in about 40% of these men. Since scar tissue is more
> fragile and less elastic than normal tissue, the tear often reoccurs
> causing pain, bleeding and a high risk of infection if this occurs during
> intercourse.
> - Griffin AS, Kroovand RL, Urology 1990; 35: 133-4
>
> A recent study found that
> - 18% of men not circumcised at birth underwent circumcision later in
life
> - 21% of uncircumcised men wished they were
> - 95% of men circumcised as adults were pleased with the result
> - 90% of men circumcised as adults felt no pain after local anaesthetic
> - 90% of men circumcised as adults felt no discomfort after 1 week
> - Only 3% of men circumcised as adults felt the discomfort was excessive
> - Only 2% of men circumcised as adults felt the expense was excessive
> - Williamson ML, Williamson PS. J Sex Educ Hlth 1998; 24: 8-12
>
> Uncircumcised men are more likely to experience sexual dysfunction with
age
> and circumcised men received more fellatio.
> - Laumann EO, Maal CM, Zuckerman EW. J Am Med Assoc 1997; 277: 1052-7
>
>
> > other than the fact that it causes unneccessary pain and suffering
>
> 96% of circumcisions in western countries are conducted with anaesthetic
> - Wellington N, Rieder M. Pediatrics 1993; 92: 541-3
>
> 84% of circumcisions in western countries involve analgesics
> - Howard CR, Howard FM, Garfunkel LC, de Blieck, Weitzman M. Pediatrics
> 1998; 101: 423-8
>
> No adverse psychological memory of the procedure can be demonstrated
> - Schlosberger NM, Turner RA, Irwin CE Jr. J Adolescent Hlth 1992; 13:
293-7
>
> Cortisol levels in the brain can be attributed entirely to the
> restraining procedure, not the circumcision itself, when
> lidocaine-prilocaine anaesthetic cream is used.
> - Taddio A, Katz J, Herisch AL, Koren G, The Lancet 1997; 349: 599-603
> - Taddio A, Stevens B, Craig K, Rastogi P, Bendavid S, Shennan A, Mulligan
> P, Koren G, N Engl J Med 1997; 336: 1197-1201
>
> Plus the long term health benefits PREVENT unneccessary pain and
> suffering.
>
> > - it was invented in the US back
> > in the late 1800s it was supposed to stop boys from "playing with
> > themselves".
>
> I don't know where you got that idea. It's been around WAY longer than
> that. To prove it, I'll even quote somebody opposing circumcision. This
> was written by Moses Maimonides who died in 1204.
>
> "Our Sages say distinctly:
> It is hard for a woman,
> with whom an uncircumcised had sexual intercourse,
> to separate from him.
> This is, as I believe, the best reason
> for the commandment concerning circumcision."
>
> The Romans, known for writing down everything they saw, described the
> practice in performed by the Hebrews in Palestine 2000 years ago.
>
> Contrary to propaganda, circumcision in the 19th century was not used to
> reduce masturbation, but rather to prevent smegma and itching. This
> stopped males scratching their genitalia, which coincidentally led to
> arousal.
>
> Ritual removal of the foreskin in diverse human cultures, ranging from
> Jews to Christians to Muslims to Kenyan Massai to some Australian
> Aboriginals. The Judeo-Muslim-Christian practice of circumcision quite
> likely had its origin in Egyptian civilization, where there is evidence
> of a circumcised mummy at the time the Hebrews inhabited Egypt about 4000
> years ago. Egyptian paintings dating back 3000 years desribe operation
> itself and the ritual circumcision of soldiers and Pharoahs. Even today,
> urinary tract obstruction and haematuria from blood fluke are common in
> localities such as the Nile Valley.
>
> However, parents should be given full and objective facts about both the
> risks and benefits.
>
> For example:
> - 1 in 4000 neonatal circumcisions result in non-minor bleeding
> - 1 in 20,000 result in excessive bleeding requiring a ligature
> - Doctors supporting circumcision unanimously recommend against the
> procedure if there is a history of haemophilia in the family.
> - 1 in 15,000 may require subsequent surgery because of skin bridges for
> cosmetic reasons, although this is not required for all the medical
> benefits listed earlier.
> - 1 in 4,000 require antibiotics for minor infections.
> - 1 in 1 million result in severe infection
> - Of 50 million procedures performed in the USA between 1954 and 1999,
> there were 3 deaths from severe infection. At the same time, there were
> 10,000 deaths from penile cancer.
>
> In Australia and most other western countries, parents have the legal
> right to authorize surgical procedures for their children. Having studies
> the benefits and risks, it becomes a decision for the parents what they
> do.
>
> As a final thought in the case of frenular chordee, frenoplasty (removing
> just the tight frenulum) is an alternative to full circumcision in
> adulthood.
>
> After you have read all the cited medical journals, feel free to respond.
>
>

Scott Hillard
28-05-2005, 05:33 PM
"Patrick Young" <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message
news:JWTle.4006$BR4.1494@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> It is *RAPE*, however far worse, because the scars are
> physical *AND* mental.

Yup, somebody skipped their medication this morning.


> You can GAGF on this issue. I'm DEADLY serious about
> it and would bring in lifetime jail sentences for
> "doctors" performing it on infants.


The mental scars from your circumcision are there for all to see....

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