Almost an add for a mandatory ADR52

[Priscy]

ADR 52 = Rear Fog Lights

http://tinyurl.com/8we8q

Jeremy H. Pritchard
Mot Adv-NSW

[adam_c]

....yeah, so even more people that drive Hyundai Excels can drive around in
perfectly clear weather with them on... just to piss us all off!

Adam


"Priscy" <kwykes@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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> ADR 52 = Rear Fog Lights
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8we8q
>
> Jeremy H. Pritchard
> Mot Adv-NSW
>
>
>

[jackbadger]

adam_c" <adam_c@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote

>....yeah, so even more people that drive Hyundai >Excels can drive around
in
>perfectly clear weather with them on... just to >piss us all off!

LOL! They are the worst offenders, although BMW's aren't far behind.

[Priscy]

"adam_c" <adam_c@NOSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> ...yeah, so even more people that drive Hyundai Excels can drive around in
> perfectly clear weather with them on... just to piss us all off!

I agree, it is better to lose a life than to be pissed off by an occasional
Excel user mis-using them.

Blame the driver.

J.


> news:429bed7e@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> ADR 52 = Rear Fog Lights
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/8we8q
>>
>> Jeremy H. Pritchard
>> Mot Adv-NSW
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[D Walford]

adam_c wrote:
>
> ...yeah, so even more people that drive Hyundai Excels can drive around in
> perfectly clear weather with them on... just to piss us all off!
>

A correctly fitted and used rear fog lamp may have prevented the
collision.
Training drivers how to correctly use will take a bit of effort but it
will be worth it in the long run.
I recently explained to a friend that she could get a fine for using her
rear fog in clear conditions, she didn't know what I was talking about
and denied having one till I showed her the one on her car (Hyundai),
now she knows what "that" switch does.
If we all educate our ignorant friends sooner or later people will get
the message.


Daryl

[DalienX]

adam_c wrote:

> ...yeah, so even more people that drive Hyundai Excels can drive
> around in perfectly clear weather with them on... just to piss us all
> off!
>
> Adam
>
>

Why dont they just impliment a bit of technology into this issue...
I dont know about the rest of Australia but ive noticed on a clear
night the street lights are white, but on foggy nights they are orange.
So they must have some sort of optical sensor that reads the
enviromental conditions.
All we need to do is fit this sensor to cars.


--
DalienX

[Scotty]

Id like to see that! Colour changing street lights. I think that your
mistaken as to where you see yellow and white lights fella, I dont think
that the councils would spend more than double the amount on street lighting
everywhere. I think that the major thoughfares are yellow and the minor
streets are white. Take a 5 min drive to confirm this eh



"DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com> wrote in message
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> adam_c wrote:
>
>> ...yeah, so even more people that drive Hyundai Excels can drive
>> around in perfectly clear weather with them on... just to piss us all
>> off!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>
> Why dont they just impliment a bit of technology into this issue...
> I dont know about the rest of Australia but ive noticed on a clear
> night the street lights are white, but on foggy nights they are orange.
> So they must have some sort of optical sensor that reads the
> enviromental conditions.
> All we need to do is fit this sensor to cars.
>
>
> --
> DalienX

[DalienX]

Scotty wrote:

> Id like to see that! Colour changing street lights. I think that your
> mistaken as to where you see yellow and white lights fella, I dont
> think that the councils would spend more than double the amount on
> street lighting everywhere. I think that the major thoughfares are
> yellow and the minor streets are white. Take a 5 min drive to confirm
> this eh
>
>
>
I have acutaly watched the lights change color in patchy fog.



--
DalienX

[Scotty]

The lamps do not change colour they just appear so. The yellow type are
Sodium Vapour and the White types are either flouresent (Resiential areas)
or Mercury vapour, none of these are at all interchangable. When theres fog
the refraction of light is altered but the colour will not, unless theres
some councils out there with street lighting bugets that are so big that
they could feed a third world country.



"DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com> wrote in message
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> Scotty wrote:
>
>> Id like to see that! Colour changing street lights. I think that your
>> mistaken as to where you see yellow and white lights fella, I dont
>> think that the councils would spend more than double the amount on
>> street lighting everywhere. I think that the major thoughfares are
>> yellow and the minor streets are white. Take a 5 min drive to confirm
>> this eh
>>
>>
>>
> I have acutaly watched the lights change color in patchy fog.
>
>
>
> --
> DalienX

[sheik yerbouti]

On Tue, 31 May 2005 09:46:32 GMT, "DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com>
wrote:

>>
>
>Why dont they just impliment a bit of technology into this issue...
>I dont know about the rest of Australia but ive noticed on a clear
>night the street lights are white, but on foggy nights they are orange.
>So they must have some sort of optical sensor that reads the
>enviromental conditions.
>All we need to do is fit this sensor to cars.

fog lights have different functionality other than the colour of the
light emitted, also light distribution pattern and intensity.

oh and they look sick bro on your commodore!

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[DalienX]

Scotty wrote:

> The lamps do not change colour they just appear so. The yellow type
> are Sodium Vapour and the White types are either flouresent
> (Resiential areas) or Mercury vapour, none of these are at all
> interchangable. When theres fog the refraction of light is altered
> but the colour will not, unless theres some councils out there with
> street lighting bugets that are so big that they could feed a third
> world country.
>
>
>

My eyes tell me your wrong, internet research tells me your right.
regardless of that, I dont see why color changing lights should be that
expencive. You can get solar powered garden lights that turn on and off
automaticly for $12.95 They have a sensor that detects light, or the
lack of it, all they need is a middle mode between on and off and an
orange light bulb and you will have light that turns it self on and
turns orange/yellow in fog.

Fords and Holdens already have an auto mode for their lights, so whats
stopping them from making auto fog lights?
If the fog lights were auto it would stop people using them to look
good and irritaiting other drivers.



--
DalienX

[Mot Adv-NSW]

"D Walford"

> A correctly fitted and used rear fog lamp may have prevented the
> collision.

Been some discussion on this, from the School through the channels, VIC
Roads, Fed Minister. A view as to further promote them or eventually
mandate....

The particular bus company will look at fitting them on future fleet
purchase.

> Training drivers how to correctly use will take a bit of effort but it
> will be worth it in the long run.
> I recently explained to a friend that she could get a fine for using her
> rear fog in clear conditions, she didn't know what I was talking about
> and denied having one till I showed her the one on her car (Hyundai),
> now she knows what "that" switch does.
> If we all educate our ignorant friends sooner or later people will get
> the message.

God, how many times have we gone through just this tutorial process . . .:-)



>
> Daryl

[Sir Lex]

Priscy wrote:
> ADR 52 = Rear Fog Lights
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8we8q
>
> Jeremy H. Pritchard
> Mot Adv-NSW
>
>
>

It'll never happen. We all know it's only speed that causes accidents.
The drug taking semi trailer driver must have been speeding to have
injured all those innocent school children.

I'm Naomi Robson, thanks for watching.

--
SL

"The essence of propaganda consists in winning people over
to an idea so sincerely, so vitally, that in the end they
succumb to it utterly and can never again escape from it"

Joseph Goebbels - Nazi Minister of Propaganda, 1933 - 1945

[JD]

Mot Adv-NSW wrote:

>
> "D Walford"
>
>> A correctly fitted and used rear fog lamp may have prevented the
>> collision.
>
> Been some discussion on this, from the School through the channels, VIC
> Roads, Fed Minister. A view as to further promote them or eventually
> mandate....
>
> The particular bus company will look at fitting them on future fleet
> purchase.
>
>> Training drivers how to correctly use will take a bit of effort but it
>> will be worth it in the long run.
>> I recently explained to a friend that she could get a fine for using her
>> rear fog in clear conditions, she didn't know what I was talking about
>> and denied having one till I showed her the one on her car (Hyundai),
>> now she knows what "that" switch does.
>> If we all educate our ignorant friends sooner or later people will get
>> the message.
>
> God, how many times have we gone through just this tutorial process . .
> .:-)
>
>
>
>>
>> Daryl

The point is, of course, that over the vast majority of Australia, fog
varies from very rare to unheard of. So you have to question whether
fitting an abuse prone extra gadget to every car sold in Australia, for the
benefit of a very small proportion of buyers, is a good idea.
JD

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:54:19 +1000, JD wrote:

> The point is, of course, that over the vast majority of Australia, fog
> varies from very rare to unheard of. So you have to question whether
> fitting an abuse prone extra gadget to every car sold in Australia, for the
> benefit of a very small proportion of buyers, is a good idea.
> JD

Warning. Rambo Worrier style post follows.

So you think the accelerator isn't a good idea?

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Diesel Damo]

Rainbow Ponsenby wrote:
> So you think the accelerator isn't a good idea?

LOL

[Diesel Damo]

JD wrote:
> over the vast majority of Australia, fog varies
> from very rare to unheard of

You obviously need to get out more. It was only a couple of months ago
where thick fog could be found in the Blue Mountains almost every night.

[Mot Adv-NSW]

"JD" <

>>> Daryl
>
> The point is, of course, that over the vast majority of Australia, fog
> varies from very rare to unheard of. So you have to question whether
> fitting an abuse prone extra gadget to every car sold in Australia, for
> the
> benefit of a very small proportion of buyers, is a good idea.
> JD

Actually yes, *you* may live where there is no fog, but the 2nd 3rd or
fourth generation of owner may do so. In any case as I point out we do not
all reside in CBD's, but CBD owners are known to venture outside CBD's where
it can seasonally exist. One QLD area has over around 100 fog days per
year, QLD Trans has fitted flashing amber lights on poles that are activated
when a school bus approaches within 100 metres. EU, generally, sits around
12!

Aside, they are not just for use in fog, but are intended for heavy rain -
particularly useful in daylight rain whre your standard taillights are
useless, bushfire smoke and so on.

EU keeps front fog lights as an option, but rear are mandatory for a
reason - they are the 'primary' defence.... Here in OZ you'd think front
were!

It is negligent they are not mandated.

Education rests with the driver manuals, enforcement with police.

JP

[D Walford]

JD wrote:
>
> Mot Adv-NSW wrote:
>
> >
> > "D Walford"
> >
> >> A correctly fitted and used rear fog lamp may have prevented the
> >> collision.
> >
> > Been some discussion on this, from the School through the channels, VIC
> > Roads, Fed Minister. A view as to further promote them or eventually
> > mandate....
> >
> > The particular bus company will look at fitting them on future fleet
> > purchase.
> >
> >> Training drivers how to correctly use will take a bit of effort but it
> >> will be worth it in the long run.
> >> I recently explained to a friend that she could get a fine for using her
> >> rear fog in clear conditions, she didn't know what I was talking about
> >> and denied having one till I showed her the one on her car (Hyundai),
> >> now she knows what "that" switch does.
> >> If we all educate our ignorant friends sooner or later people will get
> >> the message.
> >
> > God, how many times have we gone through just this tutorial process . .
> > .:-)
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Daryl
>
> The point is, of course, that over the vast majority of Australia, fog
> varies from very rare to unheard of. So you have to question whether
> fitting an abuse prone extra gadget to every car sold in Australia, for the
> benefit of a very small proportion of buyers, is a good idea.

Its true that in many area's fog is rare but IMO better to spend a few
dollars on proper lighting than have potentially very serious accidents
like the one between the school bus and truck.
Also don't forget that a rear fog lamp can be used in other low visibity
situations eg heavy smoke from a bush fire.
Training drivers in the correct use of front and rear fog lamps is long
overdue.


Daryl

[Greg Stewart]

"Diesel Damo" <Diesel_4WD@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> JD wrote:
>> over the vast majority of Australia, fog varies
>> from very rare to unheard of
>
> You obviously need to get out more. It was only a couple of months ago
> where thick fog could be found in the Blue Mountains almost every night.
>

I guess the blue mountains wouldn't be considered 'a vast majority' ??