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[Toby Ponsenby]

From ABC Newsmail List.

"Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)

States back national approach to ID security

The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
identity security.

The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.

Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
all levels of government work on this issue.

"Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."



There ya go, troops.
Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
model being aped.

As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.

BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
appointed and anointed turd ellison:
If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all to
do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
fuck does he know what the real figure is?
Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used again:-))))
And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.


Also not the 'support' from the States?
Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one where
the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river in
the process. Lovely.

(Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since Charteris
arrived unannounced in a post last night.)

--
Toby.

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who
are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it -
Einstein

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net...
> From ABC Newsmail List.
>
> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>
> States back national approach to ID security
>
> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
> identity security.
>
> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>
> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
> all levels of government work on this issue.
>
> "Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
> We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
> joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
>
>
>
> There ya go, troops.
> Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
> model being aped.
>
> As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
>
> BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
> appointed and anointed turd ellison:
> If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all to
> do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
> identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
> fuck does he know what the real figure is?
> Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
> That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used again:-))))
> And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.
>
>
> Also not the 'support' from the States?
> Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one where
> the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river in
> the process. Lovely.
>
> (Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since Charteris
> arrived unannounced in a post last night.)
>
> --
> Toby.
>
> The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who
> are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it -
> Einstein

I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.

[Rainbow Warrior]

"G Kennedy's Ghostly Crow" <Nope_not_here@pigpond.com> wrote in message
news:4ris91pkpttjamfdb6mu3955pd0pknsghp@4ax.com...
> It's Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:40:02 +1000, and in aus.cars, somebody
> posting as Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >There ya go, troops.
> >Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
> >model being aped.
> >
> >As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
>
> Unfortunately, you're very right.
>
> Dammit, what ever happened to the Good Old Days, when bad and stupid
> things from the US took ten to fifteen years to establish themselves
> here?
>
> [The above is a *rhetorical* question.]
>
> Crow, faaaarking off for now.
>
> - Security. You *know* you want it more than freedom

Yep back to the 70's where you could collect the dole/pension in as many
names as you had mailboxes, free money, didn't cost anybody anything.
Booked for speeding, DUI, let them try & lock up John Smith for unpaid
fines.

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:59:13 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> From ABC Newsmail List.
>>
>> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>>
>> States back national approach to ID security
>>
>> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
>> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
>> identity security.
>>
>> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
>> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>>
>> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
>> all levels of government work on this issue.
>>
>> "Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
>> We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
>> joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
>>
>>
>>
>> There ya go, troops.
>> Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
>> model being aped.
>>
>> As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
>>
>> BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
>> appointed and anointed turd ellison:
>> If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all to
>> do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
>> identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
>> fuck does he know what the real figure is?
>> Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
>> That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used again:-))))
>> And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.
>>
>>
>> Also not the 'support' from the States?
>> Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one where
>> the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river in
>> the process. Lovely.
>>
>> (Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since Charteris
>> arrived unannounced in a post last night.)
>>
>> --
>> Toby.
>>
>> The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who
>> are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it -
>> Einstein
>
> I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.

Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence and
my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Roy Wilke]

Toby Ponsenby wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:59:13 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
>
>>"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>
>>>From ABC Newsmail List.
>>>
>>>"Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>>>
>>>States back national approach to ID security
>>>
>>>The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
>>>the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
>>>identity security.
>>>
>>>The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
>>>police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>>>
>>>Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
>>>all levels of government work on this issue.
>>>
>>>"Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
>>>We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
>>>joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>There ya go, troops.
>>>Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
>>>model being aped.
>>>
>>>As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
>>>
>>>BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
>>>appointed and anointed turd ellison:
>>>If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all to
>>>do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
>>>identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
>>>fuck does he know what the real figure is?
>>>Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
>>>That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used again:-))))
>>>And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.
>>>
>>>
>>>Also not the 'support' from the States?
>>>Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one where
>>>the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river in
>>>the process. Lovely.
>>>
>>>(Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since Charteris
>>>arrived unannounced in a post last night.)
>>>
>>>--
>>>Toby.
>>>
>>>The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who
>>>are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it -
>>>Einstein
>>
>>I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.
>
>
> Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence and
> my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.

Then you could pay my bills for me.

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:tnfmbb11tud9$.98949vt9owgy$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:59:13 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
> > "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net...
> >> From ABC Newsmail List.
> >>
> >> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
> >>
> >> States back national approach to ID security
> >>
> >> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
> >> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
> >> identity security.
> >>
> >> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
> >> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
> >>
> >> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
> >> all levels of government work on this issue.
> >>
> >> "Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
> >> We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
> >> joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There ya go, troops.
> >> Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
> >> model being aped.
> >>
> >> As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
> >>
> >> BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
> >> appointed and anointed turd ellison:
> >> If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all to
> >> do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
> >> identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
> >> fuck does he know what the real figure is?
> >> Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
> >> That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used again:-))))
> >> And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.
> >>
> >>
> >> Also not the 'support' from the States?
> >> Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one where
> >> the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river in
> >> the process. Lovely.
> >>
> >> (Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since Charteris
> >> arrived unannounced in a post last night.)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Toby.
> >>
> >> The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who
> >> are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it -
> >> Einstein
> >
> > I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.
>
> Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence and
> my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.

And I could use latex to copy your fingerprints, but life would be so much
better in a world without paper, photo or computer ID, where anyone could
just say they were you any damn-well time they pleased.

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:36:54 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:tnfmbb11tud9$.98949vt9owgy$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:59:13 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>
>>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> From ABC Newsmail List.
>>>>
>>>> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>>>>
>>>> States back national approach to ID security
>>>>
>>>> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
>>>> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
>>>> identity security.
>>>>
>>>> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
>>>> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>>>>
>>>> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
>>>> all levels of government work on this issue.
>>>>
>>>> "Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
>>>> We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
>>>> joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There ya go, troops.
>>>> Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
>>>> model being aped.
>>>>
>>>> As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
>>>> appointed and anointed turd ellison:
>>>> If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all to
>>>> do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
>>>> identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
>>>> fuck does he know what the real figure is?
>>>> Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
>>>> That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used again:-))))
>>>> And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also not the 'support' from the States?
>>>> Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one where
>>>> the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river in
>>>> the process. Lovely.
>>>>
>>>> (Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since Charteris
>>>> arrived unannounced in a post last night.)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Toby.
>>>>
>>>> The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who
>>>> are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it -
>>>> Einstein
>>>
>>> I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.
>>
>> Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence and
>> my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.
>
> And I could use latex to copy your fingerprints, but life would be so much
> better in a world without paper, photo or computer ID, where anyone could
> just say they were you any damn-well time they pleased.

Matter of fact, it would.
Then no bastard would make assumptions about who was who at the zoo.
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Albm&ctd]

In article <1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net>,
toby@privacy.net says...
> From ABC Newsmail List.
>
> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>
> States back national approach to ID security
>
> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
> identity security.
>
> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>
> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
> all levels of government work on this issue.
>
I still want a microchip under my fur.

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1a5bjam4wssqv$.lnkzner14g1i$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:36:54 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
> > "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:tnfmbb11tud9$.98949vt9owgy$.dlg@40tude.net...
> >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:59:13 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net...
> >>>> From ABC Newsmail List.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
> >>>>
> >>>> States back national approach to ID security
> >>>>
> >>>> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
> >>>> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
> >>>> identity security.
> >>>>
> >>>> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
> >>>> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
> >>>>
> >>>> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
> >>>> all levels of government work on this issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
> >>>> We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
> >>>> joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
> >>>>
> >>>> There ya go, troops.
> >>>> Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
> >>>> model being aped.
> >>>>
> >>>> As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
> >>>> appointed and anointed turd ellison:
> >>>> If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all
to
> >>>> do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
> >>>> identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
> >>>> fuck does he know what the real figure is?
> >>>> Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
> >>>> That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used
again:-))))
> >>>> And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also not the 'support' from the States?
> >>>> Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one where
> >>>> the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river
in
> >>>> the process. Lovely.
> >>>>
> >>>> (Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since Charteris
> >>>> arrived unannounced in a post last night.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Toby.
> >>>>
> >>>> The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who
> >>>> are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it -
> >>>> Einstein
> >>>
> >>> I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.
> >>
> >> Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence and
> >> my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.
> >
> > And I could use latex to copy your fingerprints, but life would be so
much
> > better in a world without paper, photo or computer ID, where anyone
could
> > just say they were you any damn-well time they pleased.
>
> Matter of fact, it would.
> Then no bastard would make assumptions about who was who at the zoo.
> --
> Toby.

Your right, why should you have to prove where you live or how old you were
or your qualifications?
And of course people could just change their name/address/trade/age on the
spot whenever it suited them or they owed someone money.
A blissful Utopia indeed.

[atec]

Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> toby@privacy.net says...
>
>>From ABC Newsmail List.
>>
>>"Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>>
>>States back national approach to ID security
>>
>>The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
>>the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
>>identity security.
>>
>>The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
>>police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>>
>>Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
>>all levels of government work on this issue.
>>
>
> I still want a microchip under my fur.
>
> Al
How about a kick in the groin ?.

[Bernd Felsche]

Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> writes:
>In article <1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>toby@privacy.net says...
>> From ABC Newsmail List.
>>
>> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>>
>> States back national approach to ID security
>>
>> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
>> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
>> identity security.
>>
>> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
>> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.

>> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
>> all levels of government work on this issue.

>I still want a microchip under my fur.

I'm still amazed that the government hasn't pretended to have woken
up yet and realized that protecting privacy is the best tool for
protecting identity. I'm even more amazed that the lynch mobs aren't
in front of their respective parliaments demanding effective privacy
laws and their enforcement.

Anybody who thinks that ID cards in a digital world are a good idea
should read Bruce Schneier's "Secrets and Lies".
--
/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
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X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature
/ \ and postings | to help me spread!

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:00:23 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:1a5bjam4wssqv$.lnkzner14g1i$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:36:54 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>
>>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tnfmbb11tud9$.98949vt9owgy$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:59:13 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>> From ABC Newsmail List.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> States back national approach to ID security
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
>>>>>> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
>>>>>> identity security.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
>>>>>> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
>>>>>> all levels of government work on this issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
>>>>>> We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
>>>>>> joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There ya go, troops.
>>>>>> Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the Yankee
>>>>>> model being aped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
>>>>>> appointed and anointed turd ellison:
>>>>>> If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all
> to
>>>>>> do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
>>>>>> identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
>>>>>> fuck does he know what the real figure is?
>>>>>> Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
>>>>>> That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used
> again:-))))
>>>>>> And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also not the 'support' from the States?
>>>>>> Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one where
>>>>>> the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river
> in
>>>>>> the process. Lovely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since Charteris
>>>>>> arrived unannounced in a post last night.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Toby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who
>>>>>> are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it -
>>>>>> Einstein
>>>>>
>>>>> I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence and
>>>> my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.
>>>
>>> And I could use latex to copy your fingerprints, but life would be so
> much
>>> better in a world without paper, photo or computer ID, where anyone
> could
>>> just say they were you any damn-well time they pleased.
>>
>> Matter of fact, it would.
>> Then no bastard would make assumptions about who was who at the zoo.
>> --
>> Toby.
>
> Your right, why should you have to prove where you live or how old you were
> or your qualifications?
> And of course people could just change their name/address/trade/age on the
> spot whenever it suited them or they owed someone money.
> A blissful Utopia indeed.

as usual you (deliberately)missed the point.
If no-one was required to prove who the fuck they were on almost a
minute-by-minute basis in this sick society, then there wouldn't be
anything in particular hanging off identity.
Ergo, the bad bastards wouldn't be able to 'take advantage', as they
do now.
You also need to remember that the identity game is one placed by
statute law and the money changers.
No-one else gives a shit.
And nor should they.
eg, every time you buy something with either a credit card or a debit
card, your identity IS involved.
Paying cash?
Nope - but not always the case.
But I guess you've noticed sometimes when you pay cash, the servants
of the money changers, or the statute law, want to see some ID.
Getting the message yet?


--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:10:49 +0800, Bernd Felsche wrote:

> Anybody who thinks that ID cards in a digital world are a good idea
> should read Bruce Schneier's "Secrets and Lies".

The newsletter is quite enough:-)

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:qwavzvrxuacn.lj3ww0x5bbx4.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 16:00:23 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
> > "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:1a5bjam4wssqv$.lnkzner14g1i$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> >> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:36:54 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:tnfmbb11tud9$.98949vt9owgy$.dlg@40tude.net...
> >>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:59:13 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net...
> >>>>>> From ABC Newsmail List.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> States back national approach to ID security
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
> >>>>>> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to
enhance
> >>>>>> identity security.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
> >>>>>> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is
important
> >>>>>> all levels of government work on this issue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
> >>>>>> We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory
in
> >>>>>> joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There ya go, troops.
> >>>>>> Expect it all to be based on your drivers licences, as in the
Yankee
> >>>>>> model being aped.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As predicted in a post some weeks ago. Accurately.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BTW, I have 'issues' with the numbers used by that unelected but
> >>>>>> appointed and anointed turd ellison:
> >>>>>> If fraudulent activity (NOTE addition of 'theft' which has fuck-all
> > to
> >>>>>> do with fraud), and by definition not all the perpetrators are
> >>>>>> identified and the matter therefore not analysed at trial, how the
> >>>>>> fuck does he know what the real figure is?
> >>>>>> Pick an number, any number. Every player wins a prize!!
> >>>>>> That's right Virginia, it's the Tax write-downs being used
> > again:-))))
> >>>>>> And *very* probably a fraud in themselves for the most part.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also not the 'support' from the States?
> >>>>>> Just another result of the *GST_Grab*, troops, just another one
where
> >>>>>> the states get to grovel for the boodle, and sell us down the river
> > in
> >>>>>> the process. Lovely.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (Sorry about that word 'boodle' - just can't help it since
Charteris
> >>>>>> arrived unannounced in a post last night.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Toby.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people
who
> >>>>>> are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about
t -
> >>>>>> Einstein
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence
and
> >>>> my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.
> >>>
> >>> And I could use latex to copy your fingerprints, but life would be so
> > much
> >>> better in a world without paper, photo or computer ID, where anyone
> > could
> >>> just say they were you any damn-well time they pleased.
> >>
> >> Matter of fact, it would.
> >> Then no bastard would make assumptions about who was who at the zoo.
> >> --
> >> Toby.
> >
> > Your right, why should you have to prove where you live or how old you
were
> > or your qualifications?
> > And of course people could just change their name/address/trade/age on
the
> > spot whenever it suited them or they owed someone money.
> > A blissful Utopia indeed.
>
> as usual you (deliberately)missed the point.
> If no-one was required to prove who the fuck they were on almost a
> minute-by-minute basis in this sick society, then there wouldn't be
> anything in particular hanging off identity.
> Ergo, the bad bastards wouldn't be able to 'take advantage', as they
> do now.
> You also need to remember that the identity game is one placed by
> statute law and the money changers.
> No-one else gives a shit.
> And nor should they.
> eg, every time you buy something with either a credit card or a debit
> card, your identity IS involved.
> Paying cash?
> Nope - but not always the case.
> But I guess you've noticed sometimes when you pay cash, the servants
> of the money changers, or the statute law, want to see some ID.
> Getting the message yet?
>
> Toby.

Yep, if nobody has to prove their identity life is good?

[Albm&ctd]

***I snipped***
> > >
> > > I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.
> >
> > Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence and
> > my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.
>
> And I could use latex to copy your fingerprints, but life would be so much
> better in a world without paper, photo or computer ID, where anyone could
> just say they were you any damn-well time they pleased.
>
Nobody could say they were you unless their ID
had IOT after it :-0

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d0c23fab04fa38198972c@news.aioe.org...
> ***I snipped***
> > > >
> > > > I use my licence all the time to prove I'm me, seems to work ok.
> > >
> > > Yup, and if I decided to play, I could have a copy of your licence and
> > > my photo to prove I'm you any time I damm-well pleased.
> >
> > And I could use latex to copy your fingerprints, but life would be so
much
> > better in a world without paper, photo or computer ID, where anyone
could
> > just say they were you any damn-well time they pleased.
> >
> Nobody could say they were you unless their ID
> had IOT after it :-0
>
> Al

Got it, but it was very poor quality IMO. :-)

[Albm&ctd]

In article <po08n2x9ar.ln2@innovative.iinet.net.au>,
bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au says...
> Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> writes:
> >In article <1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> >toby@privacy.net says...
> >> From ABC Newsmail List.
> >>
> >> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
> >>
> >> States back national approach to ID security
> >>
> >> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
> >> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
> >> identity security.
> >>
> >> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
> >> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>
> >> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
> >> all levels of government work on this issue.
>
> >I still want a microchip under my fur.
>
> I'm still amazed that the government hasn't pretended to have woken
> up yet and realized that protecting privacy is the best tool for
> protecting identity. I'm even more amazed that the lynch mobs aren't
> in front of their respective parliaments demanding effective privacy
> laws and their enforcement.
>
> Anybody who thinks that ID cards in a digital world are a good idea
> should read Bruce Schneier's "Secrets and Lies".
>
Where might one find this?

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Albm&ctd]

In article <42a1448e@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, atec77@XXXhotmail.com
says...
> Albm&ctd wrote:
> > In article <1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> > toby@privacy.net says...
> >
> >>From ABC Newsmail List.
> >>
> >>"Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
> >>
> >>States back national approach to ID security
> >>
> >>The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
> >>the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
> >>identity security.
> >>
> >>The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
> >>police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
> >>
> >>Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
> >>all levels of government work on this issue.
> >>
> >
> > I still want a microchip under my fur.
> >
> > Al
> How about a kick in the groin ?.
>
I want an impact resistant microchip under my fur.

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Murray]

It won't be much of an extension of the proposed
medicare card with internal chip containing the
holder's medical records.

As it exisits now, a medicare card has a unique
number for each citizen registerd.
(I know a very few who aren't registerd but that's
something else)
Murray

Toby Ponsenby wrote:
> From ABC Newsmail List.
>
> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>
> States back national approach to ID security
>
> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
> identity security.
>
> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>
> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
> all levels of government work on this issue.
>
> "Identity fraud and theft cost Australia about $1.1 billion a year.
> We're very pleased with the support from the states and territory in
> joining the Commonwealth with this initiative," he said."
CUT............

[Bernd Felsche]

Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> writes:

>In article <po08n2x9ar.ln2@innovative.iinet.net.au>,
>bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au says...
>> Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> writes:
>> >In article <1mgy165ako8be.eyuhi5n1gd1e$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>> >toby@privacy.net says...
>> >> From ABC Newsmail List.
>> >>
>> >> "Last Update: Wednesday, June 1, 2005. 6:04pm (AEST)
>> >>
>> >> States back national approach to ID security
>> >>
>> >> The nation's state and territory governments have agreed to support
>> >> the Federal Government in developing a national framework to enhance
>> >> identity security.
>> >>
>> >> The proposal has been given the green light by state and territory
>> >> police ministers at a meeting in Brisbane today.
>>
>> >> Federal Customs Minister, Senator Chris Ellison, says it is important
>> >> all levels of government work on this issue.
>>
>> >I still want a microchip under my fur.
>>
>> I'm still amazed that the government hasn't pretended to have woken
>> up yet and realized that protecting privacy is the best tool for
>> protecting identity. I'm even more amazed that the lynch mobs aren't
>> in front of their respective parliaments demanding effective privacy
>> laws and their enforcement.

>> Anybody who thinks that ID cards in a digital world are a good idea
>> should read Bruce Schneier's "Secrets and Lies".

>Where might one find this?

ISBN 0-471-45380-3
Library of bookshop. Or Borrow from a friend.

online e.g.
http://www.elx.com.au/item/0471453803?elx=99808d23ad173e69648a05190e6dd00c

By all accounts, is another worthy book; "Beyond Fear" (ISBN
0387026207) by the same author. It's said to be somewhat "less
digital".
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