Here we go - The 'water resistant' asphalt and how to get away with murder Part 1 - QLD.

[Toby Ponsenby]

An interesting 'story' indeed.
<http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15699811%255E952,00.html>
or
<http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>

I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
Bloody hell.

So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
fact banned in Ireland???
Bullshit it didn't know.
Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
jobbie to look after the population.
Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[John_H]

Toby Ponsenby wrote:

>An interesting 'story' indeed.
><http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>
>
>I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
>hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.

So... do we get a 50k speed limit, or 'slippery when wet' signs?

Also noting that the cop at the scene of the recent fatality left no
doubt as to which driver he thought was to blame (thankfully
Queensland cops don't use copspeak and tend to say exactly what they
mean in plain English). Wonder if he's been ordered to pull his
report yet. :)

--
John H

[Mot Adv-NSW]

>>An interesting 'story' indeed.
>><http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>
>>
>>I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
>>hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
>
> So... do we get a 50k speed limit, or 'slippery when wet' signs?


> Also noting that the cop at the scene of the recent fatality left no
> doubt as to which driver he thought was to blame (thankfully
> Queensland cops don't use copspeak and tend to say exactly what they
> mean in plain English). Wonder if he's been ordered to pull his
> report yet. :)

I like this bit of enlightenment "A Main Roads spokesman said the department
was not aware of restrictions placed on stone mastic asphalt in Ireland and
would investigate the reports".

Whilst being further in the dark as to Continental EU experience.

Are ways and means to challenge the 2003 QLD legislation (and other
protective law created as created in other states to protect themselves from
Brodie type outcomes), but this could see the matter go beyond QLD courts to
achieve.

The QLD Department Main Roads is negligent in its failing in a duty of care
in not fully assessing the new surface type.

In defence QLD will rely on tyre tread depths of wrecked vehicles and speed
under the prevailing conditions, this will not absolve them of 'blame', but
will help reduce potential payouts.

I'll chase this matter up here in NSW.

JP.



>
> --
> John H

[Diesel Damo]

"Lawyers said yesterday that legislation was introduced in 2003 to
cover authorities from litigation."

<throws hands up in the air>

[Bill]

Toby Ponsenby wrote:
> An interesting 'story' indeed.
> <http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15699811%255E952,00.html>
> or
> <http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>
>
> I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
> hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
> Bloody hell.
>
> So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
> concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
> fact banned in Ireland???
> Bullshit it didn't know.
> Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
> bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
> definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
> As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
> GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
> basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
> aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
> jobbie to look after the population.
> Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.
>
> --
> Toby.
> quidquid latine dictum
> sit, altum viditur

Had a good larf will watch the local TEN news tonite. The news
conference questions were getting pretty heavy with the Minister backed
into a corner. His minder suddenly reminded the Minister he had
another appointment.... LOL

The only thing that has kept QLD's road toll down is the drought. I
now drive REALLY carefully over this Death surface.

Cheers
Bill

[Toby Ponsenby]

On 24 Jun 2005 05:23:44 -0700, Bill wrote:

> Toby Ponsenby wrote:
>> An interesting 'story' indeed.
>> <http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15699811%255E952,00.html>
>> or
>> <http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>
>>
>> I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
>> hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
>> Bloody hell.
>>
>> So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
>> concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
>> fact banned in Ireland???
>> Bullshit it didn't know.
>> Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
>> bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
>> definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
>> As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
>> GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
>> basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
>> aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
>> jobbie to look after the population.
>> Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.
>>
>> --
>> Toby.
>> quidquid latine dictum
>> sit, altum viditur
>
> Had a good larf will watch the local TEN news tonite. The news
> conference questions were getting pretty heavy with the Minister backed
> into a corner. His minder suddenly reminded the Minister he had
> another appointment.... LOL
>
> The only thing that has kept QLD's road toll down is the drought. I
> now drive REALLY carefully over this Death surface.
>
> Cheers
> Bill

Been wondering just what it's like - ie, is it the same shite they put
on the local roads and upped the head-on and wet weather no brakes
prang count.
Could you describe the stuff you see in your area?

Hereabouts it looks like the old coarse chip cold-mix but seems to
have a better tar coating. That is, it looks black, but the surface
you're driving on is actually rock chip.
I'm beginning to believe the wet weather aquaplaning is a 'blind' and
the real deal is that the stuff is simply bad news when it's wet. I
mean 'just' wet, not necessarily flooded wet.
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Mot Adv-NSW]

> Hereabouts it looks like the old coarse chip cold-mix but seems to
> have a better tar coating. That is, it looks black, but the surface
> you're driving on is actually rock chip.
> I'm beginning to believe the wet weather aquaplaning is a 'blind' and
> the real deal is that the stuff is simply bad news when it's wet. I
> mean 'just' wet, not necessarily flooded wet.

Might be so called New Zealand Chip Seal? . . .

J.


> --
> Toby.
> quidquid latine dictum
> sit, altum viditur

[Bill]

The road surface has "sticky rubber" look. Feels a little sticky in
the dry with a change in road noise to match. The road colour seems to
stay black longer when new, unlike the old hot mix which quickly
"greys".

Bill

[Toby Ponsenby]

On 24 Jun 2005 07:07:02 -0700, Bill wrote:

> The road surface has "sticky rubber" look. Feels a little sticky in
> the dry with a change in road noise to match. The road colour seems to
> stay black longer when new, unlike the old hot mix which quickly
> "greys".
>
> Bill

If you can do so without risking your neck, lets know whether the chip
in it looks like the stuff in the links J put up? Like is it 14 mm or
10, for instance.
Interested if the 'standard' has been bodgied up obviously.

They've been ripping up perfectly good hotmix locally and replacing it
or simply going over the top of existing pavements with what looks
suspiciously like the stuff that's in the gun at the moment. Plenty of
extra prangs to cite, too.

No to worry too muc though - I'll be needing to test a car fix soon
over enough distance to go have a closer look at that 1.4 Kms near
Gympie;-)

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur