Here we go - The 'water resistant' asphalt and how to get away with murder Part 1 - QLD.

[Toby Ponsenby]

An interesting 'story' indeed.
QLD residents might care to save that story - the Courier Mail charges
for golden oldies.

<http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15699811%255E952,00.html>
or
<http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>

I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
Bloody hell.

So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
fact banned in Ireland???
Bullshit it didn't know.
Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
jobbie to look after the population.
Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[rmcgrice]

Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net> wrote in
news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net:

> An interesting 'story' indeed.
> QLD residents might care to save that story - the Courier Mail charges
> for golden oldies.
>
> <http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,1569981
> 1%255E952,00.html> or
> <http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>
>
> I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
> hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
> Bloody hell.
>
> So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
> concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
> fact banned in Ireland???
> Bullshit it didn't know.
> Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
> bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
> definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
> As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
> GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
> basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
> aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
> jobbie to look after the population.
> Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.
>

What is worse is the fact the gateway bridge is also covered in it!

Regards,
Ron

[Mot Adv-NSW]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net...

NSW is also using the surface. At this stage how much and where and on what
category is unknown.

This raises the issue of country road deaths in particular, but not limited
to that category, I am thinking of a particular very recent VIC crash.

The matter is now before NSW Minister.

JP

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:44:09 +1000, Mot Adv-NSW wrote:

> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> NSW is also using the surface. At this stage how much and where and on what
> category is unknown.
>
> This raises the issue of country road deaths in particular, but not limited
> to that category, I am thinking of a particular very recent VIC crash.
>
> The matter is now before NSW Minister.
>
> JP

Eewwwww...

Another state roads authority and possibly another (Vic) unaware of
the lethal nature of the stuff?
WTF went on there?
Was it the drought that let it happen?

All these study tours and no study.....

This is classic pants down stuff for GovCo.
But the truly suspicions thing is the QLD 2003 legislation - did they
know about this stuff then?

Bet the shredders are running hot about now in quite a few roads
authority offices.
But not to worry, the various state treasuries will bail them out by
admitting their budget christmas holds were a tad severe, and they
really didn't mean to put all those fines to consolidated revenue.
Not.


--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Rainbow Warrior]

I heard they were going to start

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message

using ground up

news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net...
> An interesting 'story' indeed.
> QLD residents might care to save that story - the Courier Mail charges
> for golden oldies.

Magnas

>
>
<http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15699811%255
E952,00.html>
> or
> <http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>

Just another Govco conspiricy for sure, like stop signs & red lights

>
> I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
> hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
> Bloody hell.
>
> So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
> concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
> fact banned in Ireland???
> Bullshit it didn't know.
> Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
> bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
> definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
> As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
> GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
> basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
> aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
> jobbie to look after the population.
> Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.
>
> --
> Toby.
> quidquid latine dictum
> sit, altum viditur

[Mot Adv-NSW]

More on the subject surface:
"Laying Stone Mastic Surface" (Pics).
http://www.highwaysmaintenance.com/SMAlaypics.htm

Austroads detail on the issue (Pdf).
http://www.austroads.com.au/pdf/TechNotes/Technical_Note_16.pdf


--
Buy a hazard warning triangle for your vehicle for use at crash scenes (to
prevent secondary) and breakdowns, store it in the boot. I suggest Hella
Part Number 2901, or BMW Spare Part Number 7160 1095 457. Race & Rally of
Greenacre in Sydney have an ECE triangle for $23 with slightly reduced wind
stability, a worthwhile budget option! All are superior to Australian
Standard 3790 and 3790B type.

[Patrick Young]

Mot Adv-NSW wrote:

> Buy a hazard warning triangle for your vehicle for use at crash
scenes > (to prevent secondary) and breakdowns, store it in the boot.

Or behind the front pax seat in a single cab pickup.

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:28:55 +1000, Mot Adv-NSW wrote:

> More on the subject surface:
> "Laying Stone Mastic Surface" (Pics).
> http://www.highwaysmaintenance.com/SMAlaypics.htm
>
> Austroads detail on the issue (Pdf).
> http://www.austroads.com.au/pdf/TechNotes/Technical_Note_16.pdf

Shite! The stuff even looks lethal in mugshots:-)
How could they....

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Mot Adv-NSW]

> > Buy a hazard warning triangle for your vehicle for use at crash
> scenes > (to prevent secondary) and breakdowns, store it in the boot.
>
> Or behind the front pax seat in a single cab pickup.

Good man - Is your unit Aus Standard or ECE?

[Roger & Lorraine Martin]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:kp83yrhmjub1.2ge3sxkhl1s7$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:44:09 +1000, Mot Adv-NSW wrote:
>
> > "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net...
> >
> > NSW is also using the surface. At this stage how much and where and on
what
> > category is unknown.
> >
> > This raises the issue of country road deaths in particular, but not
limited
> > to that category, I am thinking of a particular very recent VIC crash.
> >
> > The matter is now before NSW Minister.
> >
> > JP
>
> Eewwwww...
>
> Another state roads authority and possibly another (Vic) unaware of
> the lethal nature of the stuff?
> WTF went on there?
> Was it the drought that let it happen?
>
> All these study tours and no study.....
>
> This is classic pants down stuff for GovCo.
> But the truly suspicions thing is the QLD 2003 legislation - did they
> know about this stuff then?
>

Nah, this was to protect local councils who had been found lacking
in maintaining their roads and were being sued in relation to pothole
accidents. The insurers were declaring no coverage as this was a
normal risk of driving on a public road. The likelihood was that the
rate/taxpayers would foot the bill (as is the case when sueing any public
authority).

Now whether the government has the right to prevent common law
action against an individual(s) who knowingly allowed the continued
use of a defective surface is another matter. Shame that the Transport
Workers Union is not serious about safety and issue "improvement
notices" on the Main Roads Executives involved. Get them into court
on OH&S - now that would be sweet because the legislation for OH&S
specifically prohibits individuals from being protected by legislation if
I remember correctly.

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:26:07 GMT, Roger & Lorraine Martin wrote:

> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:kp83yrhmjub1.2ge3sxkhl1s7$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:44:09 +1000, Mot Adv-NSW wrote:
>>
>>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>> NSW is also using the surface. At this stage how much and where and on
> what
>>> category is unknown.
>>>
>>> This raises the issue of country road deaths in particular, but not
> limited
>>> to that category, I am thinking of a particular very recent VIC crash.
>>>
>>> The matter is now before NSW Minister.
>>>
>>> JP
>>
>> Eewwwww...
>>
>> Another state roads authority and possibly another (Vic) unaware of
>> the lethal nature of the stuff?
>> WTF went on there?
>> Was it the drought that let it happen?
>>
>> All these study tours and no study.....
>>
>> This is classic pants down stuff for GovCo.
>> But the truly suspicions thing is the QLD 2003 legislation - did they
>> know about this stuff then?
>>
>
> Nah, this was to protect local councils who had been found lacking
> in maintaining their roads and were being sued in relation to pothole
> accidents. The insurers were declaring no coverage as this was a
> normal risk of driving on a public road. The likelihood was that the
> rate/taxpayers would foot the bill (as is the case when sueing any public
> authority).
>
> Now whether the government has the right to prevent common law
> action against an individual(s) who knowingly allowed the continued
> use of a defective surface is another matter. Shame that the Transport
> Workers Union is not serious about safety and issue "improvement
> notices" on the Main Roads Executives involved. Get them into court
> on OH&S - now that would be sweet because the legislation for OH&S
> specifically prohibits individuals from being protected by legislation if
> I remember correctly.

It might go that way.
However if anyone want to win a case they may as well forget having a
go at the Aus.state level. If not completely corrupt, they're
spineless extensions of GovCo.
As is the high court, I guess - however, that mob have a 'reputation'
to protect. It also has to take care in matters relating to natural
justice and lets face it - H.C.aus is staring into the business end of
the barrel of common law that a great number of people have aimed fair
between it's eyes.

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Mot Adv-NSW" <mot.adv@gotalk.net.au> wrote in message
news:42bbe50c$0$18648$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>
>
> > > Buy a hazard warning triangle for your vehicle for use at crash
> > scenes > (to prevent secondary) and breakdowns, store it in the boot.
> >
> > Or behind the front pax seat in a single cab pickup.
>
> Good man - Is your unit Aus Standard or ECE?

Does it really matter that much?

Is your earth stake good? Is it protected from weather?
Have you had your 12 monthly safety switch testing done?
Are your appliances to Australian standards and have they been tested even
though it's not mandatory in domestic situations.
Are your work PC tags current?

More people every year are electricuted than run over while changing tyres
at night.

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net...
> An interesting 'story' indeed.
> QLD residents might care to save that story - the Courier Mail charges
> for golden oldies.
>
>
<http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15699811%255
E952,00.html>
> or
> <http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>

They just laid new stuff down my street, mustn't be it or I'd have lost
control & ended up doing a 180 backing out in the rain the other day.

I hosed it and the water didn't soak in so I have suspicions, it's a blended
product.


>
> I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
> hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
> Bloody hell.
>
> So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
> concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
> fact banned in Ireland???
> Bullshit it didn't know.
> Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
> bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
> definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
> As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
> GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
> basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
> aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
> jobbie to look after the population.
> Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.
>
> --
> Toby.
> quidquid latine dictum
> sit, altum viditur

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:20:14 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net...
>> An interesting 'story' indeed.
>> QLD residents might care to save that story - the Courier Mail charges
>> for golden oldies.
>>
>>
> <http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15699811%255
> E952,00.html>
>> or
>> <http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>
>
> They just laid new stuff down my street, mustn't be it or I'd have lost
> control & ended up doing a 180 backing out in the rain the other day.
>
> I hosed it and the water didn't soak in so I have suspicions, it's a blended
> product.
>
>
>>
>> I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
>> hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
>> Bloody hell.
>>
>> So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
>> concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
>> fact banned in Ireland???
>> Bullshit it didn't know.
>> Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
>> bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
>> definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
>> As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
>> GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
>> basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
>> aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
>> jobbie to look after the population.
>> Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.
>>
>> --
>> Toby.
>> quidquid latine dictum
>> sit, altum viditur

C'mon, you can do better than that shite.
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1ktk7nk2n47js.eraifqprlrxd$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:20:14 +1000, Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
> > "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:1i6ci3yrqwjtg.cydfsi5smthe.dlg@40tude.net...
> >> An interesting 'story' indeed.
> >> QLD residents might care to save that story - the Courier Mail charges
> >> for golden oldies.
> >>
> >>
> >
<http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15699811%255
> > E952,00.html>
> >> or
> >> <http://tinyurl.com/dzazp>
> >
> > They just laid new stuff down my street, mustn't be it or I'd have lost
> > control & ended up doing a 180 backing out in the rain the other day.
> >
> > I hosed it and the water didn't soak in so I have suspicions, it's a
blended
> > product.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I'm sure there's more to the story than the rag has there, and the
> >> hint is the 1280Km figure mentioned.
> >> Bloody hell.
> >>
> >> So all this stuff was plastered onto the ground and the department
> >> concerned didn't know the stuff had been discredited elsewhere, and in
> >> fact banned in Ireland???
> >> Bullshit it didn't know.
> >> Why do I know this? Because that's what any legal challenge to the
> >> bastards needs to hang off. So it has to be denied almost by
> >> definition, and sure enough, that's the first denial off the rank.
> >> As for the stuff about lasting longer. Oh goodie - I'm so pleased
> >> GovCo is saving my money. I'm really simply upset that they have
> >> basically admitted that money is the objective over safety and they
> >> aren't slitting their own throats - because it's GovCo's advertised
> >> jobbie to look after the population.
> >> Clearly - as I've often said, that's a SCAM.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Toby.
> >> quidquid latine dictum
> >> sit, altum viditur
>
> C'mon, you can do better than that shite.
> --
> Toby.
> quidquid latine dictum
> sit, altum viditur

Shit in, Shit out :P

[Mot Adv-NSW]

>> Good man - Is your unit Aus Standard or ECE?
>
> Does it really matter that much?

Yes, the Australian Standard on the matter is childish rubbish.


> Is your earth stake good? Is it protected from weather?

Yes, quite fine thank you...


> Have you had your 12 monthly safety switch testing done?

No.

> Are your appliances to Australian standards and have they been tested even
> though it's not mandatory in domestic situations.

Yes, and yes...


> Are your work PC tags current?

Yes... everythings up to date.

> More people every year are electricuted than run over while changing tyres
> at night.

Typical! Triangles aren't 'just for night'. Goodnight Rainbow, a French
agent will see you soon.

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Mot Adv-NSW" <mot.adv@gotalk.net.au> wrote in message
news:42bd6577$0$18637$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>
> >> Good man - Is your unit Aus Standard or ECE?
> >
> > Does it really matter that much?
>
> Yes, the Australian Standard on the matter is childish rubbish.
>
>
> > Is your earth stake good? Is it protected from weather?
>
> Yes, quite fine thank you...
>
>
> > Have you had your 12 monthly safety switch testing done?
>
> No.
>
> > Are your appliances to Australian standards and have they been tested
even
> > though it's not mandatory in domestic situations.
>
> Yes, and yes...
>
>
> > Are your work PC tags current?
>
> Yes... everythings up to date.
>
> > More people every year are electricuted than run over while changing
tyres
> > at night.
>
> Typical! Triangles aren't 'just for night'. Goodnight Rainbow, a French
> agent will see you soon.

Probably the same one who prowls around looking to run people over using non
ECC triangles.

[Patrick Young]

Mot Adv-NSW wrote:

>>>Buy a hazard warning triangle for your vehicle for use at crash
>>
>>scenes > (to prevent secondary) and breakdowns, store it in the boot.
>>
>>Or behind the front pax seat in a single cab pickup.
>
> Good man - Is your unit Aus Standard or ECE?

Triangulo Aviso Averia
Segun Estandard Europeo ECE R27

$16.50 @ auto 1. (RG9212)

All I need now is the uber 'eexy flourescent vest?

Oh, and more space behind the seats - there is far too
much crap right down to snatch straps there ATM.

[Diesel Damo]

Patrick Young wrote:
> Oh, and more space behind the seats

Mines a dual cab, but it's set up as a two-seater. Loads of (organised)
crap secured in the back seat... but on many occasions I have wished I
had a full tray =)

[Mot Adv-NSW]

"Patrick Young" <.net.au...
> Mot Adv-NSW wrote:

>> Good man - Is your unit Aus Standard or ECE?

> Triangulo Aviso Averia
> Segun Estandard Europeo ECE R27
> $16.50 @ auto 1. (RG9212)

> All I need now is the uber 'eexy flourescent vest?

These days, so described 'workplace' safety shops have heaps of vests,
jackets and vests. Not all bad that I've seen. Its all a matter how one
values ones life and loved ones. The idea is to never have to use the
items, and I sincerely hope you don't have that need.

Bernd posted a few weeks back it is now mandatory in some EU places to wear
them when attending your vehicle! In addition to hazard warning lights,
triangle...

In our AUS driver training manuals I merely 'suggested' vests at this stage.
Making a point in same to 'use a road channel to alert approaching traffic
of on-road danger' and to use its GovCo alocated 'emergency channel' to
raise help if other means fail, that sort of thing.

Not exactly driving, but 'defensive roadcraft environment' stuff.

Just prompts folk....

R J.




> Oh, and more space behind the seats - there is far too
> much crap right down to snatch straps there ATM.

Never enough space!


Buy a hazard warning triangle for your vehicle for use at crash scenes (to
prevent secondary) and breakdowns, store it in the boot. I suggest Hella
Part Number 2901, or BMW Spare Part Number 7160 1095 457. Race & Rally of
Greenacre in Sydney have an ECE triangle for $23 with slightly reduced wind
stability, a worthwhile budget option! All are superior to Australian
Standard 3790 and 3790B type.