Fine Question

[Gonz]

Got a letter from Vicroads to say that the car rego was suspended due to me
not getting a roady after I bought it, I never received a warning or
nothing, anyway, I thought, better get work done and get the roady, I had to
get some rust cut out of the roof, so I drove it to the next town to get it
done.

Got a reminder in the post this week to pay some fines, one was for driving
unregistered motor vehicle, the other a speeding fine for the same day, same
time, I were under the impression that if you were moving the vehicle to a
place to get work done for a roady, this was fine, as long as that was all
you were doing.

I were also under the impression from here that in the case of there being 2
fines, they would only fine you the highest.

Is there anyway I can get of the unregistered vehicle fine, I have since got
the roady and all is well

And, whats with VIC ROADS, do they ever send out the first notices?

[a9x5l]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:55:42 +1000, Gonz wrote:

> Got a letter from Vicroads to say that the car rego was suspended due to me
> not getting a roady after I bought it, I never received a warning or
> nothing, anyway, I thought, better get work done and get the roady, I had to
> get some rust cut out of the roof, so I drove it to the next town to get it
> done.

How did you forget/not know the car needed a roadworthy when you bought
it?

>
> Got a reminder in the post this week to pay some fines, one was for driving
> unregistered motor vehicle, the other a speeding fine for the same day, same
> time, I were under the impression that if you were moving the vehicle to a
> place to get work done for a roady, this was fine, as long as that was all
> you were doing.

You need a cover note from Vicroads to drive an unregistered car.

>
> I were also under the impression from here that in the case of there
> being 2 fines, they would only fine you the highest.
>
> Is there anyway I can get of the unregistered vehicle fine, I have since
> got the roady and all is well

Having a roadworthy *now* can't excuse you from doing the wrong thing
*then*, can it?

>
> And, whats with VIC ROADS, do they ever send out the first notices?

It's up to you to organize and deal with getting your car
roadworthy/registered when you buy it, why would you have to wait for
Vicroads to send out notices??

--
a9x5l

[Gonz]

>> Got a letter from Vicroads to say that the car rego was suspended due to
>> me
>> not getting a roady after I bought it, I never received a warning or
>> nothing, anyway, I thought, better get work done and get the roady, I had
>> to
>> get some rust cut out of the roof, so I drove it to the next town to get
>> it
>> done.
>
> How did you forget/not know the car needed a roadworthy when you bought
> it?

I didn't forget, I had arranged for a guy to do the roof but he had
disappeared when I went to get him to do it, so it was just a matter of
finding someone else that would do it at a reasonable cost

>> Got a reminder in the post this week to pay some fines, one was for
>> driving
>> unregistered motor vehicle, the other a speeding fine for the same day,
>> same
>> time, I were under the impression that if you were moving the vehicle to
>> a
>> place to get work done for a roady, this was fine, as long as that was
>> all
>> you were doing.
>
> You need a cover note from Vicroads to drive an unregistered car.

Technicaly it was registered, just suspended

>> I were also under the impression from here that in the case of there
>> being 2 fines, they would only fine you the highest.
>>
>> Is there anyway I can get of the unregistered vehicle fine, I have since
>> got the roady and all is well
>
> Having a roadworthy *now* can't excuse you from doing the wrong thing
> *then*, can it?

what wrong thing am I doing now? car is fully registered.

>> And, whats with VIC ROADS, do they ever send out the first notices?
>
> It's up to you to organize and deal with getting your car
> roadworthy/registered when you buy it, why would you have to wait for
> Vicroads to send out notices??

the roady was in the pipeline, just needed the extra time.

[Zodiac]

Why did they send the fine to you ? How did you get the car registered in
your name without a RWC ?

"Gonz" <abuse@abuse.com> wrote in message
news:d9ia2l$2opt$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> Got a letter from Vicroads to say that the car rego was suspended due to
> me not getting a roady after I bought it, I never received a warning or
> nothing, anyway, I thought, better get work done and get the roady, I had
> to get some rust cut out of the roof, so I drove it to the next town to
> get it done.
>
> Got a reminder in the post this week to pay some fines, one was for
> driving unregistered motor vehicle, the other a speeding fine for the same
> day, same time, I were under the impression that if you were moving the
> vehicle to a place to get work done for a roady, this was fine, as long as
> that was all you were doing.
>
> I were also under the impression from here that in the case of there being
> 2 fines, they would only fine you the highest.
>
> Is there anyway I can get of the unregistered vehicle fine, I have since
> got the roady and all is well
>
> And, whats with VIC ROADS, do they ever send out the first notices?
>

[Lily Lubis, attorney at law]

the onus is on you to get it roadworthied and registered.

vicroads give you 14 days grace or something, after then they suspend
the rego.

>Got a letter from Vicroads to say that the car rego was suspended due to me
> not getting a roady after I bought it, I never received a warning

i'd say that was the warning!

--

Lily Lubis (Ms)
Attorney at Law
5/37 Paknabiel Way
Denpasar, Indonesia.

Defamation cases our speciality!

[athol]

a9x5l <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote:

> You need a cover note from Vicroads to drive an unregistered car.

Bastards. In NSW, you still have to remove the plates but can legally
drive an unregistered vehicle for purposes directly related to the
registration process.

Leaving the plates on an unregistered vehicle in NSW gets a fine of
around $1K for unregistered, uninsured.

A few years ago, they restructured the regulations and, in the process,
shifted the bit that allows the above unregistered use. Instead of
being right after the bit that says that it is an offence to drive an
unregistered vehicle (or tow an unregistered trailer), it is now hidden
in clause 17 of schedule 1, causing some police to believe that it is
no longer in the regulation.

Interestingly, it is an offence to drive a vehicle to get it inspected
without removing the plates if it is unregistered, but clause 18 of
schedule 1 allows an authorised examiner to drive the vehicle with
expired rego and plates on!?!

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<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Gonz]

> Why did they send the fine to you ? How did you get the car registered in
> your name without a RWC ?

do the transfer the day you buy it, straight transfer, you have about 30
days then they send a warning letter

[Lily Lubis, attorney at law]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:36:43 +1000, "Zodiac"
<zodiacmindwarp@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Why did they send the fine to you ? How did you get the car registered in
>your name without a RWC ?
>
they give you 14 days or so to produce the RWC then they suspend your
rego

--

Lily Lubis (Ms)
Attorney at Law
5/37 Paknabiel Way
Denpasar, Indonesia.

Defamation cases our speciality!

[rmcgrice]

athol <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:1119668303.231952@idlweb:

> a9x5l <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You need a cover note from Vicroads to drive an unregistered car.
>
> Bastards. In NSW, you still have to remove the plates but can legally
> drive an unregistered vehicle for purposes directly related to the
> registration process.
>
> Leaving the plates on an unregistered vehicle in NSW gets a fine of
> around $1K for unregistered, uninsured.
>
> A few years ago, they restructured the regulations and, in the process,
> shifted the bit that allows the above unregistered use. Instead of
> being right after the bit that says that it is an offence to drive an
> unregistered vehicle (or tow an unregistered trailer), it is now hidden
> in clause 17 of schedule 1, causing some police to believe that it is
> no longer in the regulation.
>
> Interestingly, it is an offence to drive a vehicle to get it inspected
> without removing the plates if it is unregistered, but clause 18 of
> schedule 1 allows an authorised examiner to drive the vehicle with
> expired rego and plates on!?!
>

In QLD you can drive it on the day you are getting it registered,
providing you have paid the insurance levy first. Any other time you
have to buy a road permit plus insurance. Something like $80 for the
day...

Regards,
Ron

[Shane]

Yeah I thought it was a fine question. A damned fine question :)

[Shane]

"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:1119668303.231952@idlweb...
> a9x5l <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You need a cover note from Vicroads to drive an unregistered car.
>
> Bastards. In NSW, you still have to remove the plates but can legally
> drive an unregistered vehicle for purposes directly related to the
> registration process.
>
> Leaving the plates on an unregistered vehicle in NSW gets a fine of
> around $1K for unregistered, uninsured.
>
> A few years ago, they restructured the regulations and, in the process,
> shifted the bit that allows the above unregistered use. Instead of
> being right after the bit that says that it is an offence to drive an
> unregistered vehicle (or tow an unregistered trailer), it is now hidden
> in clause 17 of schedule 1, causing some police to believe that it is
> no longer in the regulation.
>
> Interestingly, it is an offence to drive a vehicle to get it inspected
> without removing the plates if it is unregistered, but clause 18 of
> schedule 1 allows an authorised examiner to drive the vehicle with
> expired rego and plates on!?!


They could clear a lot of confusion up if they simply made it compulsory for
the owners of unregistered vehicles to firstly book their respective
vehicles in for an inspection or work and be bale to prove it. The amount of
people we stop who simply say that they're looking for an inspection station
that's open is beyond a joke. Remember, it's the nearest *convenient* place
of repair and not the nearest anymore.

>
> --
> Athol
> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
> The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[athol]

Shane <sdw@coolcats.net.au> wrote:

> They could clear a lot of confusion up if they simply made it compulsory for
> the owners of unregistered vehicles to firstly book their respective
> vehicles in for an inspection or work and be bale to prove it.

Agreed. I work only on appointments, and if someone shows up without one, I
will ask them when they want to book it in.

A while back, I had a truck come down from Muswellbrook to Newcastle for an
inspection. It went through a safe-t-cam at Belford, with plates on. Several
months later, the RTA rang to confirm that it really had been booked in.

If someone has an appointment, I wouldn't have a problem with a cop ringing me
and confirming it.

> The amount of
> people we stop who simply say that they're looking for an inspection station
> that's open is beyond a joke. Remember, it's the nearest *convenient* place
> of repair and not the nearest anymore.

Reminds me of a story told by a local cop. He pulled someone up and they
claimed that they were on the way to the wreckers "to see if they had a
blinker lens to replace the one that is broken". He booked them. His
comment to me was that if they had said that they were on the way to the
wreckers "because they have the lens and they're going to fit it", he would
have let them off.

Definately needs "for which they have an appointment" or similar added to the
regulation, except that one purpose is weighbridge and I imagine that the
weighbridge types would object to being required to take and record bookings.

On a positive note, I'm doing my bit to reduce the movements of unregistered
vehicles in the Newcastle area - I've ordered a noise meter so they won't
have to go to an exhaust place separately for the test. As a bonus, the
test will be done correctly and the forms will be filled out correctly FFS!

If it was practical, I'd probably also do blue slips. That would cut the
movements a lot more, since every unregistered vehicle I certify goes for a
blue slip pretty much straight after the certificate, and they go to places
all over the region. Then I just need to have a loaner courtesy car for
them to drive to the local RTA (about 4km round trip) and they could drive
home registered. :-)

Hmm. I wonder if the weighbridge function of a "platetronic" brake tester
would be acceptable to the RTA...

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[feral]

athol wrote:

> Shane <sdw@coolcats.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>>They could clear a lot of confusion up if they simply made it compulsory for
>>the owners of unregistered vehicles to firstly book their respective
>>vehicles in for an inspection or work and be bale to prove it.
>
>
> Agreed. I work only on appointments, and if someone shows up without one, I
> will ask them when they want to book it in.
>
> A while back, I had a truck come down from Muswellbrook to Newcastle for an
> inspection. It went through a safe-t-cam at Belford, with plates on. Several
> months later, the RTA rang to confirm that it really had been booked in.
>
> If someone has an appointment, I wouldn't have a problem with a cop ringing me
> and confirming it.
>
>
>>The amount of
>>people we stop who simply say that they're looking for an inspection station
>>that's open is beyond a joke. Remember, it's the nearest *convenient* place
>>of repair and not the nearest anymore.
>
>
> Reminds me of a story told by a local cop. He pulled someone up and they
> claimed that they were on the way to the wreckers "to see if they had a
> blinker lens to replace the one that is broken". He booked them. His
> comment to me was that if they had said that they were on the way to the
> wreckers "because they have the lens and they're going to fit it", he would
> have let them off.
>
> Definately needs "for which they have an appointment" or similar added to the
> regulation, except that one purpose is weighbridge and I imagine that the
> weighbridge types would object to being required to take and record bookings.
>
> On a positive note, I'm doing my bit to reduce the movements of unregistered
> vehicles in the Newcastle area - I've ordered a noise meter so they won't
> have to go to an exhaust place separately for the test. As a bonus, the
> test will be done correctly and the forms will be filled out correctly FFS!
>
> If it was practical, I'd probably also do blue slips. That would cut the
> movements a lot more, since every unregistered vehicle I certify goes for a
> blue slip pretty much straight after the certificate, and they go to places
> all over the region. Then I just need to have a loaner courtesy car for
> them to drive to the local RTA (about 4km round trip) and they could drive
> home registered. :-)
>
> Hmm. I wonder if the weighbridge function of a "platetronic" brake tester
> would be acceptable to the RTA...
>
Next thing we know you'll be opening a pharmacy.
:-)

--

Take Care
Feral

[Noddy]

"Gonz" <abuse@abuse.com> wrote in message
news:d9ia2l$2opt$1@otis.netspace.net.au...

> Got a reminder in the post this week to pay some fines, one was for
> driving unregistered motor vehicle, the other a speeding fine for the same
> day, same time, I were under the impression that if you were moving the
> vehicle to a place to get work done for a roady, this was fine, as long as
> that was all you were doing.

No, you need a permit to drive an unregistered vehicle anywhere.

> I were also under the impression from here that in the case of there being
> 2 fines, they would only fine you the highest.

Only in Tobyland :)

Everywhere else you get pinched for the amount of money you rack up. Just be
thankful you weren't snapped speeding while having your arm out the window
flicking a cigarette but, or that'd be two more as well.

> Is there anyway I can get of the unregistered vehicle fine, I have since
> got the roady and all is well

Not unless you have a very smart lawyer who owes you a favour.

> And, whats with VIC ROADS, do they ever send out the first notices?

Only for registration renewals. Everything else is a "final notice".

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[The Raven]

"Gonz" <abuse@abuse.com> wrote in message
news:d9ia2l$2opt$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> Got a letter from Vicroads to say that the car rego was suspended due to
> me not getting a roady after I bought it, I never received a warning or
> nothing, anyway, I thought, better get work done and get the roady, I had
> to get some rust cut out of the roof, so I drove it to the next town to
> get it done.

You are required to provide a RWC when transferring ownership of the
vehicle. Everyone in Vic knows that.

You're not entitled to a warning, transferring the ownership would have
involved someone saying "Where's the RWC?"

Thirdly, learn to use full stops. Numerous commas don't substitute for full
stops.

> Got a reminder in the post this week to pay some fines, one was for
> driving unregistered motor vehicle, the other a speeding fine for the same
> day, same time, I were under the impression that if you were moving the
> vehicle to a place to get work done for a roady, this was fine, as long as
> that was all you were doing.

The speeding ticket has nothing to do with RWC, you simply screwed up.

Un-roadworthy vehicles generally require a permit to be driven for repair,
particularly once the registration is suspended. You can also purchase a
28day permit specifically for this.

Admittedly, most people take the risk of getting caught when going for a RWC
on an unregistered vehicle. The fact you sped made it stupid.

> I were also under the impression from here that in the case of there being
> 2 fines, they would only fine you the highest.

What planet are you from? Two different offence, two different fines.

> Is there anyway I can get of the unregistered vehicle fine, I have since
> got the roady and all is well

Unlikely, and it would cost you more than simply paying it.

> And, whats with VIC ROADS, do they ever send out the first notices?

They don't send first notices and you would have been asked about a RWC when
transferring ownership. In fact, technically it's the seller who has to
provide it (for a registered vehicle).

--
The Raven
http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3
** Now I will bring chaos to the world!

[D Walford]

Gonz wrote:
>
> Got a letter from Vicroads to say that the car rego was suspended due to me
> not getting a roady after I bought it, I never received a warning or
> nothing, anyway, I thought, better get work done and get the roady, I had to
> get some rust cut out of the roof, so I drove it to the next town to get it
> done.
>
> Got a reminder in the post this week to pay some fines, one was for driving
> unregistered motor vehicle, the other a speeding fine for the same day, same
> time, I were under the impression that if you were moving the vehicle to a
> place to get work done for a roady, this was fine, as long as that was all
> you were doing.

You need an unregistered vehicle permit or a Vic Roads appointment
receipt otherwise you not allowed to drive the car anywhere.
>
> I were also under the impression from here that in the case of there being 2
> fines, they would only fine you the highest.

Two seperate offences so two fines.
>
> Is there anyway I can get of the unregistered vehicle fine, I have since got
> the roady and all is well

No hope.
>
> And, whats with VIC ROADS, do they ever send out the first notices?

No.



Daryl

[D Walford]

Shane wrote:
>
>
> They could clear a lot of confusion up if they simply made it compulsory for
> the owners of unregistered vehicles to firstly book their respective
> vehicles in for an inspection or work and be bale to prove it. The amount of
> people we stop who simply say that they're looking for an inspection station
> that's open is beyond a joke. Remember, it's the nearest *convenient* place
> of repair and not the nearest anymore.

Thats why I agree with the Vic system, too many dishonest idiots have
screwed it up for the genuine people.
To register a car you need to make an appointment and pay a fee, the
receipt for the fee which is refunded as part of the overall rego fee
allows you to drive the car to a Vic Roads office.



Daryl

[athol]

feral <plonked@home.ru> wrote:
> athol wrote:

>> On a positive note, I'm doing my bit to reduce the movements of unregistered
>> vehicles in the Newcastle area - I've ordered a noise meter so they won't
>> have to go to an exhaust place separately for the test. As a bonus, the
>> test will be done correctly and the forms will be filled out correctly FFS!

>> If it was practical, I'd probably also do blue slips. That would cut the
>> movements a lot more, since every unregistered vehicle I certify goes for a
>> blue slip pretty much straight after the certificate, and they go to places
>> all over the region. Then I just need to have a loaner courtesy car for
>> them to drive to the local RTA (about 4km round trip) and they could drive
>> home registered. :-)

>> Hmm. I wonder if the weighbridge function of a "platetronic" brake tester
>> would be acceptable to the RTA...

> Next thing we know you'll be opening a pharmacy.
> :-)

For headache pills when vehicles fail, or for when they get the bill? :-p

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[feral]

athol wrote:
>
> For headache pills when vehicles fail, or for when they get the bill? :-p
>
You still bill if they fail, don't you?

BOTH. ;-)

--

Take Care
Feral

[Vincent]

"Lily Lubis, attorney at law" <legal@eagle.com> wrote in message
news:v5hpb1tehmu3hagd0jqb1mmfvav0mr82se@4ax.com...
> the onus is on you to get it roadworthied and registered.
>
> vicroads give you 14 days grace or something, after then they suspend
> the rego.
>
> >Got a letter from Vicroads to say that the car rego was suspended due to
me
> > not getting a roady after I bought it, I never received a warning
>
> i'd say that was the warning!
>
> --
>
> Lily Lubis (Ms)
> Attorney at Law
> 5/37 Paknabiel Way
> Denpasar, Indonesia.
>
> Defamation cases our speciality!

You may profess to be an Attorney at Law Lily Lubis, but you know fuck all
about Vic Road Rules
Vic Roads give you nothing in the way of grace.
If you haven't got a roadworthy certificate at the time of purchase, the
registration is suspended and /or cancelled
You must have a roadworthy Certificate BEFORE you take the car from the
seller
Alternatively, you get the car yard, (if you bought it from one) to drive it
to your place where they will take the plates off until you can produce a
roadworthy certificate
Alternatively again, they ( the car yard) will sell you a temporary permit
which allows you to drive it to a roadworthy inspection place only, you
can't use it for shopping trips.