LG DLP RPTV RAINBOW EFFECT

[rabbann]

I just bought an LG 52" DLP RPTV and HDD/DVD recorder from Clive
Anthony for $2580 plus another $100 off with the cash back offer.

Great looking TV but it suffers from Rainbow effect. I get the effect
nearly all the time. The store replaced the set ASAP, with an
identical model. This one has a lot less rainbow effect, but it is not
totally gone. Evident on Sky captain, Planet of the Apes, Raiders of
the Lost Ark.
Running Progressive scan, component cables, also tried DVD on xbox and
Pioneer 344 both on S-VHS connections, no difference to rainbow.

I have extensively tested this model at Harvey Norman, JB HiFi and
Clive Anthony with several DVD's that NEVER EVER showed a bit of
rainbow, get it home and bang, plenty of rainbow.
I researched this model (52SZ8R-TB) a bit, there are no in depth
reviews out there for it, I have used DVD essentials to calibrate
colours/ contrast, they are excellent, geometry is also excellent. Both
sets I have received have virtually identical geometry and colour
characteristics.

It appears that this effect varies greatly from set to set let alone
brands. Every one who has seen the TV at home has observed the rainbow
(5 people plus me).

Is there any service adjustment to minimise the rainbow effect ?
Is there anything I can do to minimise the rainbow, eg. lighting ?

This is a great TV at a very good price, I think I could live with it
for the $$. Plasma and LCD are not for me, as I play xbox etc and do
not want to be worried about burn in or dead pixels, pixel fill rate.

[Gordon]

"rabbann" <rabbann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120574576.473093.49970@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I just bought an LG 52" DLP RPTV and HDD/DVD recorder from Clive
> Anthony for $2580 plus another $100 off with the cash back offer.
>
> Great looking TV but it suffers from Rainbow effect. I get the effect
> nearly all the time. The store replaced the set ASAP, with an
> identical model. This one has a lot less rainbow effect, but it is not
> totally gone. Evident on Sky captain, Planet of the Apes, Raiders of
> the Lost Ark.
> Running Progressive scan, component cables, also tried DVD on xbox and
> Pioneer 344 both on S-VHS connections, no difference to rainbow.
>
> I have extensively tested this model at Harvey Norman, JB HiFi and
> Clive Anthony with several DVD's that NEVER EVER showed a bit of
> rainbow, get it home and bang, plenty of rainbow.
> I researched this model (52SZ8R-TB) a bit, there are no in depth
> reviews out there for it, I have used DVD essentials to calibrate
> colours/ contrast, they are excellent, geometry is also excellent. Both
> sets I have received have virtually identical geometry and colour
> characteristics.
>
> It appears that this effect varies greatly from set to set let alone
> brands. Every one who has seen the TV at home has observed the rainbow
> (5 people plus me).
>
> Is there any service adjustment to minimise the rainbow effect ?
> Is there anything I can do to minimise the rainbow, eg. lighting ?
>
> This is a great TV at a very good price, I think I could live with it
> for the $$. Plasma and LCD are not for me, as I play xbox etc and do
> not want to be worried about burn in or dead pixels, pixel fill rate.
I realise the following may not be of great help but I just wanted to share
my experiences with LG product.I had 5 ws 66cm ctv's and 2 100cm crt
rearpros' all were faulty to a greater or lesser degree and eventually I got
full credit on the Rear pro when it failed for the second time in less than
a week after about 4 months of unpredictable quality and reliability.The LG
stuff looks great until it is turned on, then the problems begin.If you can
exchange the set for even something like Samsung then you will probably
have a more trouble free coexistence with your new telly.Sorry to be the
bearer of bad news but my experiences with LG are not isolated ones ,as a
search of local ng's or forums will show.I don't believe that LG tellys are
for those with an eye for quality ,they appear to have too many basic
performance issues for anything more than casual 'background' veiwing.
Gordon

[Evil Brian]

Sorry to have to tell you this but the rainbow effect is a well-known
by-product of the DLP technology, and there is no way you'll get a DLP set
that doesn't have it to some degree....and yes, I have one of them too.


"Gordon" <gor2005@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "rabbann" <rabbann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1120574576.473093.49970@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>I just bought an LG 52" DLP RPTV and HDD/DVD recorder from Clive
>> Anthony for $2580 plus another $100 off with the cash back offer.
>>
>> Great looking TV but it suffers from Rainbow effect. I get the effect
>> nearly all the time. The store replaced the set ASAP, with an
>> identical model. This one has a lot less rainbow effect, but it is not
>> totally gone. Evident on Sky captain, Planet of the Apes, Raiders of
>> the Lost Ark.
>> Running Progressive scan, component cables, also tried DVD on xbox and
>> Pioneer 344 both on S-VHS connections, no difference to rainbow.
>>
>> I have extensively tested this model at Harvey Norman, JB HiFi and
>> Clive Anthony with several DVD's that NEVER EVER showed a bit of
>> rainbow, get it home and bang, plenty of rainbow.
>> I researched this model (52SZ8R-TB) a bit, there are no in depth
>> reviews out there for it, I have used DVD essentials to calibrate
>> colours/ contrast, they are excellent, geometry is also excellent. Both
>> sets I have received have virtually identical geometry and colour
>> characteristics.
>>
>> It appears that this effect varies greatly from set to set let alone
>> brands. Every one who has seen the TV at home has observed the rainbow
>> (5 people plus me).
>>
>> Is there any service adjustment to minimise the rainbow effect ?
>> Is there anything I can do to minimise the rainbow, eg. lighting ?
>>
>> This is a great TV at a very good price, I think I could live with it
>> for the $$. Plasma and LCD are not for me, as I play xbox etc and do
>> not want to be worried about burn in or dead pixels, pixel fill rate.
> I realise the following may not be of great help but I just wanted to
> share my experiences with LG product.I had 5 ws 66cm ctv's and 2 100cm
> crt rearpros' all were faulty to a greater or lesser degree and eventually
> I got full credit on the Rear pro when it failed for the second time in
> less than a week after about 4 months of unpredictable quality and
> reliability.The LG stuff looks great until it is turned on, then the
> problems begin.If you can exchange the set for even something like Samsung
> then you will probably have a more trouble free coexistence with your new
> telly.Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but my experiences with LG are
> not isolated ones ,as a search of local ng's or forums will show.I don't
> believe that LG tellys are for those with an eye for quality ,they appear
> to have too many basic performance issues for anything more than casual
> 'background' veiwing.
> Gordon
>

[Trevor Lees]

People say after a couple of months your brain adjusts (presumeably for
good..!)and you can no longer see the rainbow effect cheers Trevor Lees
"rabbann" <rabbann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120574576.473093.49970@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I just bought an LG 52" DLP RPTV and HDD/DVD recorder from Clive
> Anthony for $2580 plus another $100 off with the cash back offer.
>
> Great looking TV but it suffers from Rainbow effect. I get the effect
> nearly all the time. The store replaced the set ASAP, with an
> identical model. This one has a lot less rainbow effect, but it is not
> totally gone. Evident on Sky captain, Planet of the Apes, Raiders of
> the Lost Ark.
> Running Progressive scan, component cables, also tried DVD on xbox and
> Pioneer 344 both on S-VHS connections, no difference to rainbow.
>
> I have extensively tested this model at Harvey Norman, JB HiFi and
> Clive Anthony with several DVD's that NEVER EVER showed a bit of
> rainbow, get it home and bang, plenty of rainbow.
> I researched this model (52SZ8R-TB) a bit, there are no in depth
> reviews out there for it, I have used DVD essentials to calibrate
> colours/ contrast, they are excellent, geometry is also excellent. Both
> sets I have received have virtually identical geometry and colour
> characteristics.
>
> It appears that this effect varies greatly from set to set let alone
> brands. Every one who has seen the TV at home has observed the rainbow
> (5 people plus me).
>
> Is there any service adjustment to minimise the rainbow effect ?
> Is there anything I can do to minimise the rainbow, eg. lighting ?
>
> This is a great TV at a very good price, I think I could live with it
> for the $$. Plasma and LCD are not for me, as I play xbox etc and do
> not want to be worried about burn in or dead pixels, pixel fill rate.
>

[rabbann]

Guys,
Thanks for your input, I was well aware of the rainbow effect, just
that all the LG sets I looked at did not display it, and ontop of that
the replacement model shows it less than the original one I received.
I spoke with Clive Anthony management, they are looking at what can be
done. Just suprises me that there can be that much variation between
the same model.
I would never have touched one of these if the models I looked at even
hinted at rainbowing. (I even brought along my test discs which reveal
it on my DLP set).

Either way, I don't think there is a set that I could get in price/size
point.

[rabbann]

Hi Evil,
Does it get any better with your eyes getting used to it and have you
found any ways of lighting the room, viewing angles, colour settings so
that it can be reduced ?

[rabbann]

I just checked out my friends LG DLP, played the exact same movies on
his TV using the same model DVD player. His DOES NOT DISPLAY RAINBOW
EFFECT.
Looks like I got another dud model.

[Gordon]

"rabbann" <rabbann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120634826.145670.231940@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Guys,
> Thanks for your input, I was well aware of the rainbow effect, just
> that all the LG sets I looked at did not display it, and ontop of that
> the replacement model shows it less than the original one I received.
> I spoke with Clive Anthony management, they are looking at what can be
> done. Just suprises me that there can be that much variation between
> the same model.
> I would never have touched one of these if the models I looked at even
> hinted at rainbowing. (I even brought along my test discs which reveal
> it on my DLP set).
>
> Either way, I don't think there is a set that I could get in price/size
> point.
As I have said many times b4 the quality of LG product is hypervariable.They
may be relatively inexpensive but it is one of the most troublesome brands I
have ever had the misfortune to own.
Get rid of it b4 they won't do an exchange.
Gordon

[Evil Brian]

Hi Rabban,

A combined answer to your posts on this subject. I haven't been able to find
any combination of room lighting or viewing angles that fixes the problem,
but the problem is exacerbated when the picture quality is low.

For instance, it's much worse when the pic source is Foxtel Sat Digital, esp
if the program originated in NTSC, rather than PAL, than it is with FTA
digital or DVD. In additon, Ch 10 digi is worse than Ch 9 digi.

I've got the LG DT-62SZ71DB model, which is a 62" behemoth I was given for
free by LG after the LG 60" LCD Rear Pro model I had for just over a year,
died of the 'blue death'. I would rather have been given their 52" LCD model
as a replacment, but they didn't give me a choice. The DLP's big plus is
that it has a HD decoder installed in it, and does PIP too.

Previous posters on this matter are 100% spot on when they query the quality
of LG products - their quality control at the factory is abysmal, judging by
the number of equipment failures they have. To LG's credit though, they
replaced my 60" widescreen for free, even though the warranty had run out 3
months earlier. My LG service guy tells me that LG are fearful of 'A
Current Affair' or 'Today Tonight' doing an expose` on just how bad the
situation is with their products, which would undoubtedly cause a big drop
in their market share.


"rabbann" <rabbann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120656945.159517.276050@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I just checked out my friends LG DLP, played the exact same movies on
> his TV using the same model DVD player. His DOES NOT DISPLAY RAINBOW
> EFFECT.
> Looks like I got another dud model.
>

[Gordon]

"rabbann" <rabbann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120656945.159517.276050@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I just checked out my friends LG DLP, played the exact same movies on
> his TV using the same model DVD player. His DOES NOT DISPLAY RAINBOW
> EFFECT.
> Looks like I got another dud model
Yes and no , pretty much the status quo for LG qc.
Gordon
>

[Gordon]

"Evil Brian" <omoto2001@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hi Rabban,
>
> A combined answer to your posts on this subject. I haven't been able to
> find any combination of room lighting or viewing angles that fixes the
> problem, but the problem is exacerbated when the picture quality is low.
>
> For instance, it's much worse when the pic source is Foxtel Sat Digital,
> esp if the program originated in NTSC, rather than PAL, than it is with
> FTA digital or DVD. In additon, Ch 10 digi is worse than Ch 9 digi.
>
> I've got the LG DT-62SZ71DB model, which is a 62" behemoth I was given for
> free by LG after the LG 60" LCD Rear Pro model I had for just over a year,
> died of the 'blue death'. I would rather have been given their 52" LCD
> model as a replacment, but they didn't give me a choice. The DLP's big
> plus is that it has a HD decoder installed in it, and does PIP too.
>
> Previous posters on this matter are 100% spot on when they query the
> quality of LG products - their quality control at the factory is abysmal,
> judging by the number of equipment failures they have. To LG's credit
> though, they replaced my 60" widescreen for free, even though the warranty
> had run out 3 months earlier. My LG service guy tells me that LG are
> fearful of 'A Current Affair' or 'Today Tonight' doing an expose` on just
> how bad the situation is with their products, which would undoubtedly
> cause a big drop in their market share.
>
>
>
Well said EB , had a similar experience with LG service , very pleasant and
trying to do their best to deal with a shonky product.I was lucky enough to
get a full refund.
Gordon

[JandB]

Previous posters on this matter are 100% spot on when they query the quality
of LG products - their quality control at the factory is abysmal, judging by
the number of equipment failures they have. To LG's credit though, they
replaced my 60" widescreen for free, even though the warranty had run out 3
months earlier. My LG service guy tells me that LG are fearful of 'A
Current Affair' or 'Today Tonight' doing an expose` on just how bad the
situation is with their products, which would undoubtedly cause a big drop
in their market share.
Makes you wonder if LG actually make any money out of RPTV's - the apparently high* return rate must really hurt their margins.

(* based on anecdotal evidence presented in these forums only!)

[Gordon]

"JandB" <JandB.1rtmd2@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Evil Brian Wrote:
>>
>> Previous posters on this matter are 100% spot on when they query the
>> quality
>> of LG products - their quality control at the factory is abysmal,
>> judging by
>> the number of equipment failures they have. To LG's credit though,
>> they
>> replaced my 60" widescreen for free, even though the warranty had run
>> out 3
>> months earlier. My LG service guy tells me that LG are fearful of 'A
>> Current Affair' or 'Today Tonight' doing an expose` on just how bad
>> the
>> situation is with their products, which would undoubtedly cause a big
>> drop
>> in their market share.
> Makes you wonder if LG actually make any money out of RPTV's - the
> apparently high* return rate must really hurt their margins.
>
> (* based on anecdotal evidence presented in these forums only!)
>
>
> --
> JandB
We have been down the road of anecdotal evidence vs the 'glowing' reviews in
a recent "Choice" supertest.You pays your money etc but complaints re LG
ctv's far outstrip competitors products products on this and other forums
,one should at least be a bit wary when purchasing LG product and make sure
the retailer is going to replace or change the product should you run into
problems.
Choice magazine seems to do a good job with fridges ,washing machines and
the like but I find their standard of acceptable performance to low for the
perhaps more quality aware customers that visit these forums.If you want to
disregard all the negative comment on here ,then it's your money but as an
ex-retailer I would not recommend LG to any of my friends.
Gordon

[PhiI AIIison]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:37:48 +0800, "Gordon" <gor2005@aapt.net.au>
wrote:

>
>"JandB" <JandB.1rtmd2@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:JandB.1rtmd2@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au...
>>
>> Evil Brian Wrote:
>>>
>>> Previous posters on this matter are 100% spot on when they query the
>>> quality
>>> of LG products - their quality control at the factory is abysmal,
>>> judging by
>>> the number of equipment failures they have. To LG's credit though,
>>> they
>>> replaced my 60" widescreen for free, even though the warranty had run
>>> out 3
>>> months earlier. My LG service guy tells me that LG are fearful of 'A
>>> Current Affair' or 'Today Tonight' doing an expose` on just how bad
>>> the
>>> situation is with their products, which would undoubtedly cause a big
>>> drop
>>> in their market share.
>> Makes you wonder if LG actually make any money out of RPTV's - the
>> apparently high* return rate must really hurt their margins.
>>
>> (* based on anecdotal evidence presented in these forums only!)
>>
>>
>> --
>> JandB
>We have been down the road of anecdotal evidence vs the 'glowing' reviews in
>a recent "Choice" supertest.You pays your money etc but complaints re LG
>ctv's far outstrip competitors products products on this and other forums
>,one should at least be a bit wary when purchasing LG product and make sure
>the retailer is going to replace or change the product should you run into
>problems.
>Choice magazine seems to do a good job with fridges ,washing machines and
>the like but I find their standard of acceptable performance to low for the
>perhaps more quality aware customers that visit these forums.If you want to
>disregard all the negative comment on here ,then it's your money but as an
>ex-retailer I would not recommend LG to any of my friends.
>Gordon
>


LG was once known as "Lucky Goldstar"...same company..
Does that ring horror bells to anyone old enough to remember?
A reputation far below that of Teac's cheapest range.

Had to change it's name ..the old one had no goodwill.

Now it's "Life's Good...until you get one"

[Evil Brian]

LG will certainly be feeling the pinch with the Rear Pro LCD debacle,
although I do feel a little sorry for them. Apparantly the optics that
powered the LCD image were developed by a third-party manufacturer and there
was no hint of the dramas to come when the sets were first manufactured.

Once the 'blue death' started to appear, the optics manufacturer went bust
because they couldn't fund replacements, and LG were left carrying the can,
and unable to repair their sets. Ignoring the final disastrous outcome with
those LCD models, the pictures they produced, to my mind, are still the
benchmark for quality rear pro TV images. It stood out like a beacon when I
first saw it in a Harvey Norman store early last year, and was able to
compare it with about 15 other models simultaneously, and I still haven't
seen anything better 18 months later. If the blue death can be eliminated in
the future, I'd happily go back to Rear Pro LCD over DLP any day......but I
probably wouldn't trust an LG one.

Does anyone on here have the Loewe or Sony Rear Pro LCD 55"/60" models, and
how have they fared?

"JandB" <JandB.1rtmd2@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
news:JandB.1rtmd2@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au...
>
> Evil Brian Wrote:
>>
>> Previous posters on this matter are 100% spot on when they query the
>> quality
>> of LG products - their quality control at the factory is abysmal,
>> judging by
>> the number of equipment failures they have. To LG's credit though,
>> they
>> replaced my 60" widescreen for free, even though the warranty had run
>> out 3
>> months earlier. My LG service guy tells me that LG are fearful of 'A
>> Current Affair' or 'Today Tonight' doing an expose` on just how bad
>> the
>> situation is with their products, which would undoubtedly cause a big
>> drop
>> in their market share.
> Makes you wonder if LG actually make any money out of RPTV's - the
> apparently high* return rate must really hurt their margins.
>
> (* based on anecdotal evidence presented in these forums only!)
>
>
> --
> JandB

[Fred At Home]

"rabbann" <rabbann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120574576.473093.49970@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I just bought an LG 52" DLP RPTV and HDD/DVD recorder from Clive
> Anthony for $2580 plus another $100 off with the cash back offer.
>
> Great looking TV but it suffers from Rainbow effect. I get the effect
> nearly all the time. The store replaced the set ASAP, with an
> identical model. This one has a lot less rainbow effect, but it is not
> totally gone. Evident on Sky captain, Planet of the Apes, Raiders of
> the Lost Ark.
> Running Progressive scan, component cables, also tried DVD on xbox and
> Pioneer 344 both on S-VHS connections, no difference to rainbow.
>
> I have extensively tested this model at Harvey Norman, JB HiFi and
> Clive Anthony with several DVD's that NEVER EVER showed a bit of
> rainbow, get it home and bang, plenty of rainbow.
> I researched this model (52SZ8R-TB) a bit, there are no in depth
> reviews out there for it, I have used DVD essentials to calibrate
> colours/ contrast, they are excellent, geometry is also excellent. Both
> sets I have received have virtually identical geometry and colour
> characteristics.
>
> It appears that this effect varies greatly from set to set let alone
> brands. Every one who has seen the TV at home has observed the rainbow
> (5 people plus me).
>
> Is there any service adjustment to minimise the rainbow effect ?
> Is there anything I can do to minimise the rainbow, eg. lighting ?
>
> This is a great TV at a very good price, I think I could live with it
> for the $$. Plasma and LCD are not for me, as I play xbox etc and do
> not want to be worried about burn in or dead pixels, pixel fill rate.
>

I bought one of these RPTVs a few days ago and the only time I really
noticed the "rainbow effect" was when playing the THX optimizer off a DVD.
The part where it displays a white circle on a black background produced a
very noticeable rainbow when moving my eyes quickly across the screen. It is
also apparent if I'm not looking directly at the screen, but it hasn't
bothered me because I usually watch it straight-on. I've watched about three
hours of Foxtel and three movies in the last few days and can safely say
that it isn't an issue for me. I had five relatives visit this afternoon and
they all watched it for a while and no-one mentioned it.
I think it's more a personal thing than anything else. Some people (like me)
seem very tolerant of the rainbowing but others find it bothersome. It's
early days yet but I'm really happy with the DLP RPTV. I'm looking forward
to hooking up one of my computers to it and try some wide-screen gaming,

[rabbann]

Fred,
You must have got a good one. I have had three, and each one was a bit
better than the last. If you watch Sky Captain, the rainbow is really
bad, as it is in certain parts of Star Wars (where Luke and Leah swing
across the big pit in the Death Star---- check out the little vertical
white lights).
I got rid of the TV set as I just could not tollerate the rainbow. I
don't want to turn this thread into a 'lets slag off on LG products'
but I have found the quality very hit and miss on these sets.
Just make sure you purchased an extended warranty.

I think I will wait till true 1080p sets come out later this year, I am
still keen on a DLP as it suits my viewing, usage tastes better than
LCD or Plasma. Remember you cant burn in a DLP and the pixel fill rate
is the best of all the sets. LCD gets dead pixels and also burn in.

I was extremely happy with the image of this LG (apart from the rainbow
effect) I callibrated the set using professional test patters and
colour charts, the blacks are excellent and the colours are also very
good. The set handles brightness and contrast very well also. The
screen had some minor pin cushion distortion when viewed in 4:3 but
nothing that I would consider too much of an issue. The previouis LG
52" model was shocking, the screen sags in it frame causing distortion.

This set uses a HD3 DLP chip, which I believe is the downfall of the
unit, LG should have at least used the HD2+ chip. The Samsung 50"
model uses the HD2+ chip and it looks excellent. I also had difficulty
in spotting rainbow in this set , leading me to think that the Samsung
colour wheel has more segments. Clive Anthony offered this Samsung to
me for $3269 down from $4000.

As I said before, I'll wait till the end of the year and pick up a HD4
1080p chip DLP.


I also soke at length to a service agent who advised that the lamp life
on these LG sets is more like 4000-4500 hours, he also said short
viewing sessions on the set kills the lamp a lot quicker. A lamp costs
about $550 plus installation. I was aware of the lamp costs, but I
thought at least 6000 hrs was about it.

[Raymond Jones]

"rabbann" <rabbann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121604856.424459.68400@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> I also soke at length to a service agent who advised that the lamp life
> on these LG sets is more like 4000-4500 hours, he also said short
> viewing sessions on the set kills the lamp a lot quicker. A lamp costs
> about $550 plus installation. I was aware of the lamp costs, but I
> thought at least 6000 hrs was about it.
>

I got 4600 hours out of my 1st lamp on the original 111cm DLP. Up to 4000 on
the 2nd and noticed on the weekend some flickering in the brightness
although it did stabilize last night. Guess it's on it's way out too. Most
hours I've read about is 6000 although a large percentage of people wouldn't
watch their TV as much and are probably still on their 1st lamp.....

I paid around what you said but I put it in myself to save the $100 service
call.


--

cheers,

Raymond Jones
raybubbear@hotmail.com

[JandB]

Fred,


As I said before, I'll wait till the end of the year and pick up a HD4
1080p chip DLP.

Hi rabbann,
Now you've got me interested. Do you have any more info on the likely arrival of those HD4 sets? Are there any reviews from anywhere yet? When are they due to be released in the US?

[rabbann]

Hi
Samsung has released a 1080p DLP system in the states, they are
reasonably expensive, contrast is up from 2500:1 to 5000:1.
The chip does a native 1080 progressive image, that would mean that
HDTV 9 would be displayed in its full resolution.

I would expect Xmas time here we will begin to see 1080P. I am keen to
see Toshiba & Panasonic release their DLP's over here.

In the States LG's are called Zenith, hence there is stuff all reviews
on LG's anywhere and even the Zenith models are hard to get reviews on.
( I suspect that LG keeps there TV's away from reviewers, based on what
I experienced with mine, they would have been harsh in regards to the
consistency of the quality and image, (for $2300 you pay for what you
get....a BIG SCREEN.)

Presently the best we have is 720p (NATIVE resolution) or downscaled
1080i . There is some loss of image resolution as the TV guts has to
down scale 1080 images to fit onto a 720 screen.

Nearly all of todays so called HD TV's are not really that at all, Even
the most expensive Plasmas and LCD's like the Sony WEGA 3 LCD do around
768 lines of resolution.

This doesn't mean much now but in a short time when HD DVD comes out,
you will want 1080p Native. XBOX 360 will do 1080p, my present NTSC
XBOX with component cables upscales a 480i image to either 720p or
1080i, it looks excellent on 720p. I don't know about you but I want my
TV to last as long as I can, my current 68cm Sony is over 11 years old
and still going strong.

Just google for 'HD4 DLP' also check out xHD3+ (1080p) not to be
confused with the lower quality HD3 chip.

They are not going to make HD4 for projectors at the moment.

They took away my buggered LG RP TV today, now I am back to a 68cm
tube. Man it sucks, but no more rainbows.

I am going to save up and wait for when 1080P arrives in a quality
brand and try to buy one on 4 years interest free.