Comment on Optus website (ugh!)

[Ext User(BlueTongue)]

Using the newest Firefox browser, I find that the Optus website
(www.optus.com.au) is broken on many pages. I get pages with missing
graphics (refreshing the page does not help), I get "wizards" that ask
you if you want a business or personal plan, but send you to a business
plan page even if you chose personal, etc.

The site seems to be totally neglected and not engineered for any
browser other than M$ IE.

On these scores alone, Optus will never get my business.

[Ext User(Lance Lyon)]

"BlueTongue" <bluetongue@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6UdEe.16436$HV1.9045@fed1read07...
> Using the newest Firefox browser, I find that the Optus website
> (www.optus.com.au) is broken on many pages. I get pages with missing
> graphics (refreshing the page does not help), I get "wizards" that ask you
> if you want a business or personal plan, but send you to a business plan
> page even if you chose personal, etc.
>
> The site seems to be totally neglected and not engineered for any browser
> other than M$ IE.
>
> On these scores alone, Optus will never get my business.

Works fine from my end with Firefox 1.0.5

cheers,

Lance


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[Ext User(BlueTongue)]

Lance Lyon wrote:
> Works fine from my end with Firefox 1.0.5

You're not checking the site thoroughly enough, just like the people who
work for Optus.

"Near enough is good enough, mate!"

[Ext User(Artoi)]

I agree, there are many blank or missing pages. I get the impression
that they are updating their site one bit at a time.

In article <6UdEe.16436$HV1.9045@fed1read07>, BlueTongue
<bluetongue@cox.net> wrote:

> Using the newest Firefox browser, I find that the Optus website
> (www.optus.com.au) is broken on many pages. I get pages with missing
> graphics (refreshing the page does not help), I get "wizards" that ask
> you if you want a business or personal plan, but send you to a business
> plan page even if you chose personal, etc.
>
> The site seems to be totally neglected and not engineered for any
> browser other than M$ IE.
>
> On these scores alone, Optus will never get my business.

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[Ext User(Lance Lyon)]

"BlueTongue" <bluetongue@cox.net> wrote in message
news:JOgEe.17144$HV1.2457@fed1read07...
> Lance Lyon wrote:
>> Works fine from my end with Firefox 1.0.5
>
> You're not checking the site thoroughly enough, just like the people who
> work for Optus.
>

Sure, sure, I have 82 pages from the site in my cache, just how thorough
would you like me to be ? Again, all displays quite well & quickly. Which
URL's are not displaying correctly for you ?

cheers,

Lance


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[Ext User(David Segall)]

BlueTongue <bluetongue@cox.net> wrote:

>Using the newest Firefox browser, I find that the Optus website
>(www.optus.com.au) is broken on many pages. I get pages with missing
>graphics (refreshing the page does not help), I get "wizards" that ask
>you if you want a business or personal plan, but send you to a business
>plan page even if you chose personal, etc.
>
>The site seems to be totally neglected and not engineered for any
>browser other than M$ IE.
>
>On these scores alone, Optus will never get my business.
I don't disagree with your decision but there are many other sites
that have the same problem that you may need to use. Fortunately,
Firefox has the answer -
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=35. It's an
addin that allows you to right click to view a page in IE. I use it
quite often but usually a page that fails in Firefox is also wrong in
IE.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

BlueTongue <bluetongue@cox.net> wrote

> Using the newest Firefox browser, I find that the Optus website
> (www.optus.com.au) is broken on many pages. I get pages with missing graphics
> (refreshing the page does not help), I get "wizards" that ask you if you want
> a business or personal plan, but send you to a business plan page even if you
> chose personal, etc.

> The site seems to be totally neglected and not engineered for any browser
> other than M$ IE.

> On these scores alone, Optus will never get my business.

Bet that will have the Optarse suits pouring from their
windows like lemmings as soon as they read your post.

[Ext User(John Phillips)]

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, at 07:27:43 [GMT +1000] (07:27:43 Sunday, 24 July 2005
where I live) "Rod Speed" wrote:

> Bet that will have the Optarse suits pouring from their
> windows like lemmings as soon as they read your post.

The streets of North Sydney are already splattered with bodies.

Initially it was blamed on Muslim terrorists, but following the good
Sheik's complaint that Muslims are unfairly picked on, the police revised
their tune and blamed Telstra for unfair competition.

"Muslims everywhere using a mobile phone are no longer safe", whined the
Sheik.

"To assimilate young Muslims in Australian society they must have better
pay as you call plans, with direct access to gang rape sms messages", the
Sheik added.

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[Ext User(DJ!)]

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:11:01 -0700, BlueTongue <bluetongue@cox.net>
wrote:

>"Near enough is good enough, mate!"

Same goes for Firefox's market share of the browser realm.

If/when it ever cracks 10% commercial sites *might* start thinking
about catering for the more basic markup needs of Firefox users.

Now get back to your crystal radio set.

DJ!

[Ext User(DJ!)]

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:27:43 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Bet that will have the Optarse suits pouring from their
>windows like lemmings as soon as they read your post.

ROTFLMAO!

Ed-zackery.

DJ!

[Ext User(BlueTongue)]

DJ! wrote:

> If/when it ever cracks 10% commercial sites *might* start thinking
> about catering for the more basic markup needs of Firefox users.

You have it arse-about-face. M$ Internet Explorer is the primitive code
set in this realm. I think you should take it from me on this issue,
since I work with IE's shortcomings every day as a web designer. You can
learn more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Internet_Explorer

[Ext User(Scott Howard)]

In aus.comms DJ! <derek@ausmicro.com> wrote:
>>"Near enough is good enough, mate!"
>
> Same goes for Firefox's market share of the browser realm.
>
> If/when it ever cracks 10% commercial sites *might* start thinking

10%? So that'll be about, what, next month?

Firefox was at about 8.71% of the browser market in June, and it's growing
by 0.5 to 1% per month.

For IT/Technology/telco/etc sites the numbers are higher, so there's
probably a good chance that Optus is already over 10%.

Scott

[Ext User(DJ!)]

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:49:17 -0700, BlueTongue <bluetongue@cox.net>
wrote:


>You have it arse-about-face. M$ Internet Explorer is the primitive code
>set in this realm. I think you should take it from me on this issue,
>since I work with IE's shortcomings every day as a web designer.

Whatever.

If you're going to market a dinky web browser, make it work with the
majority of web pages. IE does this very well.

DJ!

[Ext User(DJ!)]

On 24 Jul 2005 01:31:07 GMT, Scott Howard <scott@hunterlink.net.au>
wrote:

>10%? So that'll be about, what, next month?

Read what I said..... when it hits 10% THEN commercial sites *might*
start coding for other browsers. But then, they might wait till it
hits 20% or 30%.....

>Firefox was at about 8.71% of the browser market in June, and it's growing
>by 0.5 to 1% per month.

<cue the open source cheergirls>


>For IT/Technology/telco/etc sites the numbers are higher, so there's
>probably a good chance that Optus is already over 10%.

<feigned excitement>WOW!</feigned excitement>

And *at least* 80% of web users still use mainstream browsers (and
generally on the Windows platform).

DJ!

[Ext User(BlueTongue)]

DJ! wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:49:17 -0700, BlueTongue <bluetongue@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> You have it arse-about-face. M$ Internet Explorer is the primitive
>> code set in this realm. I think you should take it from me on this
>> issue, since I work with IE's shortcomings every day as a web
>> designer.
>
>
> Whatever.
>
> If you're going to market a dinky web browser, make it work with the
> majority of web pages. IE does this very well.
>
> DJ!


Idiot.

[Ext User(A User)]

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:51:59 -0700, BlueTongue <bluetongue@cox.net>
wrote:

>Using the newest Firefox browser, I find that the Optus website
>(www.optus.com.au) is broken on many pages. I get pages with missing
>graphics (refreshing the page does not help), I get "wizards" that ask
>you if you want a business or personal plan, but send you to a business
>plan page even if you chose personal, etc.
>
>The site seems to be totally neglected and not engineered for any
>browser other than M$ IE.
>
>On these scores alone, Optus will never get my business.


How can you tell, I think it's a crap website even with IE IMHO.

[Ext User(will kemp)]

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:53:28 +1000, DJ! wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:49:17 -0700, BlueTongue <bluetongue@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>You have it arse-about-face. M$ Internet Explorer is the primitive code
>>set in this realm. I think you should take it from me on this issue,
>>since I work with IE's shortcomings every day as a web designer.
>
> Whatever.
>
> If you're going to market a dinky web browser, make it work with the
> majority of web pages. IE does this very well.

you've got that arse about face.

ever heard of "standards"? the IE designers haven't!

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote
> DJ! wrote
>> BlueTongue <bluetongue@cox.net> wrote

>>> You have it arse-about-face. M$ Internet Explorer is the primitive
>>> code set in this realm. I think you should take it from me on this
>>> issue, since I work with IE's shortcomings every day as a web
>>> designer.

>> Whatever.

>> If you're going to market a dinky web browser, make it
>> work with the majority of web pages. IE does this very well.

> you've got that arse about face.

> ever heard of "standards"? the IE designers haven't!

They dont need to, they completely dominate the market, stupid.

[Ext User(BlueTongue)]

Rod Speed wrote:
> will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote
>
>>ever heard of "standards"? the IE designers haven't!
>
>
> They dont need to, they completely dominate the market, stupid.

And that's because of the stupid people who keep using that buggy
browser, despite the availability of a much better, standards-compliant,
more secure and more useful browser like Firefox.

[Ext User(will kemp)]

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:49:17 -0700, BlueTongue wrote:

> And that's because of the stupid people who keep using that buggy
> browser, despite the availability of a much better, standards-compliant,
> more secure and more useful browser like Firefox.

anyway, apart from all other considerations, being able to open new pages
in tabs, rather than whole new browser windows, puts firefox, opera, etc,
way ahead of crappy old IE.

will