Re: BlueAnt Bluetooth hands Free

[Ext User(A User)]

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:56:38 +0930, "Rod" <rodlg000ATyahooDOTcom>
wrote:

>
>"John Kearney" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:gl50f1137kue0vvv2fnsnf0098p994nq8c@4ax.com...
>> Anyone have any comments on these units?
>
>Just started using one.
>Have been using a BT headset with excellent results, but hte ohter half
>cannot use one, so went the Blueant route.
>Initial impressions are that is is a poor substitute, but it does work.
>The received audio is very thin sounding. If you turn the received audio up
>too high it feeds back to the other end - this means that the echo
>cancellation (if it has any) is poor. Audio control appears only to consist
>of gating between the send and receive audio, and if not set up optimaly you
>can lose the start of a word.
>The send audio does not have much high frequencies (appears to be cut off
>above 2KHz) which means that you have to strain to hear and understand at
>the other end.
>The unit states that it has DSP (digital signal processing) circuitry. If
>it does, then it appears to be poorly implemented. People at the other end
>of my telephone calls say they can hear excessive car background noise.
>
>I have two of these units.
>I will keep one, but if someone wants one I will sell for $150 - it cost me
>$185. I will reply to a post here.
>
>Rod
>

What you folks need to realise is, you need to adjust the volume
control on the Supertooth in conjunction with the volume control on
the phone. There are situations where having one or the other up too
high can cause issues. The phone does still control the volume, it
thinks the Supertooth is a headset, remember.

If properly adjusted, it's an excellent product.

[Ext User(Newsy)]

"A User" <serge-newnew2715@mailblocks.com > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:56:38 +0930, "Rod" <rodlg000ATyahooDOTcom>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John Kearney" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:gl50f1137kue0vvv2fnsnf0098p994nq8c@4ax.com...
> >> Anyone have any comments on these units?
> >
> >Just started using one.
> >Have been using a BT headset with excellent results, but hte ohter half
> >cannot use one, so went the Blueant route.
> >Initial impressions are that is is a poor substitute, but it does work.
> >The received audio is very thin sounding. If you turn the received audio
up
> >too high it feeds back to the other end - this means that the echo
> >cancellation (if it has any) is poor. Audio control appears only to
consist
> >of gating between the send and receive audio, and if not set up optimaly
you
> >can lose the start of a word.
> >The send audio does not have much high frequencies (appears to be cut off
> >above 2KHz) which means that you have to strain to hear and understand at
> >the other end.
> >The unit states that it has DSP (digital signal processing) circuitry.
If
> >it does, then it appears to be poorly implemented. People at the other
end
> >of my telephone calls say they can hear excessive car background noise.
> >
> >I have two of these units.
> >I will keep one, but if someone wants one I will sell for $150 - it cost
me
> >$185. I will reply to a post here.
> >
> >Rod
> >
>
> What you folks need to realise is, you need to adjust the volume
> control on the Supertooth in conjunction with the volume control on
> the phone. There are situations where having one or the other up too
> high can cause issues. The phone does still control the volume, it
> thinks the Supertooth is a headset, remember.
>
> If properly adjusted, it's an excellent product.

In comparison to what?
In my experience they are very poor compared to my bluetooth headset, and
all the other duplex conferencing systems I set up.
I have tried adjusting the volume on the Supretooth unit to minimise the
possibility of feedback, and to stop the unit from gating my voice too
savagely.
Please explain what I should be doing differently.

Rod

[Ext User(A User)]

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:05:56 +0930, "Newsy" <rlg000@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"A User" <serge-newnew2715@mailblocks.com > wrote in message
>news:r424f11dtnp3uf3rvg914m2rtble1qtpd7@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:56:38 +0930, "Rod" <rodlg000ATyahooDOTcom>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"John Kearney" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:gl50f1137kue0vvv2fnsnf0098p994nq8c@4ax.com...
>> >> Anyone have any comments on these units?
>> >
>> >Just started using one.
>> >Have been using a BT headset with excellent results, but hte ohter half
>> >cannot use one, so went the Blueant route.
>> >Initial impressions are that is is a poor substitute, but it does work.
>> >The received audio is very thin sounding. If you turn the received audio
>up
>> >too high it feeds back to the other end - this means that the echo
>> >cancellation (if it has any) is poor. Audio control appears only to
>consist
>> >of gating between the send and receive audio, and if not set up optimaly
>you
>> >can lose the start of a word.
>> >The send audio does not have much high frequencies (appears to be cut off
>> >above 2KHz) which means that you have to strain to hear and understand at
>> >the other end.
>> >The unit states that it has DSP (digital signal processing) circuitry.
>If
>> >it does, then it appears to be poorly implemented. People at the other
>end
>> >of my telephone calls say they can hear excessive car background noise.
>> >
>> >I have two of these units.
>> >I will keep one, but if someone wants one I will sell for $150 - it cost
>me
>> >$185. I will reply to a post here.
>> >
>> >Rod
>> >
>>
>> What you folks need to realise is, you need to adjust the volume
>> control on the Supertooth in conjunction with the volume control on
>> the phone. There are situations where having one or the other up too
>> high can cause issues. The phone does still control the volume, it
>> thinks the Supertooth is a headset, remember.
>>
>> If properly adjusted, it's an excellent product.
>
>In comparison to what?
>In my experience they are very poor compared to my bluetooth headset, and
>all the other duplex conferencing systems I set up.
>I have tried adjusting the volume on the Supretooth unit to minimise the
>possibility of feedback, and to stop the unit from gating my voice too
>savagely.
>Please explain what I should be doing differently.
>
>Rod
>

1. Bluetooth headset has the advantage of being positioned next to
your mouth. I have NEVER found a BT headset that will stay online all
day without a drop. Supertooth does stay online.

2. What does "duplex conferencing" got to do with car kits? Comparing
a box that costs $2k to $200?

Did you adjust the volume on the handset as well and work both of them
up individually, starting from zero? If you have, ring the importer
and tell them. You may have a faulty unit.

[Ext User(Rod)]

"A User" <serge-newnew2715@mailblocks.com > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:05:56 +0930, "Newsy" <rlg000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"A User" <serge-newnew2715@mailblocks.com > wrote in message
>>news:r424f11dtnp3uf3rvg914m2rtble1qtpd7@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:56:38 +0930, "Rod" <rodlg000ATyahooDOTcom>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"John Kearney" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:gl50f1137kue0vvv2fnsnf0098p994nq8c@4ax.com...
>>> >> Anyone have any comments on these units?
>>> >
>>> >Just started using one.
>>> >Have been using a BT headset with excellent results, but hte ohter half
>>> >cannot use one, so went the Blueant route.
>>> >Initial impressions are that is is a poor substitute, but it does work.
>>> >The received audio is very thin sounding. If you turn the received
>>> >audio
>>up
>>> >too high it feeds back to the other end - this means that the echo
>>> >cancellation (if it has any) is poor. Audio control appears only to
>>consist
>>> >of gating between the send and receive audio, and if not set up
>>> >optimaly
>>you
>>> >can lose the start of a word.
>>> >The send audio does not have much high frequencies (appears to be cut
>>> >off
>>> >above 2KHz) which means that you have to strain to hear and understand
>>> >at
>>> >the other end.
>>> >The unit states that it has DSP (digital signal processing) circuitry.
>>If
>>> >it does, then it appears to be poorly implemented. People at the other
>>end
>>> >of my telephone calls say they can hear excessive car background noise.
>>> >
>>> >I have two of these units.
>>> >I will keep one, but if someone wants one I will sell for $150 - it
>>> >cost
>>me
>>> >$185. I will reply to a post here.
>>> >
>>> >Rod
>>> >
>>>
>>> What you folks need to realise is, you need to adjust the volume
>>> control on the Supertooth in conjunction with the volume control on
>>> the phone. There are situations where having one or the other up too
>>> high can cause issues. The phone does still control the volume, it
>>> thinks the Supertooth is a headset, remember.
>>>
>>> If properly adjusted, it's an excellent product.
>>
>>In comparison to what?
>>In my experience they are very poor compared to my bluetooth headset, and
>>all the other duplex conferencing systems I set up.
>>I have tried adjusting the volume on the Supretooth unit to minimise the
>>possibility of feedback, and to stop the unit from gating my voice too
>>savagely.
>>Please explain what I should be doing differently.
>>
>>Rod
>>
>
> 1. Bluetooth headset has the advantage of being positioned next to
> your mouth. I have NEVER found a BT headset that will stay online all
> day without a drop. Supertooth does stay online.

I was using the headset as a comparison only.

>
> 2. What does "duplex conferencing" got to do with car kits? Comparing
> a box that costs $2k to $200?

Again, duplex conferencing is used as a comparison. Duplex conferencing is
what you are supposed to get out of the Supertooth, albeit one person with a
handset (which would make the job easier).

I found I had to speak loudly to ensure the gating opened the microphone on
the Supertooth. I also found the sound of the far end tinny and lacking
depth. The sound sounds as though it is coming from one of the early cheap
transistor radios. It has intelligibility, but at the expense of acoustic
comfort.

>
> Did you adjust the volume on the handset as well and work both of them
> up individually, starting from zero? If you have, ring the importer
> and tell them. You may have a faulty unit.

Yes, I have adjusted both.
>