Re: Mobile Phones and Driving

[Ext User(Scott Hillard)]

"Mark" <mark@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> If it's hands free, what's the difference in distraction if the other
person
> is on the phone or in the passenger seat?


Spot-on.

Any conversation - using a phone or otherwise - comes second after the
requirements of driving. I will often "drift off" mid-conversation while
using a hands-free, because something on the road demands my attention.

[Ext User(Allan A)]

"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark" <mark@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42f177bc$0$7432$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>> If it's hands free, what's the difference in distraction if the other
> person
>> is on the phone or in the passenger seat?
>
>
> Spot-on.
>
> Any conversation - using a phone or otherwise - comes second after the
> requirements of driving. I will often "drift off" mid-conversation while
> using a hands-free, because something on the road demands my attention.
>
We've got an old saying in aviation circles;

"aviate, navigate, communicate"

1st priority - fly the aeroplane

2nd priority - know where you are

3rd priority - and a long last - when you've got the first two matters
totally under control, then talk if you absolutely really need to.

I can think of few if any situations on the road where you absolutely really
NEED to talk to someone on a phone...

Allan A

[Ext User(Craig Welch)]

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:33:28 +1000, "Allan A" <aaci@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>We've got an old saying in aviation circles;
>
>"aviate, navigate, communicate"
>
>1st priority - fly the aeroplane

Yep, drive the car safely.

>2nd priority - know where you are

Yep, drive the car safely.

>3rd priority - and a long last - when you've got the first two matters
>totally under control, then talk if you absolutely really need to.

Quite. Make that radio call, make a phone call, get on the PA to the
passengers. Not a problem.

>I can think of few if any situations on the road where you absolutely really
>NEED to talk to someone on a phone...

That you can't think of such situations doesn't make them
non-existent. Many people necessarily spend much of their working
day on the road, and need to use their phone often to earn a living.

It's far easier to make a mobile phone call in a car than it is to
change frequencies on the radio of a helicopter ...

--
Craig

[Ext User(OzOne)]

BUT there is a massive difference in the training required to operate
an aircraft.


On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:45:14 +1000, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
scribbled thusly:

>On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:33:28 +1000, "Allan A" <aaci@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>We've got an old saying in aviation circles;
>>
>>"aviate, navigate, communicate"
>>
>>1st priority - fly the aeroplane
>
>Yep, drive the car safely.
>
>>2nd priority - know where you are
>
>Yep, drive the car safely.
>
>>3rd priority - and a long last - when you've got the first two matters
>>totally under control, then talk if you absolutely really need to.
>
>Quite. Make that radio call, make a phone call, get on the PA to the
>passengers. Not a problem.
>
>>I can think of few if any situations on the road where you absolutely really
>>NEED to talk to someone on a phone...
>
>That you can't think of such situations doesn't make them
>non-existent. Many people necessarily spend much of their working
>day on the road, and need to use their phone often to earn a living.
>
>It's far easier to make a mobile phone call in a car than it is to
>change frequencies on the radio of a helicopter ...



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior2)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:n2a8f1po2nd505l89dmq5gq2kdbliogkb2@4ax.com...
>
> BUT there is a massive difference in the training required to operate
> an aircraft.

There's also a lot less to run into up there.


>
>
> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:45:14 +1000, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
> scribbled thusly:
>
> >On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:33:28 +1000, "Allan A" <aaci@optusnet.com.au>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>We've got an old saying in aviation circles;
> >>
> >>"aviate, navigate, communicate"
> >>
> >>1st priority - fly the aeroplane
> >
> >Yep, drive the car safely.
> >
> >>2nd priority - know where you are
> >
> >Yep, drive the car safely.
> >
> >>3rd priority - and a long last - when you've got the first two matters
> >>totally under control, then talk if you absolutely really need to.
> >
> >Quite. Make that radio call, make a phone call, get on the PA to the
> >passengers. Not a problem.
> >
> >>I can think of few if any situations on the road where you absolutely
really
> >>NEED to talk to someone on a phone...
> >
> >That you can't think of such situations doesn't make them
> >non-existent. Many people necessarily spend much of their working
> >day on the road, and need to use their phone often to earn a living.
> >
> >It's far easier to make a mobile phone call in a car than it is to
> >change frequencies on the radio of a helicopter ...
>
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Craig Welch)]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:03:30 +1000, OzOne <> demonstrated his
compete inadequacy by top-posting in pig-ignorant newbie fashion:

>BUT there is a massive difference in the training required to operate
>an aircraft.

You used the word 'difference' then referred to one type of training
.... would you care to complete the sentence?

Perhaps you meant to say 'there is a massive difference in the
training required to operate an aircraft and that required to post
properly in Usenet'.

--
Craig

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:29:02 +1000, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
scribbled thusly:

>On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:03:30 +1000, OzOne <> demonstrated his
>compete inadequacy by top-posting in pig-ignorant newbie fashion:
>
>>BUT there is a massive difference in the training required to operate
>>an aircraft.
>
>You used the word 'difference' then referred to one type of training
>... would you care to complete the sentence?
>
>Perhaps you meant to say 'there is a massive difference in the
>training required to operate an aircraft and that required to post
>properly in Usenet'.

Yeah, that'd be right.....have you trained at either?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Craig Welch)]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:53:42 +1000, OzOne <> wrote:

>Yeah, that'd be right.....have you trained at either?

Yes, I have a licence for one and a few decades experience with the
other.

--
Craig

[Ext User(Scott Hillard)]

"Allan A" <aaci@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:mOSIe.509$Lu1.6587@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...

> > Any conversation - using a phone or otherwise - comes second after the
> > requirements of driving. I will often "drift off" mid-conversation
while
> > using a hands-free, because something on the road demands my attention.

> We've got an old saying in aviation circles;

> "aviate, navigate, communicate"


As taught to me by my ex-Rhodesian bush pilot instructor - when I learned to
fly BEFORE learning to drive.

Welcome to NSW, where you can make your first solo flight on your 16th
Birthday - then wait another 4 years until you are allowed to operate a
deadly C180K saloon......

[Ext User(Scott Hillard)]

"Craig Welch" <craig@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:53:42 +1000, OzOne <> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, that'd be right.....have you trained at either?
>
> Yes, I have a licence for one and a few decades experience with the
> other.


So where did you get the usenet licence, and who let you fly an aeroplane
sans licence for a few decades?

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:31:44 +1000, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
scribbled thusly:

>On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:53:42 +1000, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, that'd be right.....have you trained at either?
>
>Yes, I have a licence for one and a few decades experience with the
>other.

Well well well......my just 19yo son has a licence for one and 1 full
year of experience with the other, and even he realises that it's much
more dangerous to use a mobile phone in a car that it is to change
frequencies in the air.
He also knows that in the air, use of the radios is quick and concise
unlike a rambling, distracting mobile phone conversation.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Craig Welch)]

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:48:12 +1000, "Scott Hillard"
<shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>> >Yeah, that'd be right.....have you trained at either?
>>
>> Yes, I have a licence for one and a few decades experience with the
>> other.
>
>
>So where did you get the usenet licence, and who let you fly an aeroplane
>sans licence for a few decades?

All classified.

--
Craig

[Ext User(Craig Welch)]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:39:39 +1000, OzOne <> wrote:

>>>Yeah, that'd be right.....have you trained at either?
>>
>>Yes, I have a licence for one and a few decades experience with the
>>other.
>
>Well well well......my just 19yo son has a licence for one and 1 full
>year of experience with the other, and even he realises that it's much
>more dangerous to use a mobile phone in a car that it is to change
>frequencies in the air.
>He also knows that in the air, use of the radios is quick and concise
>unlike a rambling, distracting mobile phone conversation.

Do pay attention. What I said was:

================================================== =======
>It's far easier to make a mobile phone call in a car than it is to
>change frequencies on the radio of a helicopter ...
================================================== =======

--
Craig

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:02:26 +1000, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
scribbled thusly:

>On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:39:39 +1000, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>>>>Yeah, that'd be right.....have you trained at either?
>>>
>>>Yes, I have a licence for one and a few decades experience with the
>>>other.
>>
>>Well well well......my just 19yo son has a licence for one and 1 full
>>year of experience with the other, and even he realises that it's much
>>more dangerous to use a mobile phone in a car that it is to change
>>frequencies in the air.
>>He also knows that in the air, use of the radios is quick and concise
>>unlike a rambling, distracting mobile phone conversation.
>
>Do pay attention. What I said was:
>
>================================================== =======
>>It's far easier to make a mobile phone call in a car than it is to
>>change frequencies on the radio of a helicopter ...
>================================================== =======

Exactly,
And I said that the training for a pilot was better...sheesh!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(nva)]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:48:12 +1000, Scott Hillard wrote:

>
> "Craig Welch" <craig@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
> news:i9m8f1dg76voveli078pfn6funu641rnj1@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:53:42 +1000, OzOne <> wrote:
>>
>> >Yeah, that'd be right.....have you trained at either?
>>
>> Yes, I have a licence for one and a few decades experience with the
>> other.
>
>
> So where did you get the usenet licence, and who let you fly an aeroplane
> sans licence for a few decades?

There are quite a few people around Australia who have been flying for
decades without a license, especially those with large properties in
country areas.