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Ext User(ken)
06-08-2005, 07:27 PM
What this entire thread overlooks is the fact that punctures are rare.
Traumatic punctures which present as blowouts - instant deflation - are
even rarer. In over 50 years of driving I have never experienced one.

When tubeless were introduced the reaction was similar to when crank
handles were deleted (I'll bet most of those reading this thread don't
even know what a crank handle is). As I recall the technical argument
was that tubeless ran cooler which was better.

In fact, whenever a tubeless gets a puncture, there is a 90% liklihood
that a fube will be fitted as part of the repair. I think the main
reason for tubeless is, simply, that you save the cost and bother of a
tube. It was auto manufacturers who made the switch to tubeless.

When a puncture occurs - as I say, very rarely - if you are lucky you
pay for a repair. If you are unlucky you are up for a new tyre.

I remember when I bought a Saab about 15 years ago, looking at the
ridiculous thing which passed for a 'spare'. But the salesman pointed
out just how infrequent punctures were. True. so I bought it, still
have it, and have never used the spare (the only puncture was from
hitting a pot-hole in Sydney and two wheels went so it was an NRMA
job).

There is from time to time talk of 'run flat' tyres and they are bound
to come.

But the dominant fact is that punctures are so infrequent that they can
be treated like lightning or aircraft crashes - things which may happen
but are not worth worrying about.

So the tubeless/tube issue is a non-issue. You buy tubeless and
probably put a tube in if, and when, you have a puncture.

Ext User(Patrick Young)
06-08-2005, 07:27 PM
ken wrote:

> What this entire thread overlooks is the fact that punctures are rare.
> Traumatic punctures which present as blowouts - instant deflation - are
> even rarer. In over 50 years of driving I have never experienced one.

I've used pliers to drag the odd nail or screw out.

> So the tubeless/tube issue is a non-issue. You buy tubeless and
> probably put a tube in if, and when, you have a puncture.

Reading this thread, it appears they both suck (or should that
be blow) just as badly.

A tube failure at 100 kph or 50 kph is quite quick (3 of them
while driving, two slower ones while parked, actually one
of those was arrive home and get out to hear "pssshhhhhhh").

One thing I have learnt with tube tyres - if the tyre is replaced
the tube ****must**** be! - I actually insist on watching, as the
biggest problem I've experienced is friction wear.

Off road on sand, a problem with airing down and the tyre rotating
the tube a bit on the rim so as the valve sticks out at an angle
when reinflated.

Agreed, you would have to be doing something pretty fscked to
cause a severe failure - however that's the time you really
need them to hold in there.

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Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)
06-08-2005, 07:27 PM
On 5 Aug 2005 20:52:53 -0700, ken wrote:

> So the tubeless/tube issue is a non-issue. You buy tubeless and
> probably put a tube in if, and when, you have a puncture.

No, I won't ;-)

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Toby.
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Ext User(Feral)
06-08-2005, 07:27 PM
Toby Ponsenby wrote:

> On 5 Aug 2005 20:52:53 -0700, ken wrote:
>
>
>>So the tubeless/tube issue is a non-issue. You buy tubeless and
>>probably put a tube in if, and when, you have a puncture.
>
>
> No, I won't ;-)
>
Fark, I agree. :-)

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Ext User(John_H)
06-08-2005, 07:33 PM
ken wrote:
>
>So the tubeless/tube issue is a non-issue. You buy tubeless and
>probably put a tube in if, and when, you have a puncture.

Don't _ever_ put a tube in a tubeless tyre other than in an extreme
emergency (eg for the 10km 60kph drive home until the new tyre
arrives). The practice ought be illegal and tyre fitters who do it
ought be nutted.

Punctures in tubeless tyres are easily repaired with plugs made for
the purpose, or in some cases vulcanising may be required. If a tyre
can't be repaired by either method than it's not fit for use.

Apart from the fact that any tube in a tubeless radial is a blowout
waiting to happen at highway speeds, there are no tubes made to suit
most modern low profile tyres (by that I mean anything less than a 75%
profile). Any responsible tyre dealer will tell you the same thing.

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John H