Vehicle Rego

[Ext User(Scotty)]

Does all states have rego subject to cylinder amounts?

Just thinking how unfair it was to have to pay 6 Cylinder rates for my
Mazda. Spose it would be even worse for the Suzuki Vitara V6 owners with
only 2.0 litres for 6 cylinders.

Who would rather see it worked out on Cubic Capacity rather than amount of
cylinders?
Eg: 0-1000cc = $XXX. / year
1001-2000 =
2000-3000 =
3000-5000 =
5000-above =

Is there issues with doing it this way other than the government getting
less revenue? Oh and those rotary brigade would have to pay more as well I
suppose, but they don't count. will wait for nasty response top that one :-)

[Ext User(Justin Thyme)]

"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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> Does all states have rego subject to cylinder amounts?
>
> Just thinking how unfair it was to have to pay 6 Cylinder rates for my
> Mazda. Spose it would be even worse for the Suzuki Vitara V6 owners with
> only 2.0 litres for 6 cylinders.
>
> Who would rather see it worked out on Cubic Capacity rather than amount of
> cylinders?
Why pay rego at all anyway? What would be wrong with compulsory third party
insurance and a small administration fee. The balance could be part of fuel
taxes. If they _slightly_ increased fuel tax so that it remained revenue
neutral with what they are currently ripping out of us in rego, would IMO be
the fairest way. That way the amount we pay would be directly proportional
to the distance we travel and the fuel economy of our car. Why should a boy
racer in a turbo charged WRX pay less rego than what I pay for my sedate 6
cyl family car?

> Eg: 0-1000cc = $XXX. / year
> 1001-2000 =
> 2000-3000 =
> 3000-5000 =
> 5000-above =
>
> Is there issues with doing it this way other than the government getting
> less revenue? Oh and those rotary brigade would have to pay more as well I
> suppose, but they don't count. will wait for nasty response top that one
> :-)
>

[Ext User(Mark jb)]

Why should a boy racer in a turbo charged WRX pay less rego than what I pay
for my sedate 6 cyl family car?
>>>>

RTA: "OMG, turbo. Bad! Kill! Quadruple the fees! Turbo oil tax! Speed
limiters! Ban p-platers! Make them illegal to drive in school zones!"

-mark

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Scotty wrote:
>
> Does all states have rego subject to cylinder amounts?

Not in Vic.
Engine size makes no difference to rego cost.



Daryl

[Ext User(duffo21)]

"Mark jb" <jbauer at internode dot on dot net> wrote in message
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> Why should a boy racer in a turbo charged WRX pay less rego than what I
> pay
> for my sedate 6 cyl family car?
>>>>>
>
> RTA: "OMG, turbo. Bad! Kill! Quadruple the fees! Turbo oil tax! Speed
> limiters! Ban p-platers! Make them illegal to drive in school zones!"
>
> -mark
>
yeah not far off the mark there I'd say :-p

[Ext User(Justin Thyme)]

"Mark jb" <jbauer at internode dot on dot net> wrote in message
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> Why should a boy racer in a turbo charged WRX pay less rego than what I
> pay
> for my sedate 6 cyl family car?
>>>>>
>
> RTA: "OMG, turbo. Bad! Kill! Quadruple the fees! Turbo oil tax! Speed
> limiters! Ban p-platers! Make them illegal to drive in school zones!"
Nope that's not what I was saying. It just pisses me off that a boy racer
with a WRX would use the road's more than myself and many others like me, in
a more powerful car, and pays less rego, because the DoT regard 6's as a
higher registration class than 4's.
For that matter, it pisses me off that a sales rep in a commodore who would
probably use the roads 10x what I use them, also pays the same rego.
And it pisses me off that my parents who use the road probably 1/10th of
what I use it, also have to pay the same rego.
>
> -mark
>
>

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Justin Thyme" <pleasedontspamme@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark jb" <jbauer at internode dot on dot net> wrote in message
> news:42f49ff7$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>> Why should a boy racer in a turbo charged WRX pay less rego than what I
>> pay
>> for my sedate 6 cyl family car?
>>>>>>
>>
>> RTA: "OMG, turbo. Bad! Kill! Quadruple the fees! Turbo oil tax! Speed
>> limiters! Ban p-platers! Make them illegal to drive in school zones!"
> Nope that's not what I was saying. It just pisses me off that a boy racer
> with a WRX would use the road's more than myself and many others like me,
> in a more powerful car, and pays less rego, because the DoT regard 6's as
> a higher registration class than 4's.
> For that matter, it pisses me off that a sales rep in a commodore who
> would probably use the roads 10x what I use them, also pays the same rego.
> And it pisses me off that my parents who use the road probably 1/10th of
> what I use it, also have to pay the same rego.
>>
>> -mark
>>
>>
>
>
If you have ever been circuit racing you will know how turbos etc are graded
in club racing. We could do what they do, get turbos CC rating and multiply
by 1.6= True rating. So that 2litre turbo just made its way into yoru 3-4
litre bracket and no bitching. Same with rotaries, when ya turbo them they
jump into the 4-5 litre bracket.
Any worries now Justin?

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> Scotty wrote:
>>
>> Does all states have rego subject to cylinder amounts?
>
> Not in Vic.
> Engine size makes no difference to rego cost.
>
>
>
> Daryl

And thats the way it should be as well I say. Or have like they do in NZ for
road user charges (they dont call em road user taxes anymore since Ms Clark
came in). You prepurchase your Kms and if your caught over you pay through
the nose.

EG: Pay 0.2cents per km = 20,000kms per year = $400. Do only 5000kms and pay
only $100.
Reps etc do 100,000kms per year pay $2000.

That way when you get low you just buy some more kms online and they post
out a new label for you and away ya go. This would work well as then you
wouldnt have to get it done yearly you could just get your yearly $20 rego
lable and prepay the rest as you go. When ya sell a car the amount of Kms
may be a factor in how much you ask for it etc.

[Ext User(Charlie)]

Justin Thyme wrote:

> Why pay rego at all anyway? What would be wrong with compulsory third party
> insurance and a small administration fee. The balance could be part of fuel
> taxes. If they _slightly_ increased fuel tax so that it remained revenue
> neutral with what they are currently ripping out of us in rego, would IMO be
> the fairest way. That way the amount we pay would be directly proportional
> to the distance we travel and the fuel economy of our car. Why should a boy
> racer in a turbo charged WRX pay less rego than what I pay for my sedate 6
> cyl family car?
>
> > Eg: 0-1000cc = $XXX. / year
> > 1001-2000 =
> > 2000-3000 =
> > 3000-5000 =
> > 5000-above =
> >
> > Is there issues with doing it this way other than the government getting
> > less revenue? Oh and those rotary brigade would have to pay more as well I
> > suppose, but they don't count. will wait for nasty response top that one

I'm a member of the rotary brigade, and I agree on that front. Seems
ridiculous that my turbo rotary only pays the same rego as a corolla,
when some 800kg v8 thing has to pay shedloads. Tax the fuel more, by
all means. Anything to make people whinge about fuel prices more and
consider alternatives sounds good to me, though probably not to most in
the group...

The one problem with fuel tax that I can see, is for vehicles that don't
use the roads and don't get bugger all money / support put in to their
areas of use. my 2 stroke dirtbike, for instance ;) uses as much
bloody fuel as my rotary.

Charlie

[Ext User(John_H)]

Scotty wrote:

>Does all states have rego subject to cylinder amounts?
>
>Just thinking how unfair it was to have to pay 6 Cylinder rates for my
>Mazda. Spose it would be even worse for the Suzuki Vitara V6 owners with
>only 2.0 litres for 6 cylinders.
>
>Who would rather see it worked out on Cubic Capacity rather than amount of
>cylinders?
>Eg: 0-1000cc = $XXX. / year
> 1001-2000 =
> 2000-3000 =
> 3000-5000 =
> 5000-above =
>
>Is there issues with doing it this way other than the government getting
>less revenue? Oh and those rotary brigade would have to pay more as well I
>suppose, but they don't count. will wait for nasty response top that one :-)

Almost any system GovCo is ever likely to use will be unfair to
someone.

Car manufacturers also tend to build the cars that the system
favours.... turbos for cars were originally developed for European
countries that taxed on displacement (to make a 2 litre engine do the
job of a 3 litre rather than being performance orientated).

Taxing on the number of cylinders probably sucks even worse because it
favours the most inefficient designs (all other things being equal
more cylinders generally means a more efficient engine)....
Politicians (and it seems most of their constituents) actually believe
the opposite.

The fairest system would be to have a nominal registration fee and a
higher tax on fuel. Convincing the electorate might be another
matter; as the Qld Govt found out when it proposed reducing
registration fees in exchange for the state fuel tax it currently
doesn't collect (8.3¢ plus GST). The backlash from an electorate that
couldn't do simple arithmetic was overwhelming.

For an example of complete government stupidity (based on political
expediency)... semi trailers, which generate the most road wear, pay
enormous rego fees at state level while the Feds (who pay for most of
the roads) refund them half of the fuel tax.

--
John H

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior2)]

"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:42F4D259.57A2D648@iprimus.com.au...
> > Scotty wrote:
> >>
> >> Does all states have rego subject to cylinder amounts?
> >
> > Not in Vic.
> > Engine size makes no difference to rego cost.
> >
> >
> >
> > Daryl
>
> And thats the way it should be as well I say. Or have like they do in NZ
for
> road user charges (they dont call em road user taxes anymore since Ms
Clark
> came in). You prepurchase your Kms and if your caught over you pay through
> the nose.
>
> EG: Pay 0.2cents per km = 20,000kms per year = $400. Do only 5000kms and
pay
> only $100.
> Reps etc do 100,000kms per year pay $2000.
>
> That way when you get low you just buy some more kms online and they post
> out a new label for you and away ya go. This would work well as then you
> wouldnt have to get it done yearly you could just get your yearly $20 rego
> lable and prepay the rest as you go. When ya sell a car the amount of Kms
> may be a factor in how much you ask for it etc.

Sounds good, one of the best "user pay's" way I suppose, but it would still
have to be indexed someway to vehicle weights/size to encourage smaller
cars/trucks.
An what of trailers, comparing to a twice a year used caravan to a tradies
tool trailer or trucks dog trailer?

[Ext User(Charlie)]

Scotty wrote:

> If you have ever been circuit racing you will know how turbos etc are graded
> in club racing. We could do what they do, get turbos CC rating and multiply
> by 1.6= True rating. So that 2litre turbo just made its way into yoru 3-4
> litre bracket and no bitching. Same with rotaries, when ya turbo them they
> jump into the 4-5 litre bracket.
> Any worries now Justin?

the fact that rego in qld at least is charged based on number of
cylinders?

Charlie

[Ext User(Charlie)]

another benefit to this method would be it'd stop penalising owners of
multiple vehicles, so little shopping trolley runabouts for leaving the
suburban at home would start to make financial sense...

Charlie

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Charlie" <askme@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> another benefit to this method would be it'd stop penalising owners of
> multiple vehicles, so little shopping trolley runabouts for leaving the
> suburban at home would start to make financial sense...
>
> Charlie

Exactly what the point of my last post was.


Scotty

[Ext User(Justin Thyme)]

"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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>

> If you have ever been circuit racing you will know how turbos etc are
> graded in club racing. We could do what they do, get turbos CC rating and
> multiply by 1.6= True rating. So that 2litre turbo just made its way into
> yoru 3-4 litre bracket and no bitching. Same with rotaries, when ya turbo
> them they jump into the 4-5 litre bracket.
> Any worries now Justin?
Why base it on capacity or number of cylinders at all? why not base it on
amount of petrol used? If I use the road more, I pay more. If I use the road
less I pay less. Simple.
>
>
>

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[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:01:10 +1000, frog master
<frog.master.29x1r0@no-mx.phorums.com.au> scribbled thusly:

>
>*You can get Life time common law rego for $500* from www.upmart.org and
>chose whatever you want writen on your plates, you have upto 8
>numbers/letters, better still you registration details carnt be
>provided to entities without either your consent or knowledge, say bye
>to revenue rasing speeding and parking fines!
>

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