P plate drivers

[Ext User(duffo21)]

This issue was mentioned in the string about Vehicle Rego so I thought I'd
start a thread to see what people think.

The P plate question has troubled me a bit. What DO you do about P platers?
I've just gotten onto my opens here in QLD so a lot of this doesn't affect
me much anymore. We, at the moment are not required to wear P plates
(although they are trialling L plates at the moment). There doesn't seem to
be as much hype up here about P plate drivers as there has in NSW.

Well I'll pose two main questions:
1. Is there a major problem with P plate drivers that needs to be
addressed?
2. If so, what would be an effective solution to this? (that, if possible
would satisfy both sides (ie Govco and the P platers))

Here are some issues for thought also:
should young drivers be banned from high powered cars? (eg Turbos, V8s, some
rotaries)
should they be limited to the number of people they are allowed to carry?
should there be curfews imposed on them?
Are P platers unfairly targeted by both Police and media?


anyways I'd just thought I'd see what people think. Look forward to the
responses

duffo21

[Ext User(ant)]

duffo21 wrote:

> Are P platers unfairly targeted by both Police and media?

Well, wearing p plates makes them easily identifiable, so there's that
aspect.

But, (and I've been thinking about this while driving the past few weeks
since the last flurry of discussions), I rarely if ever see P platers acting
"well" on the road. They are reckless, arrogant, rude, pushy and generally
unpleasant to share the road with. In fact, they show by their driving that
they aren't interested in the concept of "sharing" the road at all, with
anyone. It's some kind of competition. And that's the boys and the girls, i
should add.

add to this their amazing skill-less-ness (they tailgate, then overtake
poorly, cut back in far too soon, often lose the car's tail etc etc), and I
think the general attention being given to P drivers is warranted.

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ant

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:11:03 +1000, ant wrote:

Blah blah blah....
> and I think the general attention being given
> to P drivers is warranted.

It's PUNITIVE attention.
And a closed loop of kid-bashing.
GovCo doesn't train, or cause them to be trained, at all well.
Then GovCo bitches about them and unleashes it's dogs.
Which nets GovCo money, which it *doesn't* spend on improving the
situation.

And so on.


--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(James)]

ant wrote:
> duffo21 wrote:
>
>
>>Are P platers unfairly targeted by both Police and media?
>
>
> Well, wearing p plates makes them easily identifiable, so there's that
> aspect.
>
> But, (and I've been thinking about this while driving the past few weeks
> since the last flurry of discussions), I rarely if ever see P platers acting
> "well" on the road. They are reckless, arrogant, rude, pushy and generally
> unpleasant to share the road with. In fact, they show by their driving that
> they aren't interested in the concept of "sharing" the road at all, with
> anyone. It's some kind of competition. And that's the boys and the girls, i
> should add.
>
> add to this their amazing skill-less-ness (they tailgate, then overtake
> poorly, cut back in far too soon, often lose the car's tail etc etc), and I
> think the general attention being given to P drivers is warranted.
>

As a Victorian P Plate driver, I resent comments that all P Platers are
reckless hoons with no driving skills. Whilst there is a few of us that
fit this description well, not all of us drive like this.

There are many other groups of drivers who are "reckless, rude, pushy
and generally unpleasant to share the road with". For example, driving
down the Western Ring Road in Melbourne last week, there were several
trucks lane changing like they were driving Mini's.

And as a country person, I have noticed that city drivers in particular
are some of the most rude and impatient drivers that are on our roads.
So much for keeping a 2-second gap between you and the car in front when
driivng down a Freeway at 100km/h. Any attempt at leaving such a gap
will result in several cars trying to squeeze into it.

Personally, I see the people driving at 10km under the speed limit are
the more dangerous drivers. If the speed limit is 100km/h, then, unless
the conditions prohibit it, then you drive at 100km/h. Just because you
aren't in a hurry, others might be. It is then the person like me who
passes them because they are doing 85 in a 100 zone that is labelled as
"reckless".

Not all P Plate drivers are bad drivers.

James

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:11:40 +1000, James wrote:

> Not all P Plate drivers are bad drivers.

Not all P Plate drivers are good drivers.

Good grief - I believe between us we've discovered to answer to life,
the universe and everything.

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Toby Ponsenby wrote:
>
> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:11:40 +1000, James wrote:
>
> > Not all P Plate drivers are bad drivers.
>
> Not all P Plate drivers are good drivers.
>
> Good grief - I believe between us we've discovered to answer to life,
> the universe and everything.

42 but did you understand the question:-)




Daryl

[Ext User(ant)]

James wrote:

> Personally, I see the people driving at 10km under the speed limit are
> the more dangerous drivers. If the speed limit is 100km/h, then,
> unless the conditions prohibit it, then you drive at 100km/h. Just
> because you aren't in a hurry, others might be. It is then the
> person like me who passes them because they are doing 85 in a 100
> zone that is labelled as "reckless".
>
> Not all P Plate drivers are bad drivers.

What do you do if someone's driving below the speed limit, and there's no
overtaking lane, out of interest? Do you try and encourage them to drive
faster?


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ant