Whatever happened to the QLD Petrol Subsidy...

[Ext User(d_crook05@yahoo.com.au)]

Hi

I must admit, I've only been is Australia for 2 years now, so I'm no
expert, but I was used to petrol being about 10c cheaper in QLD than in
NSW. I think it is due to some QLD gov't subsidy.

Check out the latest prices at:

http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/orima/index_tgp.htm

As of 26th Aug 2005, the average Brisbane fuel price is about the same
as Sydney prices for the last 5 days.

Are QLD motorists being ripped off?

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On 26 Aug 2005 01:21:25 -0700, d_crook05@yahoo.com.au scribbled
thusly:

>Hi
>
>I must admit, I've only been is Australia for 2 years now, so I'm no
>expert, but I was used to petrol being about 10c cheaper in QLD than in
>NSW. I think it is due to some QLD gov't subsidy.
>
>Check out the latest prices at:
>
>http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/orima/index_tgp.htm
>
>As of 26th Aug 2005, the average Brisbane fuel price is about the same
>as Sydney prices for the last 5 days.
>
>Are QLD motorists being ripped off?

Nah, NSW is being ripped off when their fair share of tax revenue is
shipped off the Qld to subsidise petrol!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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[Ext User(Robert Pross)]

On 26 Aug 2005 01:21:25 -0700, d_crook05@yahoo.com.au wrote:

>As of 26th Aug 2005, the average Brisbane fuel price is about the same
>as Sydney prices for the last 5 days.
>
>Are QLD motorists being ripped off?


http://www.caltex.com.au/pricing_pla_qldfuel.asp

Has lots of info for you to make an informed opinion


Robert

[Ext User(John_H)]

d_crook05@yahoo.com.au wrote:

>I must admit, I've only been is Australia for 2 years now, so I'm no
>expert, but I was used to petrol being about 10c cheaper in QLD than in
>NSW. I think it is due to some QLD gov't subsidy.
>
>Check out the latest prices at:
>
>http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/orima/index_tgp.htm
>
>As of 26th Aug 2005, the average Brisbane fuel price is about the same
>as Sydney prices for the last 5 days.

No it isn't. The article quotes terminal gate prices -- ie the price
_before_ the state tax is refunded.... The bulk end user (last bulk
purchaser -- including servos) is refunded 8.4¢ per litre by the
Queensland Government, which should effectively reduce the bowser
price by 9.2¢ when GST is factored in.

It works this way because the federal government taxes the oil
companies at the full excise rate, which includes a state tax
component. Queensland, which has never had a state fuel tax, refunds
that component to licensed bulk purchasers rather than the fuel
distributors (who're usually the oil companies)... ie service stations
get the 8.4¢ refund paid direct.

The system has been exactly the same for a number of years.

>
>Are QLD motorists being ripped off?

A check of bowser prices (rather than the bulk price at the terminal
gate) would tell the real story. Generally the answer is no.

--
John H

[Ext User(Knobdoodle)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:5nltg1pl1il6b9ftkv5l6t2h8r09bqo7ej@4ax.com...
> On 26 Aug 2005 01:21:25 -0700, d_crook05@yahoo.com.au scribbled
> thusly:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>I must admit, I've only been is Australia for 2 years now, so I'm no
>>expert, but I was used to petrol being about 10c cheaper in QLD than in
>>NSW. I think it is due to some QLD gov't subsidy.
>>
>>Check out the latest prices at:
>>
>>http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/orima/index_tgp.htm
>>
>>As of 26th Aug 2005, the average Brisbane fuel price is about the same
>>as Sydney prices for the last 5 days.
>>
>>Are QLD motorists being ripped off?
>
> Nah, NSW is being ripped off when their fair share of tax revenue is
> shipped off the Qld to subsidise petrol!
>
I thought Beattie dropped it a few years ago because they reckoned they
couldn't stop tankers crossing the border and buying up the cheap petrol.
--
Knob
(And OF COURSE Qld motorists are being ripped off! We're ALL being ripped
off aren't we?)

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:24:34 +1000, John_H wrote:

> d_crook05@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>
>>I must admit, I've only been is Australia for 2 years now, so I'm no
>>expert, but I was used to petrol being about 10c cheaper in QLD than in
>>NSW. I think it is due to some QLD gov't subsidy.
>>
>>Check out the latest prices at:
>>
>>http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/orima/index_tgp.htm
>>
>>As of 26th Aug 2005, the average Brisbane fuel price is about the same
>>as Sydney prices for the last 5 days.
>
> No it isn't. The article quotes terminal gate prices -- ie the price
> _before_ the state tax is refunded.... The bulk end user (last bulk
> purchaser -- including servos) is refunded 8.4¢ per litre by the
> Queensland Government, which should effectively reduce the bowser
> price by 9.2¢ when GST is factored in.
>
> It works this way because the federal government taxes the oil
> companies at the full excise rate, which includes a state tax
> component. Queensland, which has never had a state fuel tax, refunds
> that component to licensed bulk purchasers rather than the fuel
> distributors (who're usually the oil companies)... ie service stations
> get the 8.4¢ refund paid direct.
>
> The system has been exactly the same for a number of years.
>
>>
>>Are QLD motorists being ripped off?
>
> A check of bowser prices (rather than the bulk price at the terminal
> gate) would tell the real story. Generally the answer is no.

Might be the origin of servo owners saying they're selling below
'cost' in these parts.
You know, the old 'to remain competitive' gag.

Correct to say that no matter what, they get their GovCo refund paid
out no matter what they sell the stuff for?


--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(John_H)]

Knobdoodle wrote:

>I thought Beattie dropped it a few years ago because they reckoned they
>couldn't stop tankers crossing the border and buying up the cheap petrol.

He proposed retaining the state tax component (as all the other states
do) in return for lower registration fees. The foolish sheeple
bleated loud and long so he backed down (as populist politicians are
inclined to do).

The bulk end user licensing system operating in Queensland means that
bulk fuel crossing the border doesn't get the state tax component of
the federal excise refunded. The only way that could happen would be
if a bulk end user (ie a licensed bulk purchaser) were rorting the
system. Non licensed bulk purchasers can't claim the refund.

The way the fuel distribution system currently operates would make
rorting extremely difficult as both the Queensland Office of State
Revenue and the ATO link directly to the fuel distributors' invoicing
system. Govco Qld also requires annual returns from all bulk end
users -- mine was posted yesterday (they're due in on September 1).

--
John H

[Ext User(mark jb)]

> Correct to say that no matter what, they get their GovCo refund paid
> out no matter what they sell the stuff for?

Yup.

-mark

[Ext User(Knobdoodle)]

"John_H" <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tr6vg19n94840ti0h22lfdel6rf0hf1kb4@4ax.com...
> Knobdoodle wrote:
>
>>I thought Beattie dropped it a few years ago because they reckoned they
>>couldn't stop tankers crossing the border and buying up the cheap petrol.
>
> He proposed retaining the state tax component (as all the other states
> do) in return for lower registration fees. The foolish sheeple
> bleated loud and long so he backed down (as populist politicians are
> inclined to do).
>
> The bulk end user licensing system operating in Queensland means that
> bulk fuel crossing the border doesn't get the state tax component of
> the federal excise refunded. The only way that could happen would be
> if a bulk end user (ie a licensed bulk purchaser) were rorting the
> system. Non licensed bulk purchasers can't claim the refund.
>
> The way the fuel distribution system currently operates would make
> rorting extremely difficult as both the Queensland Office of State
> Revenue and the ATO link directly to the fuel distributors' invoicing
> system. Govco Qld also requires annual returns from all bulk end
> users -- mine was posted yesterday (they're due in on September 1).
>
Thanks.
--
Knob

[Ext User(John_H)]

Toby Ponsenby wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:24:34 +1000, John_H wrote:
>
>> d_crook05@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>
>>>Are QLD motorists being ripped off?
>>
>> A check of bowser prices (rather than the bulk price at the terminal
>> gate) would tell the real story. Generally the answer is no.
>
>Might be the origin of servo owners saying they're selling below
>'cost' in these parts.
>You know, the old 'to remain competitive' gag.

The terminal gate prices are largely ficticious, in that no one
actually pays those prices (discounts apply). Nor is it possible to
determine precisely what the average bowser price is -- due to oil
company based discounting and cross subsidisation of outlets.

>
>Correct to say that no matter what, they get their GovCo refund paid
>out no matter what they sell the stuff for?

Correct. However, if there are ripoffs occurring I doubt that the
servos are the ones to blame. Certainly some locations pay a lot more
than others, but how much is due to distribution costs and sales
volumes is awfully difficult to gauge.

Any time I travel interstate I get the impression that Q doesn't do
too badly on bowser prices, particularly in regional outlets.

--
John H

[Ext User(kevcat)]

d_crook05@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I must admit, I've only been is Australia for 2 years now, so I'm no
> expert, but I was used to petrol being about 10c cheaper in QLD than in
> NSW. I think it is due to some QLD gov't subsidy.
>
> Check out the latest prices at:
>
> http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/orima/index_tgp.htm
>
> As of 26th Aug 2005, the average Brisbane fuel price is about the same
> as Sydney prices for the last 5 days.
>
> Are QLD motorists being ripped off?


NSW has/had a state fuel tax
where QLD doesn't

Kev

[Ext User(kevcat)]

OzOne wrote:
>
> On 26 Aug 2005 01:21:25 -0700, d_crook05@yahoo.com.au scribbled
> thusly:
>
> >Hi
> >
> >I must admit, I've only been is Australia for 2 years now, so I'm no
> >expert, but I was used to petrol being about 10c cheaper in QLD than in
> >NSW. I think it is due to some QLD gov't subsidy.
> >
> >Check out the latest prices at:
> >
> >http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/orima/index_tgp.htm
> >
> >As of 26th Aug 2005, the average Brisbane fuel price is about the same
> >as Sydney prices for the last 5 days.
> >
> >Are QLD motorists being ripped off?
>
> Nah, NSW is being ripped off when their fair share of tax revenue is
> shipped off the Qld to subsidise petrol!
>


it is a state thing
no other state's money is used to subsidise QLD

Kev

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:07:06 GMT, kevcat <kevcat@dodo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>> Nah, NSW is being ripped off when their fair share of tax revenue is
>> shipped off the Qld to subsidise petrol!
>>
>
>
>it is a state thing
>no other state's money is used to subsidise QLD
>
>Kev

You maybe should read a paper now and then!
Share of GST revenue is not returned to the state where it was levied
but instead is 'distributed' among the states.
Qld gets a far bigger slice of the pie than it's share of ingredients.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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[Ext User(Stewart)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:47u1h119gv3tuq40v3e04vnhh5igr3oqci@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:07:06 GMT, kevcat <kevcat@dodo.com.au>
> scribbled thusly:
>
>>> Nah, NSW is being ripped off when their fair share of tax revenue is
>>> shipped off the Qld to subsidise petrol!
>>>
>>
>>
>>it is a state thing
>>no other state's money is used to subsidise QLD
>>
>>Kev
>
> You maybe should read a paper now and then!
> Share of GST revenue is not returned to the state where it was levied
> but instead is 'distributed' among the states.
> Qld gets a far bigger slice of the pie than it's share of ingredients.

The subsidy QLD gets on fuel is due to the lack of state fuel tax, not GST,
or more accuritly the state fuel tax that the Govt must charge is returned
to purchaser as a subsidy. It's just that the other states Govts keep the
fuel tax money for themselves..

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 05:16:51 GMT, "Stewart" <gjstewart@bigpond.com>
scribbled thusly:

>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:47u1h119gv3tuq40v3e04vnhh5igr3oqci@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:07:06 GMT, kevcat <kevcat@dodo.com.au>
>> scribbled thusly:
>>
>>>> Nah, NSW is being ripped off when their fair share of tax revenue is
>>>> shipped off the Qld to subsidise petrol!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>it is a state thing
>>>no other state's money is used to subsidise QLD
>>>
>>>Kev
>>
>> You maybe should read a paper now and then!
>> Share of GST revenue is not returned to the state where it was levied
>> but instead is 'distributed' among the states.
>> Qld gets a far bigger slice of the pie than it's share of ingredients.
>
>The subsidy QLD gets on fuel is due to the lack of state fuel tax, not GST,
>or more accuritly the state fuel tax that the Govt must charge is returned
>to purchaser as a subsidy. It's just that the other states Govts keep the
>fuel tax money for themselves..
>

Duh!!!
The reason that Qld can return the fuel tax is
because they get better than their share of national GST collection
back....get it yet?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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