Re: speeding ticket

[Ext User(Shane)]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:19xdi1x0q4czn$.9pvfbvws423u$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:37:37 GMT, Spooky wrote:
>
>> "Vincent" <rapide@gofast.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:v%GVe.42325$FA3.9897@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> Got caught a couple of weeks allegedly doing 63 kph in a 50 zone
>>> But, one of the streets named "along "A" street between "B" street and
>>> "C"
>>> street" namely "C" street is not there at all
>>> The cop named it as Main Street instead of High Street, because locally,
>>> High Street is known as the Main Street
>>> Can this ticket be legally and sucessfully defended against with the
>>> wrong
>>> street name ??
>>
>> No. The fact that the street name is incorrectly recorded is of
>> little consequence. The cop only has to prove that it was a Road.
>>
>> Spooky
>
> Crap.

No crap.

> The crown must prove the offence.

Time, date, ROAD OR ROAD RELATED AREA, driver, motor vehicle = conviction.


> That's the event, *time* and *place*.
> If it can't, the fine's bullshit.

It's actually legitimate. The other thing is Toby, the street he referred to
is KNOWN by that other name. We have a road close-by that to my knowledge
has at least three different names. Broughton Street, Remembrance Drive and
Old Hume Highway. Any one of these will prove the case. I know.


> You're basing your thoughts on the fact that the person breached is
> going to admit to the offence on a street somewhere, and they just
> mightn't be that stupid, and the magistrate just mightn't be stupid
> enough to disobey the laws by asking about it.
> Fat chance, I know, but that's the way it's all supposed to work.


No............our friend Vincent already knows what road it is and has even
admitted that he knows it by two names. The road could have 48 names, it's a
road and it's open and used by other people. That's all the prosecution has
to prove. Furthermore Toby, what about roads that don't have a name??? I've
used a nearby creek as a road name when it doesn't have one of it's own.
This would be a fairly regular occurrence with country crashes on dirt
roads.






>
>
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[Ext User(Vincent)]

"Shane" <sdw@coolcats.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:19xdi1x0q4czn$.9pvfbvws423u$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:37:37 GMT, Spooky wrote:
> >
> >> "Vincent" <rapide@gofast.net.au> wrote in message
> >> news:v%GVe.42325$FA3.9897@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >>> Got caught a couple of weeks allegedly doing 63 kph in a 50 zone
> >>> But, one of the streets named "along "A" street between "B" street and
> >>> "C"
> >>> street" namely "C" street is not there at all
> >>> The cop named it as Main Street instead of High Street, because
locally,
> >>> High Street is known as the Main Street
> >>> Can this ticket be legally and sucessfully defended against with the
> >>> wrong
> >>> street name ??
> >>
> >> No. The fact that the street name is incorrectly recorded is of
> >> little consequence. The cop only has to prove that it was a Road.
> >>
> >> Spooky
> >
> > Crap.
>
> No crap.
>
> > The crown must prove the offence.
>
> Time, date, ROAD OR ROAD RELATED AREA, driver, motor vehicle = conviction.
>
>
> > That's the event, *time* and *place*.
> > If it can't, the fine's bullshit.
>
> It's actually legitimate. The other thing is Toby, the street he referred
to
> is KNOWN by that other name. We have a road close-by that to my knowledge
> has at least three different names. Broughton Street, Remembrance Drive
and
> Old Hume Highway. Any one of these will prove the case. I know.
>
>
> > You're basing your thoughts on the fact that the person breached is
> > going to admit to the offence on a street somewhere, and they just
> > mightn't be that stupid, and the magistrate just mightn't be stupid
> > enough to disobey the laws by asking about it.
> > Fat chance, I know, but that's the way it's all supposed to work.
>
>
> No............our friend Vincent already knows what road it is and has
even
> admitted that he knows it by two names. The road could have 48 names, it's
a
> road and it's open and used by other people. That's all the prosecution
has
> to prove. Furthermore Toby, what about roads that don't have a name???
I've
> used a nearby creek as a road name when it doesn't have one of it's own.
> This would be a fairly regular occurrence with country crashes on dirt
> roads.


Well Spooky, this is how almost every street got its name years ago
Smith Street was where the Smiths lived
Long Gully Road was the road along the long gully
sheepwash Creek Road was down by the sheepwash
etc etc etc.
I am not disagreeing with you Spooky nor am I trying to start a debate on
whether I should or not have gone over the speed limit
I asked a question on a legal arguement
as what is known as the Main Road goes around the town and one end of it is
in a 100 kph zone with the other in a 50 zone
which end was I booked from?
only the cop can tell
Besides, I spoke to a QC mate, he said it could be successfully argued, but
it could still cost me more than the originsl fine
also, I have paid the fine, lost the three points
So, discussion closed thank you for your input, your opinion is always
appreciated
By me, anyway

[Ext User(Feral)]

Vincent wrote:
> "Shane" <sdw@coolcats.net.au> wrote in message
> news:432924c8@news.comindico.com.au...
>
>>"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:19xdi1x0q4czn$.9pvfbvws423u$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:37:37 GMT, Spooky wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Vincent" <rapide@gofast.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:v%GVe.42325$FA3.9897@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>>>Got caught a couple of weeks allegedly doing 63 kph in a 50 zone
>>>>>But, one of the streets named "along "A" street between "B" street and
>>>>>"C"
>>>>>street" namely "C" street is not there at all
>>>>>The cop named it as Main Street instead of High Street, because
>
> locally,
>
>>>>>High Street is known as the Main Street
>>>>>Can this ticket be legally and sucessfully defended against with the
>>>>>wrong
>>>>>street name ??
>>>>
>>>>No. The fact that the street name is incorrectly recorded is of
>>>>little consequence. The cop only has to prove that it was a Road.
>>>>
>>>>Spooky
>>>
>>>Crap.
>>
>>No crap.
>>
>>
>>>The crown must prove the offence.
>>
>>Time, date, ROAD OR ROAD RELATED AREA, driver, motor vehicle = conviction.
>>
>>
>>
>>>That's the event, *time* and *place*.
>>>If it can't, the fine's bullshit.
>>
>>It's actually legitimate. The other thing is Toby, the street he referred
>
> to
>
>>is KNOWN by that other name. We have a road close-by that to my knowledge
>>has at least three different names. Broughton Street, Remembrance Drive
>
> and
>
>>Old Hume Highway. Any one of these will prove the case. I know.
>>
>>
>>
>>>You're basing your thoughts on the fact that the person breached is
>>>going to admit to the offence on a street somewhere, and they just
>>>mightn't be that stupid, and the magistrate just mightn't be stupid
>>>enough to disobey the laws by asking about it.
>>>Fat chance, I know, but that's the way it's all supposed to work.
>>
>>
>>No............our friend Vincent already knows what road it is and has
>
> even
>
>>admitted that he knows it by two names. The road could have 48 names, it's
>
> a
>
>>road and it's open and used by other people. That's all the prosecution
>
> has
>
>>to prove. Furthermore Toby, what about roads that don't have a name???
>
> I've
>
>>used a nearby creek as a road name when it doesn't have one of it's own.
>>This would be a fairly regular occurrence with country crashes on dirt
>>roads.
>
>
>
> Well Spooky, this is how almost every street got its name years ago
> Smith Street was where the Smiths lived
> Long Gully Road was the road along the long gully
> sheepwash Creek Road was down by the sheepwash
> etc etc etc.
> I am not disagreeing with you Spooky nor am I trying to start a debate on
> whether I should or not have gone over the speed limit
> I asked a question on a legal arguement
> as what is known as the Main Road goes around the town and one end of it is
> in a 100 kph zone with the other in a 50 zone
> which end was I booked from?
> only the cop can tell
> Besides, I spoke to a QC mate, he said it could be successfully argued, but
> it could still cost me more than the originsl fine
> also, I have paid the fine, lost the three points
> So, discussion closed thank you for your input, your opinion is always
> appreciated
> By me, anyway
>
>
Crikey Vincent, you could have done the second most decent thing and
edited Shane out if you were going to ignore him.

Everybody else does. :-)))))))))))))))))))))

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Take Care.
Feral

[Ext User(Shane)]

"Vincent" <rapide@gofast.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Shane" <sdw@coolcats.net.au> wrote in message
> news:432924c8@news.comindico.com.au...
>>
>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:19xdi1x0q4czn$.9pvfbvws423u$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:37:37 GMT, Spooky wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Vincent" <rapide@gofast.net.au> wrote in message
>> >> news:v%GVe.42325$FA3.9897@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >>> Got caught a couple of weeks allegedly doing 63 kph in a 50 zone
>> >>> But, one of the streets named "along "A" street between "B" street
>> >>> and
>> >>> "C"
>> >>> street" namely "C" street is not there at all
>> >>> The cop named it as Main Street instead of High Street, because
> locally,
>> >>> High Street is known as the Main Street
>> >>> Can this ticket be legally and sucessfully defended against with the
>> >>> wrong
>> >>> street name ??
>> >>
>> >> No. The fact that the street name is incorrectly recorded is of
>> >> little consequence. The cop only has to prove that it was a Road.
>> >>
>> >> Spooky
>> >
>> > Crap.
>>
>> No crap.
>>
>> > The crown must prove the offence.
>>
>> Time, date, ROAD OR ROAD RELATED AREA, driver, motor vehicle =
>> conviction.
>>
>>
>> > That's the event, *time* and *place*.
>> > If it can't, the fine's bullshit.
>>
>> It's actually legitimate. The other thing is Toby, the street he referred
> to
>> is KNOWN by that other name. We have a road close-by that to my knowledge
>> has at least three different names. Broughton Street, Remembrance Drive
> and
>> Old Hume Highway. Any one of these will prove the case. I know.
>>
>>
>> > You're basing your thoughts on the fact that the person breached is
>> > going to admit to the offence on a street somewhere, and they just
>> > mightn't be that stupid, and the magistrate just mightn't be stupid
>> > enough to disobey the laws by asking about it.
>> > Fat chance, I know, but that's the way it's all supposed to work.
>>
>>
>> No............our friend Vincent already knows what road it is and has
> even
>> admitted that he knows it by two names. The road could have 48 names,
>> it's
> a
>> road and it's open and used by other people. That's all the prosecution
> has
>> to prove. Furthermore Toby, what about roads that don't have a name???
> I've
>> used a nearby creek as a road name when it doesn't have one of it's own.
>> This would be a fairly regular occurrence with country crashes on dirt
>> roads.
>
>
> Well Spooky, this is how almost every street got its name years ago
> Smith Street was where the Smiths lived
> Long Gully Road was the road along the long gully
> sheepwash Creek Road was down by the sheepwash
> etc etc etc.
> I am not disagreeing with you Spooky nor am I trying to start a debate on
> whether I should or not have gone over the speed limit
> I asked a question on a legal arguement
> as what is known as the Main Road goes around the town and one end of it
> is
> in a 100 kph zone with the other in a 50 zone
> which end was I booked from?
> only the cop can tell
> Besides, I spoke to a QC mate, he said it could be successfully argued,
> but
> it could still cost me more than the originsl fine
> also, I have paid the fine, lost the three points
> So, discussion closed thank you for your input, your opinion is always
> appreciated
> By me, anyway


It was Shane by the way :)))))


>
>

[Ext User(Feral)]

Shane wrote:

> It was Shane by the way :)))))

Who should know the same "High Street" that used to be called "Main
Street" in the town (city now) where I lived once. :-)
Coincidence...probably.

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Take Care.
Feral

[Ext User(Shane)]

"Feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
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> Shane wrote:
>
>> It was Shane by the way :)))))
>
> Who should know the same "High Street" that used to be called "Main
> Street" in the town (city now) where I lived once. :-)
> Coincidence...probably.

Lost me..........
>
> --
> Take Care.
> Feral

[Ext User(atec)]

Shane wrote:

> "Feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
> news:432a7c6b$0$22653$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
>>Shane wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It was Shane by the way :)))))
>>
>>Who should know the same "High Street" that used to be called "Main
>>Street" in the town (city now) where I lived once. :-)
>>Coincidence...probably.
>
>
> Lost me..........


nothing unusual
>
>>--
>>Take Care.
>>Feral
>
>
>

[Ext User(Feral)]

Shane wrote:

> "Feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
> news:432a7c6b$0$22653$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
>>Shane wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It was Shane by the way :)))))
>>
>>Who should know the same "High Street" that used to be called "Main
>>Street" in the town (city now) where I lived once. :-)
>>Coincidence...probably.
>
>
> Lost me..........

You never drove down the Main Street (High Street) of Penrith to get to
Castlereagh then?

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Take Care.
Feral

[Ext User(ant)]

Shane wrote:

> It was Shane by the way :)))))

People who repost unsnipped 5kb posts to add a one liner are guilty of an
offence, btw.

I've given up in aus.tv and have set the killfile to nuke anything over 40
lines. That's 3kb. But I have hopes of aus.cars and so haven't set that up.
Yet.


--
ant

[Ext User(Shane)]

"atec" <atec77@xxxhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Shane wrote:
>
>> "Feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
>> news:432a7c6b$0$22653$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>>>Shane wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It was Shane by the way :)))))
>>>
>>>Who should know the same "High Street" that used to be called "Main
>>>Street" in the town (city now) where I lived once. :-)
>>>Coincidence...probably.
>>
>>
>> Lost me..........
>
>
> nothing unusual

Maybe not but I'd still convict you even when I'm lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>>
>>>--
>>>Take Care.
>>>Feral
>>
>>

[Ext User(Feral)]

Shane wrote:
> "atec" <atec77@xxxhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:432a7f22@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

>> nothing unusual
>
>
> Maybe not ...

Humph...

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Take Care.
Feral

[Ext User(atec)]

Shane wrote:

> "atec" <atec77@xxxhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:432a7f22@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>>Shane wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
>>>news:432a7c6b$0$22653$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Shane wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It was Shane by the way :)))))
>>>>
>>>>Who should know the same "High Street" that used to be called "Main
>>>>Street" in the town (city now) where I lived once. :-)
>>>>Coincidence...probably.
>>>
>>>
>>>Lost me..........
>>
>>
>> nothing unusual
>
>
> Maybe not but I'd still convict you even when I'm lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
you will never convict me of anything loser.. except maybe of wasting
time telling you the truth .

[Ext User(kevcat)]

ant wrote:
>
> Shane wrote:
>
> > It was Shane by the way :)))))
>
> People who repost unsnipped 5kb posts to add a one liner are guilty of an
> offence, btw.
>
> I've given up in aus.tv and have set the killfile to nuke anything over 40
> lines. That's 3kb. But I have hopes of aus.cars and so haven't set that up.
> Yet.

Won't be a problem for me now
I'm so glad Telstra got off their friggin arse and upgraded our exchange
before they get sold off

now I can get ADSL and will be after next Monday
now all I have to do is send change of email to everyone I know, change
emails for the forums I subscribe to, swap my entire website
<http://members.dodo.com.au/~kevcat> over to Optus, yadda yadda .......

who says ya need to be in the country to have a lack of phone services

Kev

[Ext User(Shane)]

"Feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
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> Shane wrote:
>
>> "Feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
>> news:432a7c6b$0$22653$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>>>Shane wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It was Shane by the way :)))))
>>>
>>>Who should know the same "High Street" that used to be called "Main
>>>Street" in the town (city now) where I lived once. :-)
>>>Coincidence...probably.
>>
>>
>> Lost me..........
>
> You never drove down the Main Street (High Street) of Penrith to get to
> Castlereagh then?

Nope..........Elizabeth Drive, Walgrove Rd, Freeway, Mulgoa Rd, then it's
all a blur but you get my drift.




>
> --
> Take Care.
> Feral

[Ext User(Feral)]

Shane wrote:

> Nope..........Elizabeth Drive, Walgrove Rd, Freeway, Mulgoa Rd, then it's
> all a blur but you get my drift.

....Mulgo Rd, left onto High St (Main St), right onto Castlereagh Rd,
over the rail line, down past Jacksons Lane, yada yada yada....
Drifted 'round there a few times myself.
What am I saying..... :-)

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Take Care.
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[Ext User(Feral)]

Feral wrote:

> Shane wrote:
>
>> Nope..........Elizabeth Drive, Walgrove Rd, Freeway, Mulgoa Rd, then
>> it's all a blur but you get my drift.
>
>
> ...Mulgo Rd, left onto High St (Main St), right onto Castlereagh Rd,
> over the rail line, down past Jacksons Lane, yada yada yada....
> Drifted 'round there a few times myself.
> What am I saying..... :-)
>
And make that *under* the rail line. Crikey, I'm going back too far. :-)

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