Re: speeding ticket

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"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> kevcat wrote:
>
>> Toby Ponsenby wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:34:40 +1000, Feral wrote:
>>>
>>>>How does 1965 sound, I worked that Saturday for Zero nett profit. :-( Am
>>>>I doing my bit?
>>>
>>>Only if you repeat after me that:
>>>"Speed limits are stupid and arbitary"
>>
>> I keep hearing this and it is the dumbest thing I have heard
>> but do you really want people doing what ever speed they like down your
>> street?
>>
>> I have 3 children
>> the neighbours across the road have 4
>> they play with the kids 5 houses up, 3 of them there
>>
>> and then there are some from the surrounding streets
>>
>> they all play out on the street as kids have done since streets were
>> invented
>>
>> people drive along this street and most still do 50, not because there
>> are kids, because they are required to by law
>>
>> if this 50kph law didn't exsist you think these people would drive
>> slower?
>> fuck off they would
>> they'd come down the street at 100 and fuck the people who live there
>>
>> speed limits are for the more mentally challenged out there
>>
>> like the fuckwits who believe that "Speed limits are stupid and
>> arbitary"
>>
>> Kev
>
> The problem with the govt's approach, IMHO, is that their method of trying
> to get us to slow down is not teaching us to be safer drivers. It's
> teaching the majority that to be a safe driver you just have to drive
> slower. We should be teaching people to drive to the conditions and be
> more observant and aware that shit will happen and be prepared to avoid
> it. Toby's example is actually pretty good - even though he was driving
> really really slow, a kid was able to appear from nowhere and nearly get
> hit and Toby only avoided him because he (I assume) expects that sort of
> shit to happen. I'm sure the majority aren't like that. Just look at what
> happens when most people get into those sort of situations, or even
> something as simple as a sudden bit of braking on the freeway - people
> jump on the brakes, and even if they lock up, they stay on them because
> they just don't know how to do anything but.

Exactly, you could put these people through an advanced training course
every year and they would still drive the same, so the only realistic
alternative for those less performance orientated people is to encourage
them to crash slower.

Face it you're not going to get 20% of drivers off the road either, and
believe it or not a large percentage of people just drive from A to B, not
caring on their stopwatch time.

If people are late because of 50kph zones they should GET THEIR ARSE OUT OF
BED EARLIER.







>
> Have fatalaties in residential areas fallen? Were kids getting pulverised
> by people speeding in the back streets before so much emphasis was placed
> on evil speeding? Lowering speed limits in back streets is probably only
> reducing the road toll by a few percent. Most people who crash seem to
> just fall off the road, or collect an oncoming vehicle when passing
> unsafely. What does that suggest to you about the vale of simply reducing
> speed limits and enforcing predominantly nothing but the associated law?
>
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Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> Exactly, you could put these people through an advanced training course
> every year and they would still drive the same, so the only realistic
> alternative for those less performance orientated people is to encourage
> them to crash slower.

With that approach we WILL all be doing no more than 30kph in backstreets within
20 years, I reckon.

> Face it you're not going to get 20% of drivers off the road either, and
> believe it or not a large percentage of people just drive from A to B, not
> caring on their stopwatch time.

Particularly tradesmen.

> If people are late because of 50kph zones they should GET THEIR ARSE OUT OF
> BED EARLIER.

Der.


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"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
>> Exactly, you could put these people through an advanced training course
>> every year and they would still drive the same, so the only realistic
>> alternative for those less performance orientated people is to encourage
>> them to crash slower.
>
> With that approach we WILL all be doing no more than 30kph in backstreets
> within 20 years, I reckon.

Probably or we could be giving bad drivers certificates believing they are
safe to drive faster.

>> Face it you're not going to get 20% of drivers off the road either, and
>> believe it or not a large percentage of people just drive from A to B,
>> not caring on their stopwatch time.
>
> Particularly tradesmen.

So what, they're being paid to drive why do it dangerously. Would you rather
get there 10 seconds later or 20 minutes after then crashing into you?



>
>> If people are late because of 50kph zones they should GET THEIR ARSE OUT
>> OF BED EARLIER.
>
> Der.
>
>
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Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> "Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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>
>>Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Exactly, you could put these people through an advanced training course
>>>every year and they would still drive the same, so the only realistic
>>>alternative for those less performance orientated people is to encourage
>>>them to crash slower.
>>
>>With that approach we WILL all be doing no more than 30kph in backstreets
>>within 20 years, I reckon.
>
>
> Probably or we could be giving bad drivers certificates believing they are
> safe to drive faster.
>
>
>>>Face it you're not going to get 20% of drivers off the road either, and
>>>believe it or not a large percentage of people just drive from A to B,
>>>not caring on their stopwatch time.
>>
>>Particularly tradesmen.
>
>
> So what, they're being paid to drive why do it dangerously. Would you rather
> get there 10 seconds later or 20 minutes after then crashing into you?

It's also when they're on their way home. Obviously avoiding getting home to see
the wife and kids.

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"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
>> "Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
>> news:kf6pv2-tn1.ln1@centauri.unico.com.au...
>>
>>>Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>>
>>>>Exactly, you could put these people through an advanced training course
>>>>every year and they would still drive the same, so the only realistic
>>>>alternative for those less performance orientated people is to encourage
>>>>them to crash slower.
>>>
>>>With that approach we WILL all be doing no more than 30kph in backstreets
>>>within 20 years, I reckon.
>>
>> Probably or we could be giving bad drivers certificates believing they
>> are safe to drive faster.
>>
>>>>Face it you're not going to get 20% of drivers off the road either, and
>>>>believe it or not a large percentage of people just drive from A to B,
>>>>not caring on their stopwatch time.
>>>
>>>Particularly tradesmen.
>>
>> So what, they're being paid to drive why do it dangerously. Would you
>> rather get there 10 seconds later or 20 minutes after then crashing into
>> you?
>
> It's also when they're on their way home. Obviously avoiding getting home
> to see the wife and kids.

If you're in that much of a hurry, buy a plane.

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Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> "Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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>
>>Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
>>>news:kf6pv2-tn1.ln1@centauri.unico.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Exactly, you could put these people through an advanced training course
>>>>>every year and they would still drive the same, so the only realistic
>>>>>alternative for those less performance orientated people is to encourage
>>>>>them to crash slower.
>>>>
>>>>With that approach we WILL all be doing no more than 30kph in backstreets
>>>>within 20 years, I reckon.
>>>
>>>Probably or we could be giving bad drivers certificates believing they
>>>are safe to drive faster.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Face it you're not going to get 20% of drivers off the road either, and
>>>>>believe it or not a large percentage of people just drive from A to B,
>>>>>not caring on their stopwatch time.
>>>>
>>>>Particularly tradesmen.
>>>
>>>So what, they're being paid to drive why do it dangerously. Would you
>>>rather get there 10 seconds later or 20 minutes after then crashing into
>>>you?
>>
>>It's also when they're on their way home. Obviously avoiding getting home
>>to see the wife and kids.
>
>
> If you're in that much of a hurry, buy a plane.

Tell that to someone whose just been told they only have 6 months to live. if
they had not dawdled so much in life, they may have spent weeks more with their
family.
>
>
>


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"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
>> "Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
>> news:b8v003-orr.ln1@centauri.unico.com.au...
>>
>>>Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Exactly, you could put these people through an advanced training
>>>>>>course every year and they would still drive the same, so the only
>>>>>>realistic alternative for those less performance orientated people is
>>>>>>to encourage them to crash slower.
>>>>>
>>>>>With that approach we WILL all be doing no more than 30kph in
>>>>>backstreets within 20 years, I reckon.
>>>>
>>>>Probably or we could be giving bad drivers certificates believing they
>>>>are safe to drive faster.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Face it you're not going to get 20% of drivers off the road either,
>>>>>>and believe it or not a large percentage of people just drive from A
>>>>>>to B, not caring on their stopwatch time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Particularly tradesmen.
>>>>
>>>>So what, they're being paid to drive why do it dangerously. Would you
>>>>rather get there 10 seconds later or 20 minutes after then crashing into
>>>>you?
>>>
>>>It's also when they're on their way home. Obviously avoiding getting home
>>>to see the wife and kids.
>>
>>
>> If you're in that much of a hurry, buy a plane.
>
> Tell that to someone whose just been told they only have 6 months to
> live. if they had not dawdled so much in life, they may have spent weeks
> more with their family.

Yeah, stuff those who aren't dying, "I've got cancer, tumour, diabetes,
heart condition, ingrown toenail etc" so I'll drive as fast as I bloody well
can because my time counts more than yours.

They might have just spent weeks more playstation, smoking, drinking,
driving recklessly, croc wrestling without their family too.

[Ext User(Ben Thomas)]

Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> Yeah, stuff those who aren't dying, "I've got cancer, tumour, diabetes,
> heart condition, ingrown toenail etc" so I'll drive as fast as I bloody well
> can because my time counts more than yours.
>
> They might have just spent weeks more playstation, smoking, drinking,
> driving recklessly, croc wrestling without their family too.
>
>

You've misunderstood me Pat. If you spend 10 or 20 minutes more per day on the
road that adds up to possibly weeks of your life. So if you get to 50 and you've
wasted a few weeks by dawdling along on the way to and from work, then you'll
really regret it if you find out you've only get a few months to live because of
cancer.

I'm certainly not suggesting we drive faster than the speed limit.
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Ben Thomas wrote:
> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
>> Yeah, stuff those who aren't dying, "I've got cancer, tumour,
>> diabetes, heart condition, ingrown toenail etc" so I'll drive as fast
>> as I bloody well can because my time counts more than yours.
>>
>> They might have just spent weeks more playstation, smoking, drinking,
>> driving recklessly, croc wrestling without their family too.
>>
>>
>
> You've misunderstood me Pat. If you spend 10 or 20 minutes more per day
> on the road that adds up to possibly weeks of your life. So if you get
> to 50 and you've wasted a few weeks by dawdling along on the way to and
> from work, then you'll really regret it if you find out you've only get
> a few months to live because of cancer.
>
> I'm certainly not suggesting we drive faster than the speed limit.

I seriously suggest you get a better grip on life. :-)

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Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
>> Yeah, stuff those who aren't dying, "I've got cancer, tumour, diabetes,
>> heart condition, ingrown toenail etc" so I'll drive as fast as I bloody
>> well can because my time counts more than yours.
>>
>> They might have just spent weeks more playstation, smoking, drinking,
>> driving recklessly, croc wrestling without their family too.
>>
>>
>
> You've misunderstood me Pat. If you spend 10 or 20 minutes more per day on
> the road that adds up to possibly weeks of your life. So if you get to 50
> and you've wasted a few weeks by dawdling along on the way to and from
> work, then you'll really regret it if you find out you've only get a few
> months to live because of cancer.
>

This has already been taken into consideration! 80 or so years ago, the
speed limits were much lower than they are now. They increased it for the
benefit of people that want to waste less of their life on the road. (That's
my story and I'm sticking to it!) How far do you want to take it?
Chris

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"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
>> Yeah, stuff those who aren't dying, "I've got cancer, tumour, diabetes,
>> heart condition, ingrown toenail etc" so I'll drive as fast as I bloody
>> well can because my time counts more than yours.
>>
>> They might have just spent weeks more playstation, smoking, drinking,
>> driving recklessly, croc wrestling without their family too.
>>
>>
>
> You've misunderstood me Pat. If you spend 10 or 20 minutes more per day on
> the road that adds up to possibly weeks of your life.

To shave 10 or 20 minutes off a work trip may involve a lot more than just
doing 60 in 50 zones.

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Chris <here@there.com.za> wrote:

> This has already been taken into consideration! 80 or so years ago, the
> speed limits were much lower than they are now.

Bzzt.

80 years ago, _some_ limits existed and were lower than _some_ limits now.

80 years ago, there were a lot of places where limits were simply not
applied.

> They increased it for the
> benefit of people that want to waste less of their life on the road. (That's
> my story and I'm sticking to it!) How far do you want to take it?

No, they increased limits commensurate with a very conservative standard of
vehicle dynamics relative to improved roads. Then they put them back down
for political reasons, which is creating more road rage and more fatigue.

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"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:1127379293.933149@idlweb...
> Chris <here@there.com.za> wrote:
>
>> This has already been taken into consideration! 80 or so years ago, the
>> speed limits were much lower than they are now.
>
> Bzzt.
>
> 80 years ago, _some_ limits existed and were lower than _some_ limits now.
>
> 80 years ago, there were a lot of places where limits were simply not
> applied.
>
>> They increased it for the
>> benefit of people that want to waste less of their life on the road.
>> (That's
>> my story and I'm sticking to it!) How far do you want to take it?
>
> No, they increased limits commensurate with a very conservative standard
> of
> vehicle dynamics relative to improved roads. Then they put them back down
> for political reasons, which is creating more road rage and more fatigue.
>
> Athol

If the 10kph difference is making you fall asleep, pull over & sleep.

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Chris wrote:

> Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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>

>>You've misunderstood me Pat. If you spend 10 or 20 minutes more per day on
>>the road that adds up to possibly weeks of your life. So if you get to 50
>>and you've wasted a few weeks by dawdling along on the way to and from
>>work, then you'll really regret it if you find out you've only get a few
>>months to live because of cancer.
>>
>
>
> This has already been taken into consideration! 80 or so years ago, the
> speed limits were much lower than they are now. They increased it for the
> benefit of people that want to waste less of their life on the road. (That's
> my story and I'm sticking to it!) How far do you want to take it?
> Chris
>
>

That is gradually being reversed though, IMHO.

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Rainbow Warrior wrote:

> "Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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>
>>Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah, stuff those who aren't dying, "I've got cancer, tumour, diabetes,
>>>heart condition, ingrown toenail etc" so I'll drive as fast as I bloody
>>>well can because my time counts more than yours.
>>>
>>>They might have just spent weeks more playstation, smoking, drinking,
>>>driving recklessly, croc wrestling without their family too.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>You've misunderstood me Pat. If you spend 10 or 20 minutes more per day on
>>the road that adds up to possibly weeks of your life.
>
>
> To shave 10 or 20 minutes off a work trip may involve a lot more than just
> doing 60 in 50 zones.
>
>

I was originally complaining about people who dawdle, i.e. are happy to sit
10-20kph under the limit, which can make a big difference on the freeway at
least, not suggesting we condone speeding.

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Ben Thomas wrote:

> I was originally complaining about people who dawdle, i.e. are happy to
> sit 10-20kph under the limit, which can make a big difference on the
> freeway at least, not suggesting we condone speeding.
>
Shit Ben, grow up. If people want to travel slower than the posted speed
(even on a freeway) and they do it according to the law, it's their
right. So get over it and get a life.

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feral wrote:

> Ben Thomas wrote:
>
>> I was originally complaining about people who dawdle, i.e. are happy
>> to sit 10-20kph under the limit, which can make a big difference on
>> the freeway at least, not suggesting we condone speeding.
>>
> Shit Ben, grow up. If people want to travel slower than the posted speed
> (even on a freeway) and they do it according to the law, it's their
> right. So get over it and get a life.
>

I'm entitled to an opinion, at least as much as they are entitled to their
driving behaviour. If you've got nothing more constructive to say, then get over
it and get a life.

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Ben Thomas wrote:

> feral wrote:
>
>> Ben Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> I was originally complaining about people who dawdle, i.e. are happy
>>> to sit 10-20kph under the limit, which can make a big difference on
>>> the freeway at least, not suggesting we condone speeding.
>>>
>> Shit Ben, grow up. If people want to travel slower than the posted
>> speed (even on a freeway) and they do it according to the law, it's
>> their right. So get over it and get a life.
>>
>
> I'm entitled to an opinion, at least as much as they are entitled to
> their driving behaviour. If you've got nothing more constructive to say,
> then get over it and get a life.
>
That goes for complaining, whingers too. :-)

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"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> feral wrote:
>
>> Ben Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> I was originally complaining about people who dawdle, i.e. are happy to
>>> sit 10-20kph under the limit, which can make a big difference on the
>>> freeway at least, not suggesting we condone speeding.
>>>
>> Shit Ben, grow up. If people want to travel slower than the posted speed
>> (even on a freeway) and they do it according to the law, it's their
>> right. So get over it and get a life.
>>
>
> I'm entitled to an opinion, at least as much as they are entitled to their
> driving behaviour. If you've got nothing more constructive to say, then
> get over it and get a life.

What about those of us who get far better fuel economy at 10 or so k's under
the freeway limit?.....If I'm in no particular hurry to get to where I'm
going, I can do 100k's on the freeway and gain at least another 50k's per
tank by doing so. 10k's difference or even 20k's difference is no big deal
if you're looking where you're going. If you can't pick the difference and
it causes anyone grief then I suggest they hand their licences in right now!



>
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"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
>> "Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
>> news:pq8903-66t.ln1@centauri.unico.com.au...
>>
>> To shave 10 or 20 minutes off a work trip may involve a lot more than
>> just doing 60 in 50 zones.
>
> I was originally complaining about people who dawdle, i.e. are happy to
> sit 10-20kph under the limit, which can make a big difference on the
> freeway at least, not suggesting we condone speeding.

As long as they do so in the left lane fine by me, if someone doesn't feel
comfortable doing the limit due to age, weather, vehicle load, fine. 20kph
under in the left lane isn't unreasonable, you could scream blue murder when
a pantech loses control on the freeway because someone was doing the speed
limit instead of a prudent speed for conditions.

Try telling us you'll drive at the speed limit all the time when you're half
deaf, unco-ordinated and wearing glasses at 65.