Question re B&S 5hp mower

[Ext User(Jason James)]

Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.

The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked for the
choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has one
central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.

How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the primer
bulb and fuel passage?

tks Jason

[Ext User(atec)]

Jason James wrote:

>Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
>
>The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
>overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked for the
>choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has one
>central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
>
>How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the primer
>bulb and fuel passage?
>
>tks Jason
>
>
>
>
is it one of those carby things that moves the jet to richen ?
it may be stuck and flooding

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"atec" <atec77@###hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jason James wrote:
>
> >Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
> >
> >The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
> >overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked for
the
> >choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has
one
> >central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
> >
> >How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the
primer
> >bulb and fuel passage?
> >
> >tks Jason
> >
> >
> >
> >
> is it one of those carby things that moves the jet to richen ?
> it may be stuck and flooding

Took the bowl off and the jet is screwed up the centre, it protubes into the
veturri in the form of a thin brass tube..it doesn't 'appear' to be movable,
...I'll give it a gentle pull. Its quite wierd,..almost like it doesnt have a
choke.

Jason

[Ext User(atec)]

Jason James wrote:

>"atec" <atec77@###hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:433df84c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>
>>Jason James wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
>>>
>>>The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
>>>overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked for
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has
>>>
>>>
>one
>
>
>>>central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
>>>
>>>How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the
>>>
>>>
>primer
>
>
>>>bulb and fuel passage?
>>>
>>>tks Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>is it one of those carby things that moves the jet to richen ?
>> it may be stuck and flooding
>>
>>
>
>Took the bowl off and the jet is screwed up the centre, it protubes into the
>veturri in the form of a thin brass tube..it doesn't 'appear' to be movable,
>..I'll give it a gentle pull. Its quite wierd,..almost like it doesnt have a
>choke.
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>
It might lift the needle a little to richen things , or the float bowl
needle is leakiing

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"atec" <atec77@###hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jason James wrote:
>
> >"atec" <atec77@###hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:433df84c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> >
> >
> >>Jason James wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
> >>>
> >>>The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
> >>>overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked
for
> >>>
> >>>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>>choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has
> >>>
> >>>
> >one
> >
> >
> >>>central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
> >>>
> >>>How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the
> >>>
> >>>
> >primer
> >
> >
> >>>bulb and fuel passage?
> >>>
> >>>tks Jason
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>is it one of those carby things that moves the jet to richen ?
> >> it may be stuck and flooding
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Took the bowl off and the jet is screwed up the centre, it protubes into
the
> >veturri in the form of a thin brass tube..it doesn't 'appear' to be
movable,
> >..I'll give it a gentle pull. Its quite wierd,..almost like it doesnt
have a
> >choke.
> >
> >Jason
> >
> >
> >
> >
> It might lift the needle a little to richen things , or the float bowl
> needle is leakiing

I think you're right,..I found out after going thru a handbook site, that BS
engines that have a primer bulb, do not have a choke,...slack.

tks, Jason

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:28:31 GMT, Jason James wrote:

> Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
>
> The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
> overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked for the
> choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has one
> central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
>
> How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the primer
> bulb and fuel passage?
>
> tks Jason

Choke is automagically applied when throttle is in the start position.
That's the basic idle position on the thing, BTW.
Operating manual 'should' suggest changing the thing to run position
as soon as it fires. I don't recall any B&S engine running all that
well with the choke involved in proceedings.
Inventions of the devil, all of 'em.
(Yeah, I know some bastard will now post a story of one producing
2,342 BHP with or without the aid of forced induction - Big Deal)

Anyhow, Best Trick is to put NEW fuel in the thing before trying much
else.
By new, I mean bought this week;-)


--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:17nz8marf84tk$.836rkd98hd0e.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:28:31 GMT, Jason James wrote:
>
> > Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
> >
> > The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
> > overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked for
the
> > choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has
one
> > central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
> >
> > How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the
primer
> > bulb and fuel passage?
> >
> > tks Jason
>
> Choke is automagically applied when throttle is in the start position.
> That's the basic idle position on the thing, BTW.

Believe it or not, this model doesn't have anything written on the throttle
except a bar graph indicating which way to move the lever for faster or more
noise,...even then it doesn't speed up much, it just takes up some of the
governor slack.

> Operating manual 'should' suggest changing the thing to run position
> as soon as it fires. I don't recall any B&S engine running all that
> well with the choke involved in proceedings.
> Inventions of the devil, all of 'em.

Indeed,..I'll give em one thing,..even tho they make all sorts of whacking
sounds from the slappy piston and valve train when the governor opens the
throttle,..they do keep going for decades,..they just get noisier and burn
more oil.

I notice the new Quantum engines (as in mine) have strip-o-matic plastic
parts for the unwary if overtightening retaining screws for the air-filter
etc.

> (Yeah, I know some bastard will now post a story of one producing
> 2,342 BHP with or without the aid of forced induction - Big Deal)
>
> Anyhow, Best Trick is to put NEW fuel in the thing before trying much
> else.
> By new, I mean bought this week;-)

Aye,..I've been using old outboard mix in this thing (50:1),..which I've
desisted in doing, as the plug was carboned -up as well adding to my stall
probs. The real fault was the needle valve, as it kept flooding petrol out
the main-jet,...so I go to turn off the fuel tap,..BZZZT! it doesn't have
one,..F#*&!. frantically search for something to plug fuel- line.

Turns out the thing doesn't have a choke flap. It relies on the primer bulb
to dump fuel in venturri for starting, then its supposed to keep going,..so
much for emmission controls. It must be running on the rich side to manage
this trick.

Jason

[Ext User(JD)]

Jason James wrote:

>
> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:17nz8marf84tk$.836rkd98hd0e.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:28:31 GMT, Jason James wrote:
>>
>> > Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
>> >
>> > The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
>> > overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked
>> > for
> the
>> > choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has
> one
>> > central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
>> >
>> > How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the
> primer
>> > bulb and fuel passage?
>> >
>> > tks Jason
>>
>> Choke is automagically applied when throttle is in the start position.
>> That's the basic idle position on the thing, BTW.
>
> Believe it or not, this model doesn't have anything written on the
> throttle except a bar graph indicating which way to move the lever for
> faster or more noise,...even then it doesn't speed up much, it just takes
> up some of the governor slack.
>
>> Operating manual 'should' suggest changing the thing to run position
>> as soon as it fires. I don't recall any B&S engine running all that
>> well with the choke involved in proceedings.
>> Inventions of the devil, all of 'em.
>
> Indeed,..I'll give em one thing,..even tho they make all sorts of whacking
> sounds from the slappy piston and valve train when the governor opens the
> throttle,..they do keep going for decades,..they just get noisier and burn
> more oil.
>
> I notice the new Quantum engines (as in mine) have strip-o-matic plastic
> parts for the unwary if overtightening retaining screws for the air-filter
> etc.
>
>> (Yeah, I know some bastard will now post a story of one producing
>> 2,342 BHP with or without the aid of forced induction - Big Deal)
>>
>> Anyhow, Best Trick is to put NEW fuel in the thing before trying much
>> else.
>> By new, I mean bought this week;-)
>
> Aye,..I've been using old outboard mix in this thing (50:1),..which I've
> desisted in doing, as the plug was carboned -up as well adding to my stall
> probs. The real fault was the needle valve, as it kept flooding petrol out
> the main-jet,...so I go to turn off the fuel tap,..BZZZT! it doesn't have
> one,..F#*&!. frantically search for something to plug fuel- line.
>
> Turns out the thing doesn't have a choke flap. It relies on the primer
> bulb to dump fuel in venturri for starting, then its supposed to keep
> going,..so much for emmission controls. It must be running on the rich
> side to manage this trick.
>
> Jason

Probably relies on fuel cooling! (I am not a fan of B&S - have one on my
mower and one on my spare generator, but Honda on firefighter and main
standby generator)
JD

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"JD" <jjd@SPAMLESS.com.au> wrote in message
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> Jason James wrote:
>
> >
> > "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:17nz8marf84tk$.836rkd98hd0e.dlg@40tude.net...
> >> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:28:31 GMT, Jason James wrote:
> >>
> >> > Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
> >> >
> >> > The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
> >> > overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked
> >> > for
> > the
> >> > choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It
has
> > one
> >> > central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
> >> >
> >> > How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the
> > primer
> >> > bulb and fuel passage?
> >> >
> >> > tks Jason
> >>
> >> Choke is automagically applied when throttle is in the start position.
> >> That's the basic idle position on the thing, BTW.
> >
> > Believe it or not, this model doesn't have anything written on the
> > throttle except a bar graph indicating which way to move the lever for
> > faster or more noise,...even then it doesn't speed up much, it just
takes
> > up some of the governor slack.
> >
> >> Operating manual 'should' suggest changing the thing to run position
> >> as soon as it fires. I don't recall any B&S engine running all that
> >> well with the choke involved in proceedings.
> >> Inventions of the devil, all of 'em.
> >
> > Indeed,..I'll give em one thing,..even tho they make all sorts of
whacking
> > sounds from the slappy piston and valve train when the governor opens
the
> > throttle,..they do keep going for decades,..they just get noisier and
burn
> > more oil.
> >
> > I notice the new Quantum engines (as in mine) have strip-o-matic plastic
> > parts for the unwary if overtightening retaining screws for the
air-filter
> > etc.
> >
> >> (Yeah, I know some bastard will now post a story of one producing
> >> 2,342 BHP with or without the aid of forced induction - Big Deal)
> >>
> >> Anyhow, Best Trick is to put NEW fuel in the thing before trying much
> >> else.
> >> By new, I mean bought this week;-)
> >
> > Aye,..I've been using old outboard mix in this thing (50:1),..which I've
> > desisted in doing, as the plug was carboned -up as well adding to my
stall
> > probs. The real fault was the needle valve, as it kept flooding petrol
out
> > the main-jet,...so I go to turn off the fuel tap,..BZZZT! it doesn't
have
> > one,..F#*&!. frantically search for something to plug fuel- line.
> >
> > Turns out the thing doesn't have a choke flap. It relies on the primer
> > bulb to dump fuel in venturri for starting, then its supposed to keep
> > going,..so much for emmission controls. It must be running on the rich
> > side to manage this trick.
> >
> > Jason
>
> Probably relies on fuel cooling! (I am not a fan of B&S - have one on my
> mower and one on my spare generator, but Honda on firefighter and main
> standby generator)
> JD

The Honda is a much more sophisticated engine with OHV. We had one driving a
2.4kw 240vac generator. It ran ok for about 3 years. It went thru 4, 200L
drums of fuel in that time. It was still starting reliabley, it just blew
tons of blue smoke for 5 mins after starting. Compression was still good, so
the valve stems must have carked it. It was serviced periodically.

Jason

[Ext User(athol)]

Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net> wrote:

> Anyhow, Best Trick is to put NEW fuel in the thing before trying much
> else.
> By new, I mean bought this week;-)

I'm seriously considering a gas conversion for my 10.5 HP B&S ride-on.
:-) Shouldn't need a very big tank. A primus bottle perhaps...

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Ext User(atec)]

Jason James wrote:

>"JD" <jjd@SPAMLESS.com.au> wrote in message
>news:433eeaa7@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>
>>Jason James wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>The Honda is a much more sophisticated engine with OHV. We had one driving a
>2.4kw 240vac generator. It ran ok for about 3 years. It went thru 4, 200L
>drums of fuel in that time. It was still starting reliabley, it just blew
>tons of blue smoke for 5 mins after starting. Compression was still good, so
>the valve stems must have carked it. It was serviced periodically.
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>
The new 4 hp B+S we installed on the mower a couple of years back has
some sort of pump/splash lubrication and a preasure safety thing along
with a real side draught carby , 180 litres of fuel so far and still
running well.

[Ext User(rmcgrice)]

athol <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:1128212742.625229@idlweb:

> Toby Ponsenby <toby@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyhow, Best Trick is to put NEW fuel in the thing before trying much
>> else.
>> By new, I mean bought this week;-)
>
> I'm seriously considering a gas conversion for my 10.5 HP B&S ride-on.
>:-) Shouldn't need a very big tank. A primus bottle perhaps...
>

Can be a good way to start motors.
I've started the Suzuki many times with a squirt from a can of LPG lighter
refuel :-)
It has a lazy fuel pump and this gives it a "kick start".

Ron

[Ext User(John_H)]

JD wrote:
>
>(I am not a fan of B&S - have one on my
>mower and one on my spare generator, but Honda on firefighter and main
>standby generator)

B&S Vanguard is well ahead of Honda. :)

B&S make the mistake of manufacturing too large a range quality wise
(their best engines are the very best). Honda build consistent
quality crap, which just happen to be relatively reliable up until
they die suddenly and prematurely (as most of them do).

--
John H

[Ext User(JD)]

John_H wrote:

> JD wrote:
>>
>>(I am not a fan of B&S - have one on my
>>mower and one on my spare generator, but Honda on firefighter and main
>>standby generator)
>
> B&S Vanguard is well ahead of Honda. :)
>
> B&S make the mistake of manufacturing too large a range quality wise
> (their best engines are the very best). Honda build consistent
> quality crap, which just happen to be relatively reliable up until
> they die suddenly and prematurely (as most of them do).
>
> --
> John H

From the perspective of a simple user, it comes down to, in my experience,
Honda engines always start, B&S engines sometimes start. And most
landholders round here agree. And particularly important for standby
generators and firefighters. Durability is a separate question, as is parts
and repair costs, but but both are less important.
JD

[Ext User(John_H)]

JD wrote:
>
>From the perspective of a simple user, it comes down to, in my experience,
>Honda engines always start, B&S engines sometimes start. And most
>landholders round here agree. And particularly important for standby
>generators and firefighters. Durability is a separate question, as is parts
>and repair costs, but but both are less important.

Where's "round here"?

I don't even wonder why the Queensland Fire and Rescue Authority
(rural fire service) no longer supply Honda powered pumps to Qld
landholders (unless there's been a recent change I haven't caught up
with). I regulary see their lists (as well as the equipment) which
haven't featured Honda for years -- 1½" Davey pump with a B&S Vanguard
seems to be their standard firefighter.

My own experience with both also tells me that the quality end of the
B&S range shit all over Honda for reliability as well as longevity,
parts availability (particularly for older models) and ease of
service.

--
John H

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <433ed66a@news.comindico.com.au>,
associate@dodo.comzapspam.au says...
>
> Turns out the thing doesn't have a choke flap. It relies on the primer bulb
> to dump fuel in venturri for starting, then its supposed to keep going,..so
> much for emmission controls. It must be running on the rich side to manage
> this trick.
>
Disposed of the chokes on the Ducati Pantah engine, just twist
the throttle a few times (has accelerator pumps) fire and keep
the revs up a little until stable.

Same principle really as the priming bulb. With the old choke
idea on B&S the main problem arises when the carb is removed and
replaced but the choke not set properly. I do prefer the priming
bulb with no choke flap messing up a hot start. Mine almost
always starts first pull hot or cold so if you find yourself
swearing, you are doing something wrong.. grasshopper.
My, how time flies, my mower is 10 years old. Doesn't use oil,
original plug. Correct servicing of the oiled foam air filter
element helps to keep sand and dirt out.

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dab9ededc3c265c9896e1@news.readfreenews. net...
> In article <433ed66a@news.comindico.com.au>,
> associate@dodo.comzapspam.au says...
> >
> > Turns out the thing doesn't have a choke flap. It relies on the primer
bulb
> > to dump fuel in venturri for starting, then its supposed to keep
going,..so
> > much for emmission controls. It must be running on the rich side to
manage
> > this trick.
> >
> Disposed of the chokes on the Ducati Pantah engine, just twist
> the throttle a few times (has accelerator pumps) fire and keep
> the revs up a little until stable.

To true,..but depending on ambient conditions surely. In the old days of
manual chokes, the uninformed folks would say a car which could start with
little or no choke, was somehow "better".

On a winter's morning, you could hear the ones who had no functioning
choke,..rev,..stall,.rev, rev. sputter etc Then when their accelerator-pump
carked it, they walked.


> Same principle really as the priming bulb. With the old choke
> idea on B&S the main problem arises when the carb is removed and
> replaced but the choke not set properly. I do prefer the priming
> bulb with no choke flap messing up a hot start. Mine almost
> always starts first pull hot or cold so if you find yourself
> swearing, you are doing something wrong.. grasshopper.

I think their must be more than a couple of carbies in use over the years.
The old 3hp BS which still runs after 23 yrs,..has a vacuum operated
'auto-choke'. Its a cunt of a thing mainly because the mixture changes with
fuel-tank level. This carby uses the tank as the 'fuel bowl'.. Once the
engine starts, the choke stays off courtesy of the rapid vacuum
pulses,..but, if you hit heavy going,..the engine goes towards stall,..the
governor responds,..and if you're lucky the engine will pick-up before the
choke flap snuffs the whole thing..its a fine balance.


> My, how time flies, my mower is 10 years old. Doesn't use oil,
> original plug. Correct servicing of the oiled foam air filter
> element helps to keep sand and dirt out.

Funny how you guys always get the best run of motors,...and yeah, I washed
the filter then re-oiled it,..once or twice :-)

Jason

[Ext User(Jumper)]

Hi everyone
Read your notes re Vanguards, have had one for 12 years on a
push Big Bob great device, then started to blow off breather and smoke like
a steam train, pulled it down , bore perfect, rings no gap, did not take off
oil ring but top ring brand new, piston like new,
anyone any clues, heard it could be the breather but it is just a flat disc,
seems ok.

Regards


"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:17nz8marf84tk$.836rkd98hd0e.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:28:31 GMT, Jason James wrote:
>
> > Just when you wheel out the damn thing for the first mow, it dies.
> >
> > The mower is a '99, 5hp self-propelled (missus model). It goes into
> > overchoke hunts,..and stops. I removed the filter (clean) and looked for
the
> > choke. Can't see one. The carby is a metal self contained thing. It has
one
> > central jet then the throttle butterfly but no choke flap.
> >
> > How does the engine compensate for cold start? Is it tied up with the
primer
> > bulb and fuel passage?
> >
> > tks Jason
>
> Choke is automagically applied when throttle is in the start position.
> That's the basic idle position on the thing, BTW.
> Operating manual 'should' suggest changing the thing to run position
> as soon as it fires. I don't recall any B&S engine running all that
> well with the choke involved in proceedings.
> Inventions of the devil, all of 'em.
> (Yeah, I know some bastard will now post a story of one producing
> 2,342 BHP with or without the aid of forced induction - Big Deal)
>
> Anyhow, Best Trick is to put NEW fuel in the thing before trying much
> else.
> By new, I mean bought this week;-)
>
>
> --
> Toby.
> quidquid latine dictum
> sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"Jumper" <grwhite@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
news:di1cse$eqb$1@possum.melbpc.org.au...
> Hi everyone
> Read your notes re Vanguards, have had one for 12 years on
a
> push Big Bob great device, then started to blow off breather and smoke
like
> a steam train, pulled it down , bore perfect, rings no gap, did not take
off
> oil ring but top ring brand new, piston like new,
> anyone any clues, heard it could be the breather but it is just a flat
disc,
> seems ok.
>
> Regards

Does it blow-off the breather pipe to the inlet? It maybe the crankcase
ventilation thingamujig which consists of a couple of valves which look like
fuel-pump valves (of old) with small discs has buggered-up. I saw an
original Datsun Bluebird once pour out acres of blue smoke because the PCV
system was allowing crankcase vapours AND oil mist to get into the intake
despite there being an oil-trap.

If your mower engine is back-firing out the carby this may blow off the
breather pipe. The oil-burning sounds like those valves have failed in some
way.....anybody else have more specific info?
I haven't had probs in that area.

Jason

[Ext User(mf1@project1221.com)]

John_H wrote:
> JD wrote:
> >
> >(I am not a fan of B&S - have one on my
> >mower and one on my spare generator, but Honda on firefighter and main
> >standby generator)
>
> B&S Vanguard is well ahead of Honda. :)

The reason the Vanguard is THE top small-engine in the world today is
simple:

1.Its a reverse engineered and improved honda gx series.

2.Its designed/engineered/ & Made in Japan by M I T S U B I S H I, its
a GM182 clone, the only thing B&S about it is the sticker on it.

Most B&S horizontal shafts [intek and older "kool-bore" side valves for
instance]that are Made In Usa to the absolute bottom dollar are not as
goods as the other 2 listed above.The company is run by accountants not
engineers..

PS The honda GX series are not Japanese built, but Made In Thailand
[BarFine:-)

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