Acetone fuel additive increases fuel economy by up to 35%

[Ext User(funkers11)]

Some more good news! Acetone to increases fuel economy by up to 35%
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive

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Metric Conversion, Acetone additive to fuel
oz per gallon | milliliters per 10 liters
---------------+----------------------------
2 | 15.6
2.5 | 19.5
3* | 23.4
3.5 | 27.3
4 | 31.3
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* = recommended amount to try first

Anyone know where to get pure acetone cheaply? Bunnings warehouse?

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funkers11 wrote:

>Some more good news! Acetone to increases fuel economy by up to 35%
>http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive

And pigs might fly!

>
>Anyone know where to get pure acetone cheaply? Bunnings warehouse?

AR acetone (the pure stuff) doesn't come cheap.

Commercial acetone (which is considerably cheaper) is readily
available from numerous sources, eg industrial chemical suppliers,
fibreglass supplies stockists etc.

Nor is it likely to be cost effective, even in the unlikely event that
your fuel economy does improve.... Note that the link you've given
doesn't include a single objective measurement done under controlled
conditions (ie take the claimed results with a pinch of shit).

Don't forget to let us know how you go.

Oh, and if you happen to be one of those who think ethanol might
damage your car, then acetone has the potential to dissolve it while
you sleep. :)

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"funkers11" <funkers11@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Some more good news! Acetone to increases fuel economy by up to 35%
> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Metric Conversion, Acetone additive to fuel
> oz per gallon | milliliters per 10 liters
> ---------------+----------------------------
> 2 | 15.6
> 2.5 | 19.5
> 3* | 23.4
> 3.5 | 27.3
> 4 | 31.3
> ---------------+------------------------------
>
> * = recommended amount to try first
>
> Anyone know where to get pure acetone cheaply? Bunnings warehouse?
>


Pure acetone as a fuel additive would have to be to most costliest additive
you could think of
The only place you could get pure acetone would be from a chemical warehouse
or from a chemist
you will pay something like $3.00 for 100 mil.
that is if the chemist lets you buy some.
that was the last time I bought some


> There's not enough rules already. Please sir, give us more rules today!
>

[Ext User(funkers11)]

Thank you Vincent and John H for your replies. Some valid points which
I've briefly investigated below with some suggested answers:

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Acetone is too cheap?
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If 1.7c per litre "extra" cost of acetone top of your fuel is
"expensive" then sure, it is. I'd consider not using it to be more
expensive myself:

- 10% increase in economy = save 12-14 cents per litre
- 35% increase in economy = save 36-42 cents per litre.

Not a bad return for a cost of 1.7c per litre.

* Based on Bunnings 4ltr unit can prices. Might be cheaper still if buy
from a chemical supplier. Cost calculation: At 4ltr unit costs of
$7.245 per liter, and recommended 2.34 millilitres/litre of fuel works
out at $0.0170 per litre of fuel treated.

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Acetone is hard to find?
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Bunnings sell it, branded Recochen 1ltr=$11.60, 4ltr=$28.98. Purity of
it is "100% acetone UN1090". Probably a paint supplier sells it too.

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What testing has been done to confirm fuel economy is increased?
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Enough 'random samples' of individual experiences has been collected at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive to
show acetone does improve fuel economy. Anywhere from 10-35%.

Fuel excise is 38c per litre. Controlled government agency testing of
all the corner case permutations of fuel suppliers against all the
vehicles out there would no doubt be delayed for months.

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Can it damage my vehicle's components?
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Maybe, as per link: "Acetone is known to deteriorate cheap plastics
and other substances. While the components in a car's fuel system
should be of high quality, and thus immune to any deleterious effects
from exposure to acetone....you assume your own liability for
experimentally testing acetone in your particular system."

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Some thoughts
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- newer cars have plastic fuel tanks. Acetone placed before fuel could
be a bad idea.

- With fuel in there, at the recommended 2340PPM (parts per million)
is a very weak concentration. Perhaps a chemist can indicate if acetone
at this level of concentration will damage your car's insides. At this
level it sounds like a potentiator of fuel burn more than anything.

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Last reply in reference to the replies given to this thread on
aus.cars!! Apologies for any confusion.

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The Acetone from Bunnings works quite OK as an additive.
>
> Anyone know where to get pure acetone cheaply? Bunnings warehouse?
>
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>
>

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[Ext User(budgie)]

On 1 Oct 2005 21:28:31 -0700, "funkers11" <funkers11@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Thank you Vincent and John H for your replies. Some valid points which
>I've briefly investigated below with some suggested answers:
>
(snip)

>--------------------------------------
>Can it damage my vehicle's components?
>--------------------------------------
>Maybe, as per link: "Acetone is known to deteriorate cheap plastics
>and other substances. While the components in a car's fuel system
>should be of high quality, and thus immune to any deleterious effects
>from exposure to acetone....you assume your own liability for
>experimentally testing acetone in your particular system."
>
>-------------
>Some thoughts
>-------------
>
>- newer cars have plastic fuel tanks. Acetone placed before fuel could
>be a bad idea.
>
>- With fuel in there, at the recommended 2340PPM (parts per million)
>is a very weak concentration. Perhaps a chemist can indicate if acetone
>at this level of concentration will damage your car's insides. At this
>level it sounds like a potentiator of fuel burn more than anything.

Acetone is a wonderful (and powerful) solvent, and makes ethanol look positively
inert by comparison. At 0.25% concentration in the fuel, I wouldn't be
knowingly putting it into any of MY fleet.

[Ext User(funkers11)]

**********
Budgie
*********
thank you for your contribution! Most of us have seen pure acetone is
powerful stuff. It can take the nail polish off your fingers. Though
will it work at 0.25% concentration, mixed with water?

As this is an action to provide liberation of some money, can I ask,
how have you managed to keep consistent profit levels when dealing with
rising petrol prices?

For someone from the public, how have they dealt with rising petrol
costs (and associated services passing down costs) while keeping money
for things like mortgages, food, clothing, entertainment, etc?
Especially if they are on the low end of the income bracket?

I'm from the public and will be testing my first bottle of acetone
tonight. PS - on the website provided a Monaro driver reported an
increase of 5mpg to 6mpg with acetone.

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[Ext User(John_H)]

funkers11 wrote:
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>What testing has been done to confirm fuel economy is increased?
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Enough 'random samples' of individual experiences has been collected at
>http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive to
>show acetone does improve fuel economy. Anywhere from 10-35%.

You might ask yourself how these improvements could possibly be
achieved....

In fact there's two ways (and only two). Either the fuel has a higher
energy content (MJ/kg) or the thermodynamic efficiency of the treated
engine is increased.

The first isn't possible, since you're adding a substance that has a
lower energy content than petrol (at concentrations which aren't
significant anyway).

The second isn't likely, since the whole thrust of modern engine
development is aimed at maximising thermodynamic efficiency, and hence
fuel efficiency (power output for amount of fuel consumed) -- the two
have a direct relationship (ie you can calculate one knowing the
other).

If the addition of a common substance were able to increase the
thermodynamic efficiency of an internal combustion engine without
scientists, engineers and engine designers knowing about it, it'd be
the best kept secret since the invention of the wheel.

Random samples based on individual experiences are about as
unscientific as you can possibly get -- the fact that anyone is
gullible enough to believe otherwise is the reason why charlatans make
money selling fuel saving devices and snake oil treatments that can't
possibly work.

If this one had any hope of working it'd be dead easy to conduct a
controlled experiment to test the claims. There's only one reason why
no one's bothered.

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[Ext User(funkers11)]

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John H
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Thank you for you insightful comments backed by some technical
information. If you say so, then it must be. Notwithstanding the proof
of direct experiences by people in the public of course. A Monaro user
saw 5MPG to 6MPG increase. I recall some expert saying the world was
flat too once.

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funkers11 wrote:
>
>Thank you for you insightful comments backed by some technical
>information. If you say so, then it must be. Notwithstanding the proof
>of direct experiences by people in the public of course. A Monaro user
>saw 5MPG to 6MPG increase. I recall some expert saying the world was
>flat too once.

This one should appeal to you then....
http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/joecell/stevens/comXtexjoe1.htm

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[Ext User(funkers11)]

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John H
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Thank you for your thoughtful contribution. Again, if you say so then
it must be.

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[Ext User(mark jb)]

> Thank you for you insightful comments backed by some technical
> information. If you say so, then it must be. Notwithstanding the proof
> of direct experiences by people in the public of course. A Monaro user
> saw 5MPG to 6MPG increase. I recall some expert saying the world was
> flat too once.

Shall we start listing the products that have no effect and use direct
quotes from happy users to help sales?
We'll only include the ones that have zero scientific proof and absolutely
no attempt to explain the idea apart from "it really works!" and "omg my car
goes twice as far on a tank now!".

-mark

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"funkers11" <funkers11@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> *********
> John H
> *********
> Thank you for you insightful comments backed by some technical
> information. If you say so, then it must be. Notwithstanding the proof
> of direct experiences by people in the public of course. A Monaro user
> saw 5MPG to 6MPG increase. I recall some expert saying the world was
> flat too once.

Except the 'flat earth' idea was simply someone's theory, which came about
by someone's interpretation of what they saw around them, then because this
theory was so widly accepted among the scientific community, many thought it
to be fact, despite it's total lack of scientific proof. A bit like the
theory of evolution today..

Unlike the flat earth, or evolution, the case of acetone in fuel can be
proved or disproved by scientific processes, and that proof does not come
from 'a personal users experience'. it comes from testing under controlled
conditions. I can produce more than a 5 or 6 MPG difference in my fuel
economy by the way I drive, if I was brave enought to admit I had tried some
snake oil product, I can guarantee I would drive like grandma for the next
few weeks to 'prove' it made a difference.. But unfortuantly my results
would be far from Proof..

But if would like to try it.. go ahead, if it gives you good results..
great.. if it doesn't, I just hope you are brave enough to admit it.

Greg.

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"mark jb" <nukeleer at internode dot on dot net> wrote:

>> Thank you for you insightful comments backed by some technical
>> information. If you say so, then it must be. Notwithstanding the proof
>> of direct experiences by people in the public of course. A Monaro user
>> saw 5MPG to 6MPG increase. I recall some expert saying the world was
>> flat too once.
>
>Shall we start listing the products that have no effect and use direct
>quotes from happy users to help sales?
>We'll only include the ones that have zero scientific proof and absolutely
>no attempt to explain the idea apart from "it really works!" and "omg my car
>goes twice as far on a tank now!".

A list of 'experts' who ever thought the world was flat would be a lot
smaller! The Greeks knew it was round 2500 years ago. The Egyptian
Eratosthene calculated it's diameter 2200 years ago.

And still there are those who would believe anything! :)

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[Ext User(athol)]

In aus.cars John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote:

> A list of 'experts' who ever thought the world was flat would be a lot
> smaller! The Greeks knew it was round 2500 years ago. The Egyptian
> Eratosthene calculated it's diameter 2200 years ago.

Apparently there is a "flat earth society" in the USA... I initially
thought that they were taking the piss but apparently not.

> And still there are those who would believe anything! :)

Yes, like cretinism err creationism for example. :-)

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athol wrote:

>In aus.cars John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A list of 'experts' who ever thought the world was flat would be a lot
>> smaller! The Greeks knew it was round 2500 years ago. The Egyptian
>> Eratosthene calculated it's diameter 2200 years ago.
>
>Apparently there is a "flat earth society" in the USA... I initially
>thought that they were taking the piss but apparently not.

It's actually a philosphical position -- as opposed to a scientific
viewpoint.

>
>> And still there are those who would believe anything! :)
>
>Yes, like cretinism err creationism for example. :-)

The difference between them, who apparently hate each others guts, is
that flat earthers know the difference. :)

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[Ext User(funkers11)]

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John H, athol and markjb
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Firstly, thank you for your suggestions and experiences. Very valuable
indeed. Always great to have lively and open discussion on topics to
the benefit of our fellow members in the community.

FOG#1:

Proof is in the direct experiences by people in the public of course. A
Monaro user saw 5MPG to 6MPG increase.No snakeoil required, only
acetone at the VERY dilute level of 0.234%.

2.34ml acetone per 1 litres fuel. Consider this as an extra 1.7c per
litre on your fuel costs, saving you anywhere between 12-46 cents per
litre in fuel economy improvement. Good return on investment?
Absolutely!

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On 3 Oct 2005 00:09:34 -0700, "funkers11" <funkers11@yahoo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>Proof is in the direct experiences by people in the public of course. A
>Monaro user saw 5MPG to 6MPG increase.No snakeoil required, only
>acetone at the VERY dilute level of 0.234%.

How did he work out MPG, fit a new speedo and decant his petrol from
old milk bottles?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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"funkers11" <funkers11@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

> FOG#1:

Fog: Shit you can't see through :)

> Proof is in the direct experiences by people in the public of course. A
> Monaro user saw 5MPG to 6MPG increase.No snakeoil required, only
> acetone at the VERY dilute level of 0.234%.

Can you tell me the Monaro owner who worked his economy improvememtns out in
miles per gallon?

> 2.34ml acetone per 1 litres fuel. Consider this as an extra 1.7c per
> litre on your fuel costs, saving you anywhere between 12-46 cents per
> litre in fuel economy improvement. Good return on investment?
> Absolutely!

Go out and try it and get back to us with the results.

Of course, we expect them to be okay'd by an institution of impeccable
qualifications.

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