Still waiting for a small RWD Australian Car

[Ext User(stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au)]

http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.cars/browse_frm/thread/78bc210b7884a3f9?page=end&q=colbourne&hl=en&


A couple of years ago we were discussing the requirement for a small
RWD car to be made locally. I bet the majors wish they had come up with
something as they must be hurting now with the demand for large cars
plummeting.
May be Mitsubushi could release a RWD version of the Lancer with some
help from the EVO which must have at least part of system worked out.
Currently there are no cheap RWD cars and if you want it to be light
with good performance, you have to pay something around $60K.
Fuel is only going to get more expensive over the years, so surely the
large car companies can look ahead and give us what we are really
after.
AWD always seems to consume more power than RWD and Australians have
shown a preference for RWD for the handling and impoved towing ability.

[Ext User(Dan---)]

stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au wrote:

> http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.cars/browse_frm/thread/78bc210b7884a3f9?page=end&q=colbourne&hl=en&
>
>
> A couple of years ago we were discussing the requirement for a small
> RWD car to be made locally. I bet the majors wish they had come up with
> something as they must be hurting now with the demand for large cars
> plummeting.
> May be Mitsubushi could release a RWD version of the Lancer with some
> help from the EVO which must have at least part of system worked out.
> Currently there are no cheap RWD cars and if you want it to be light
> with good performance, you have to pay something around $60K.
> Fuel is only going to get more expensive over the years, so surely the
> large car companies can look ahead and give us what we are really
> after.
> AWD always seems to consume more power than RWD and Australians have
> shown a preference for RWD for the handling and impoved towing ability.
>

I seriously doubt Mitsu would make a RWD Lancer christ they are not
going to make an AWD 380. Closest thing to a new small RWD car is the
BMW 1 series.

--
Regards
Dan.
V8 owner and will always be.
:-p

[Ext User(DalienX)]

stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au wrote:

> http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.cars/browse_frm/thread/78bc210b7
> 884a3f9?page=end&q=colbourne&hl=en&
>
>
> A couple of years ago we were discussing the requirement for a small
> RWD car to be made locally. I bet the majors wish they had come up
> with something as they must be hurting now with the demand for large
> cars plummeting.
> May be Mitsubushi could release a RWD version of the Lancer with some
> help from the EVO which must have at least part of system worked out.
> Currently there are no cheap RWD cars and if you want it to be light
> with good performance, you have to pay something around $60K.
> Fuel is only going to get more expensive over the years, so surely the
> large car companies can look ahead and give us what we are really
> after.
> AWD always seems to consume more power than RWD and Australians have
> shown a preference for RWD for the handling and impoved towing
> ability.

Holden should make a rear wheel drive astra.

[Ext User(Serialpest)]

stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au wrote:
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.cars/browse_frm/thread/78bc210b7884a3f9?page=end&q=colbourne&hl=en&
>
>
> A couple of years ago we were discussing the requirement for a small
> RWD car to be made locally. I bet the majors wish they had come up with
> something as they must be hurting now with the demand for large cars
> plummeting.
> May be Mitsubushi could release a RWD version of the Lancer with some
> help from the EVO which must have at least part of system worked out.
> Currently there are no cheap RWD cars and if you want it to be light
> with good performance, you have to pay something around $60K.
> Fuel is only going to get more expensive over the years, so surely the
> large car companies can look ahead and give us what we are really
> after.
> AWD always seems to consume more power than RWD and Australians have
> shown a preference for RWD for the handling and impoved towing ability.
>

In what way does RWD handle better? Ever driven a falcon wagon in the rain?

[Ext User(crazy ron bakir)]

On 1 Oct 2005 21:02:31 -0700, stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au wrote:


>A couple of years ago we were discussing the requirement for a small
>RWD car to be made locally. I bet the majors wish they had come up with
>something as they must be hurting now with the demand for large cars
>plummeting.

no business case would stand up. the large RWD car is unique because
no one else makes them. cheap aussie fuel has driven the demand for
it.

it would be suicide for an aussie car maker to go head to head with
small japanese and european car makers with a small car. our companies
are as good as any other but they cannot compete with the economies of
scale of overseas manufacturers.

--

managing director and CEO
crazy ron's mobile phones
gold coast, qld.

[Ext User(Blackbird)]

"Serialpest" <380@mitsubishi.com.au> wrote in message
news:433f6413@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au wrote:
> >
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.cars/browse_frm/thread/78bc210b7884a3f9?page=end&q=colbourne&hl=en&
> >
> >
> > A couple of years ago we were discussing the requirement for a small
> > RWD car to be made locally. I bet the majors wish they had come up with
> > something as they must be hurting now with the demand for large cars
> > plummeting.
> > May be Mitsubushi could release a RWD version of the Lancer with some
> > help from the EVO which must have at least part of system worked out.
> > Currently there are no cheap RWD cars and if you want it to be light
> > with good performance, you have to pay something around $60K.
> > Fuel is only going to get more expensive over the years, so surely the
> > large car companies can look ahead and give us what we are really
> > after.
> > AWD always seems to consume more power than RWD and Australians have
> > shown a preference for RWD for the handling and impoved towing ability.
> >
>
> In what way does RWD handle better? Ever driven a falcon wagon in the
rain?

If i recall, the last time you drove a rwd commodore, you wet yourself and
ended up naked on the floor?

If you need to ask why rwd is better, maybe you should stick with the fwd.

[Ext User(Dan---)]

Blackbird wrote:

> If you need to ask why rwd is better, maybe you should stick with the fwd.

How convenient pesty did not post about the
EVO VIII Lancer recall.

Date: 30/09/2005

Supplier Name: Mitsubishi Motors Australia Ltd

Recall Coverage: National

Product Make: Mitsubishi

Product Model: Lancer EVO VIII

Target Number: 95

Model Years From:

Consequences:

Campaign Number: Recall 010026

VIN Range: Between JMASNCT9A5U000265 and JMANSNCT9A5U000362

Serial Range:

Product Info: CZ Model manafactured in February 2005

Defect Details: The turbocharger coolant hose was manafactured from a
material that is not considered durable in this location. In the worst
case the hose may deteriorate to the point of allowing a coolant leak
onto the exhaust manifold.

Consumer action: Contact your local Mitsubishi dealer.

Market Coverage: National

Recall Coverage: National


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responsibility for monitoring the conduct and outcomes of motor vehicle
safety recalls in Australia.





--
Regards
Dan.

[Ext User(OzOne)]

Massive recall, 95 cars in all .
And for a coolant leak onto a manifold?

Hell Jaguar would be run off their feet if they recalled for every
fluid leak.

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:27:15 +1000, Dan--- <farq@spam.com> scribbled
thusly:

>Blackbird wrote:
>
>> If you need to ask why rwd is better, maybe you should stick with the fwd.
>
>How convenient pesty did not post about the
>EVO VIII Lancer recall.
>
>Date: 30/09/2005
>
>Supplier Name: Mitsubishi Motors Australia Ltd
>
>Recall Coverage: National
>
>Product Make: Mitsubishi
>
>Product Model: Lancer EVO VIII
>
>Target Number: 95
>
>Model Years From:
>
>Consequences:
>
>Campaign Number: Recall 010026
>
>VIN Range: Between JMASNCT9A5U000265 and JMANSNCT9A5U000362
>
>Serial Range:
>
>Product Info: CZ Model manafactured in February 2005
>
>Defect Details: The turbocharger coolant hose was manafactured from a
>material that is not considered durable in this location. In the worst
>case the hose may deteriorate to the point of allowing a coolant leak
>onto the exhaust manifold.
>
>Consumer action: Contact your local Mitsubishi dealer.
>
>Market Coverage: National
>
>Recall Coverage: National
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>The following link will open in a new window and take you out of the
>Product Recalls Australia site.
>
>The Department of Transport and Regional Services has overall policy
>responsibility for monitoring the conduct and outcomes of motor vehicle
>safety recalls in Australia.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Blackbird)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:brvuj152c4qomb9927rnk4jujebblouv36@4ax.com...
>
> Massive recall, 95 cars in all .
> And for a coolant leak onto a manifold?
>
> Hell Jaguar would be run off their feet if they recalled for every
> fluid leak.
>
If you only sell 95, you can only recall 95. :-)

[Ext User(DalienX)]

Dan--- wrote:


>
> Defect Details: The turbocharger coolant hose was manafactured from
> a material that is not considered durable in this location. In the
> worst case the hose may deteriorate to the point of allowing a
> coolant leak onto the exhaust manifold.
>


That is not the worst case i can imagine, how about all the coolant
leaking out overnight and causing the turbo to over heat and destroy
itself when the car is started in the morning...

[Ext User(Noddy)]

<stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au> wrote in message

> AWD always seems to consume more power than RWD and Australians have
> shown a preference for RWD for the handling and impoved towing ability.

Don't hold your breath waiting for it to become a reality.

FWD offers some pretty important advantages to car builders, such as:

It's cheaper. No tailshaft, diff housing or associated parts.
It allows for larger interiors by way of a flatter firewall and smaller
floor hump.
It allows manufacturers to get away with lose driveline tolerances without
it being noticed anywhere near as much as what they would with a
conventional RWD configuration.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 07:08:07 GMT, "Blackbird" <Blackbird@net.com>
scribbled thusly:

>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:brvuj152c4qomb9927rnk4jujebblouv36@4ax.com...
>>
>> Massive recall, 95 cars in all .
>> And for a coolant leak onto a manifold?
>>
>> Hell Jaguar would be run off their feet if they recalled for every
>> fluid leak.
>>
>If you only sell 95, you can only recall 95. :-)
>

Yep, that's correct, Evo VIII comes into Oz in batches of 100
vehicles.
Can you guess what happens to the other 5 taht aren't being recalled?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 07:11:25 GMT, "DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com>
scribbled thusly:

>Dan--- wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Defect Details: The turbocharger coolant hose was manafactured from
>> a material that is not considered durable in this location. In the
>> worst case the hose may deteriorate to the point of allowing a
>> coolant leak onto the exhaust manifold.
>>
>
>
>That is not the worst case i can imagine, how about all the coolant
>leaking out overnight and causing the turbo to over heat and destroy
>itself when the car is started in the morning...

Only if you're stupid enough to first ignore th low coolant level
alarm, then the coolant temp alarm, then manage to overide the auto
shutdown that I think is still on that Evo.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Blackbird)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:th2vj1hnvvutvp6aqtd0518n5ov33s6uha@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 07:11:25 GMT, "DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com>
> scribbled thusly:
>
> >Dan--- wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Defect Details: The turbocharger coolant hose was manafactured from
> >> a material that is not considered durable in this location. In the
> >> worst case the hose may deteriorate to the point of allowing a
> >> coolant leak onto the exhaust manifold.
> >>
> >
> >
> >That is not the worst case i can imagine, how about all the coolant
> >leaking out overnight and causing the turbo to over heat and destroy
> >itself when the car is started in the morning...
>
> Only if you're STUPID enough to first ignore th low coolant level
> alarm, then the coolant temp alarm, then manage to overide the auto
> shutdown that I think is still on that Evo.
>
We're talking about Mitsubishi owners aren't we?

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 07:28:52 GMT, "Blackbird" <Blackbird@net.com>
scribbled thusly:

>> Only if you're STUPID enough to first ignore th low coolant level
>> alarm, then the coolant temp alarm, then manage to overide the auto
>> shutdown that I think is still on that Evo.
>>
>We're talking about Mitsubishi owners aren't we?
>
Yep, $62,000 Mitsubishis.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Blackbird)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:0d3vj11chqi0toorg4nvrn1jd020dpc5p0@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 07:28:52 GMT, "Blackbird" <Blackbird@net.com>
> scribbled thusly:
>
> >> Only if you're STUPID enough to first ignore th low coolant level
> >> alarm, then the coolant temp alarm, then manage to overide the auto
> >> shutdown that I think is still on that Evo.
> >>
> >We're talking about Mitsubishi owners aren't we?
> >
> Yep, $62,000 Mitsubishis.
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

$2.50 Owners.

[Ext User(Serialpest)]

Blackbird wrote:
> "Serialpest" <380@mitsubishi.com.au> wrote in message
> news:433f6413@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>>stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au wrote:
>>
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.cars/browse_frm/thread/78bc210b7884a3f9?page=end&q=colbourne&hl=en&
>
>>>
>>>A couple of years ago we were discussing the requirement for a small
>>>RWD car to be made locally. I bet the majors wish they had come up with
>>>something as they must be hurting now with the demand for large cars
>>>plummeting.
>>>May be Mitsubushi could release a RWD version of the Lancer with some
>>>help from the EVO which must have at least part of system worked out.
>>>Currently there are no cheap RWD cars and if you want it to be light
>>>with good performance, you have to pay something around $60K.
>>>Fuel is only going to get more expensive over the years, so surely the
>>>large car companies can look ahead and give us what we are really
>>>after.
>>>AWD always seems to consume more power than RWD and Australians have
>>>shown a preference for RWD for the handling and impoved towing ability.
>>>
>>
>>In what way does RWD handle better? Ever driven a falcon wagon in the
>
> rain?
>
> If i recall, the last time you drove a rwd commodore, you wet yourself and
> ended up naked on the floor?
>
> If you need to ask why rwd is better, maybe you should stick with the fwd.
>
>

Yeah i'd rather the superior handling FWD offers.

[Ext User(DalienX)]

OzOne wrote:


>
> Only if you're stupid enough to first ignore th low coolant level
> alarm, then the coolant temp alarm, then manage to overide the auto
> shutdown that I think is still on that Evo.
>

Blondes driver lancers.
Need i say more?

[Ext User(stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au)]

But if the local manufacturers do not start making smaller cars either
FWD or RWD they are doomed.

There are many manufacturers offering cheap FWD (which I do accept have
their advantages in many cases) but few offering RWD (BMW and Mercedes
can hardly be classed as cheap).
I think Hyundai is going to listen to my advice and release some RWD
cars and although I would prefer to buy Australian, these might end up
as my next car if there is no Australian solution.

[Ext User(Uncle Bully)]

<stephen.colbourne@comsuper.gov.au> wrote in message
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> http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.cars/browse_frm/thread/78bc210b7884a3f9?page=end&q=colbourne&hl=en&
>
>
> A couple of years ago we were discussing the requirement for a small
> RWD car to be made locally. I bet the majors wish they had come up with
> something as they must be hurting now with the demand for large cars
> plummeting.

Don't think so.


> May be Mitsubushi could release a RWD version of the Lancer with some
> help from the EVO which must have at least part of system worked out.
> Currently there are no cheap RWD cars and if you want it to be light
> with good performance, you have to pay something around $60K.

And?

> Fuel is only going to get more expensive over the years, so surely the
> large car companies can look ahead and give us what we are really
> after.

Car companies are looking for what will sell. Why would anyone pay more for
a car that performs pretty much the same except it can do doughnuts?


> AWD always seems to consume more power than RWD and Australians have
> shown a preference for RWD for the handling and impoved towing ability.

Erm, 'small' and 'towing' don't really mix.