How to copy multiple programs from HDD to DVD ?

[gordon_s1942]

LiteON LVW 5045.
I want to place 5 X 1 hour programs (up to 6 hours) onto the HDD by any methord.
Then I want to transfer them (after edit etc) to a single DVD with their single title thumbnails to be played individually as selected.
I have just put 2 x 1 hour programs from VHS to DVD by seting the DVD for 2 hours then playing the tape while recording.
At the end of each 1 hour tape, I stopped recording, set up next tape and played and recorded.
Works perfectly but slow as you must watch your time.
I did this on a NEC non HDD DVD burner as well.
I have done 'Copy' from HDD to DVD but only for a single program, I cannot see in the manual how to do multiple transfers from the HDD to DVD.
6 hours is the max a DVD can hold so that time cannot be exceed.
This was the main idea behind getting a HDD/DVD burner to be able to record and copy multiple programs without having to use a VCR in the mix.
I was wondering if to do this I would first set the disc time or capacity (6 hours),then go to HHD,select wanted program and 'Copy'?
is this possible, the only way, one at a time or is there an alternative?
As usual, all information will be gratefully received.

[termite]

Hopefully in you menu you have ''create playlist".Select the titles from the HD and place them in the playlist screen in the order you wish them to burn to dvd.The recorder should automatically choose the best speed{up to 6hrs}.Or when recording to the HD do not stop, put in pause,but this will not give you individual titles just one long title but it will transfer to dvd.
Thats how it's done with a Panasonic.

[gordon_s1942]

termite, thanks for that but so far I havent seen that option available with the LiteOn but thats not to say it isnt there.
To avoid that one title bit, I would do as I am doing now and do each program seperately which defeats the whole idea totaly.

[jokiin]

If you want to add multiple titles to a DVD you can simply enter the browser menu, highlight the first program you want on the disc and hit the record button, once it has finished do the same procedure, highlight the next program you want and hit record, and so on. Just make sure to have the recorder set to a suitable recording mode that fits the amount of material you want on a disc, once you are all done you can finalise as per normal.

[gordon_s1942]

jok11n,
As usual your info is precise and informative.
Similiar to doing as I did to the NEC without the VCR involved.
I guess I was expecting a million dollar editing ability on fresh air money.
I was hoping that there may have been a 'Select to copy' ability.
One thing tho with editing I hope you can clear up for me is what happens to the parts of the program that have been 'hidden'?
I ask this because when I was having that copy problem last week, I recorded to a DVD+RW and when I played it back in the computer, the whole program was there on the disc.
Basically, if I recorded a 90 minute program on the HDD, edit by 'Hiding' 10 minutes, what goes to the DVD, the now 80 minute edited program or the whole 90 minutes with that 10 minutes 'hidden'?
If the 'hidden' sections are ignored, great but if not, wouldnt that affect how much program material (time/volume/amount) could be recorded to the DVD?

There is a second part to this question which I cant ask untill I learn about the 'hidden' bits.
Thanks

[jokiin]

I'll need to try this as described before I can give you an answer, I'm in China at the moment so it will need to wait until I get back home in front of my machine.

[gordon_s1942]

China??? I knew you said you were away relating to your job but China?
I will more than happily sit here and wait untill you have returned and have time to get your breath back.

IF your job takes you to these companies who make HDD burners like LiteOn etc, can you ask why cant they be more flexible in their operations like a VCR?
Why cant in HDD mode I just press record and it records untill the HDD is full like tape does?
why the time limit on the Time Shift?
By all means leave the current OTR 30 minute steps and the timer as they are.
Have the 'ONCE ONLY' timer program self reset once the recording is done.
To write the manuals for those who dont know what those who make these units know, ie Operating this for Dummies.
For each procedure have a clear start and END !!!
The fractured literal translations for the operating manuals has almost disapeared but still needs to continue to make instructions clearer.

JOK11n, I am NOT asking you for answers or reply, these are just questions I would ask if the opportunity presented itself for me to ask the manufacturers.

[jokiin]

Yes, work does take me to China, it also gives me the opportunity to talk about the things that you mention, I have met with the director of consumer electronics at LiteOn twice in the last 2 weeks and amongst other things some of the things that you have mentioned were discussed, you may see some progress towards what you have suggested in the not too distant future, I was asked to go to Taiwan and sit with their engineers to go through the improvements required but timing was not on my side on this trip, perhaps another time, in the mean time there will be some email correspondence going back and forth. By the way, pressing record will just record until the disc is full, it sounds as though you are suffering the double click that some users have reported, the remote can be a bit over zealous at times, one click on the record button starts a recording with no pre defined stop point, a second click takes it to OTR mode of 30 minutes, susequent clicks of the record button add 30 minutes of record time with each press, sounds as though you are getting two clicks for the price of one:eek: I most likely never experience this more from circumstance than anything else, my recorder is actually behind me but out of laziness I guess I still point the remote at the TV and bounce the signal off the TV which seems to reduce the effectiveness of the remote which seems to have the side effect of not doing the double click.

[termite]

RW's regain disc space only when the last event is deleated.All other deleats remain hidden and disc space is not increased.The positive to this is undo/redo feature.
HD edits do regain disc space, if you edited out 10 min of the HD this will not dub over to the dvd disc.
In some cases disc space is not increased until the unit is powered up again.

[gordon_s1942]

Jok11n,
Damn, I bet there are times when you must feel as though you just passed yourself going somewhere else.
The remote is definately super sensative as I have had it flip back to from say Browser menu to the screen as well as some other instant returns when I have selected something to the point of now being very carefull to see what is displayed before I press the remote to continue.
I have never had any other devise react as the LiteOn does.
I havent tried the press and record as you have explained, I just didnt see it as an option in the manual. If it is there, then its my error for missing it or misreading the manual.
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Termite, if the hidden chapters are then copied over to the DVD, then that must mean that there is a subsequent loss of available space on the DVD for further material and that must be taken into account during recording.
I hope I have made it clear with this query that this isnt to do with the HDD space but purely the DVD.

[termite]

ok,I have never observed this dilemma but the way I see it if you were dubbing in real time the playback RW would skip the hidden parts and the recording disc would only record what it was given.So the newly recorded disc would have less disc space taken up as compared to the original edited RW disc.

[gordon_s1942]

Termite, thanks for that info.
I was actually looking to record to the HDD from VCR/TV or whatever,edit out what I dont want then copy/burn to a DVD.
What I wasnt sure about was what was actually copied after finding the edited material had been copied from the HDD to a DVD RW when played back via a computer.
I had just had 3 DVD copy failures, they wouldnt play back in another player or the computer and so I tried to copy from the HDD to a DVD RW because I didnt want to waste another DVD thinking that if it too didnt work, I could always erase it and start again.
But the DVD RW did run ok and thats when I saw on the computer that all the original program had been copied from the HDD to the DVD.
This got me thinking that if this 'hidden' material was copied from the HDD to a DVD R, would I have to make allowances for that time/volume when adding further material to that disc, ie, multi recording?

I am sorry if I am not be writting this in a clearer manner for you to follow.
I am flat out trying to make sense of all of this myself.

[termite]

Real time dubbing ie 1x speed from HD to dvd,the edited parts(hidden) should not be seen in playback and thus will not record over.
had a hard day myself see if it's clearer tomorrow......

[gordon_s1942]

Termite, thanks and have a good one, it always looks better in the morning. !! !!

[termite]

Nothing changed,again the edited parts on the HD should of been deleted and not hidden,the only thing I can think of is that they did not delate.I would play the program on the HD and see if those parts are still there.

[gordon_s1942]

Termite,
I cant see how the HDD would erase any section that you have chosen to 'hide' because you can re-open the hidden sections/chapters and reinstate them to be played.
Also I havent seen any such option to selectively 'Erase' any of the recorded program except in that section where the word 'Erase' is used, I took that to only apply when you were emptying/formatting the whole disc or the whole prgram.
As a DVD holds some 4.7 GB capacity, my thoughts were that if you wish to store anything, singly or a multiple recording, this maxaimum must be kept in mind.
But what volume measure do you use? the 'whole' unedited program or the edited program?
This is why I am being very carefull with the words, 'Hidden' and 'Erase'.
So far as the LiteOn is concerned, they are NOT interchangable and each has its own specific meaning.
The easy inference and the most simple general idea is that only the section/chapters that are NOT 'hidden' should be copied from the HDD to the DVD.
But is that the way its done?
Talk about stirring up a tempest here. :(

[termite]

Hmm never seen a hidden option for HD apologies for misunderstanding.
(Panasonic,Samsung,Draco, & Pioneer) are HD recorders I use which all give a partial delete or full delete,.Hidden is a good idea as it allows an undo/redo,but if you don't want something deleting it is the way to go.Surely the lite-on allows an edit of (partial) delete.
And if it does.Delete those sections and they will not dub over.
Draco Avio recorder does not completly remove deleted scenes while you are working on a project so as you can undo stuff you may want to keep but once you turn the unit off and back on those deleted scenes are gone for good.:rolling:

[gordon_s1942]

Termite, different machines, different terminologies, different applications.
As far as I am aware with the LiteOn, the so called 'Hidden' sections never disapear from the HDD no matter weather its left on or turned off unless you do an 'erase' to remove the whole recorded program unlike the Draco you mention.
The NEC non HDD version uses the term 'Hidden' when you are editing the DVD before 'Finalising'.
In the NEC's case, obviously what is recorded to the DVD remains on the DVD as it is the prime recording device in use but 'hidden' during playback.
The technique and terminolgy between the LiteoN and NEC are very similar but obviously this doesnt apply to other makes which makes seeking explanations or details from others near impossible unless they too have the same unit.
Even the damned editing program on the computer has a different way of doing things that I still havent made heads nor tail of.

[termite]

This has me interested,am downloading the manual.What i have seen so far there is a erase, split and merge function in title editing.How that works out ?

[termite]

:rolling: How bizarre No partial edit.But if you use the split title at the start point you wish to erase (2 titles now).Now split the title at the end point to be erased(3 titles now)Erase title 2 and merge 1 & 3 do the same through out the program you are editing.It's got to be simpler than that but thats the only way I see it for this unit,,.It's a pity in it's edit for erase there isn't an option to erase Hidden.
all the best on this one gordon,maybe jok11n can clear things up.
:rolleyes: No big saving in buying this unit its editing functions are hum bug and most dissapointing the CD-R/RW audio recording has no digital input very primitive...