Change Imei number

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

John <sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> wrote
> ctr001@hotmail.com wrote

>> plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.

> Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal to do this?

Basically because it allows stolen phones to be used.

> Who told the government to make it illegal?

No one, the govts decided to do it.

[Ext User(two bob)]

>> plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.
>
>
>
>
> Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal
> to do this?

So crims like you cant duplicate legitimate phones for illegal use.


>
> Who told the government to make it illegal?

Who told the government to make crime illegal??

[Ext User(Bullet)]

"a" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:4355adfa$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

> As to the rest of you guys and the crap you carry on with flaming each
> other etc..... oh, please !

Agreed.Some people grow up.Most here have only got older.
Bullet

[Ext User(two bob)]

>
>> As to the rest of you guys and the crap you carry on with flaming each
>> other etc..... oh, please !
>
> Agreed.Some people grow up.Most here have only got older.
> Bullet

If you feel you are in an old (and experienced) home, then fuck off

[Ext User(Bullet)]

"two bob" <4> wrote in message news:43561582@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> >
> If you feel you are in an old (and experienced) home, then fuck off
>

Practise what you preach ,fucktard.

[Ext User(ctr001@hotmail.com)]

John wrote:
> ctr001@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.
>
>
>
>
> Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal
> to do this?
>
To prevent stolen phones being rebirthed a new phones with a different
IMEI. It is also illegal to posess the tools/SW for changing IMEIs.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

ctr001@hotmail.com wrote
> John wrote
>> ctr001@hotmail.com wrote

>>> plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.

>> Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal to do this?

> To prevent stolen phones being rebirthed a new phones with a different IMEI.

> It is also illegal to posess the tools/SW for changing IMEIs.

Bet you cant actually provide a cite supporting that particular claim.

[Ext User(John)]

ctr001@hotmail.com wrote:

> John wrote:
> > ctr001@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal
> > to do this?
> >
> To prevent stolen phones being rebirthed a new phones with a different
> IMEI. It is also illegal to posess the tools/SW for changing IMEIs.




So keeping the IMEI untouched isn't linked to
tracking individual handsets and their owners?

[Ext User(John)]

two bob wrote:

> >> plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal
> > to do this?
>
> So crims like you cant duplicate legitimate phones for illegal use.



Very quick to label people aren't we?

I OWN 4 different kinds of mobile phone why would
I even bother playing with IMEI numbers?

[Unkit]

Wow, wonder why I didn't get an email about the new posts. Just wanna make a point: Changing your imei number has NOT always been illegal. (It is now, but has not always been). My question was supposed to be for people who may have tried changing their imei number perhaps BEFORE it was made illegal.

In any event, there are other ways it is not necessary to change the Imei number of a phone to use it on a network. Other ways work far better, and are not illegal, and won't land you in jail for a few years. Besides, by the time a phone gets used, then stolen, then you muck around with the imei number, you would spend a lot more in terms of time, than simply BUYING a second hand phone.

I will ask my question once again. A super sim emulates a compliance 1 sim card. If you have two phones on simultaneously, both can make calls, but only the one to dial out last will receive. Is there ANY way, for example changing the imei number, that would allow two phones to receive calls simultaneously.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Unkit <Unkit.1x77t4@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote:

> Wow, wonder why I didn't get an email about the new posts.
> Just wanna make a point: Changing your imei number has NOT
> always been illegal. (It is now, but has not always been). My
> question was supposed to be for people who may have tried
> changing their imei number perhaps BEFORE it was made illegal.

SURE it was.

> In any event, there are other ways it is not necessary to change the
> Imei number of a phone to use it on a network. Other ways work far
> better, and are not illegal, and won't land you in jail for a few years.

Pathetic, really.

> Besides, by the time a phone gets used, then stolen, then you muck
> around with the imei number, you would spend a lot more in terms
> of time, than simply BUYING a second hand phone.

Pathetic, really.

> I will ask my question once again.

You can ask it till you go blue in the face if
you like, changes absolutely nothing at all.

> A super sim emulates a compliance 1 sim card. If you
> have two phones on simultaneously, both can make calls,
> but only the one to dial out last will receive. Is there ANY
> way, for example changing the imei number, that would
> allow two phones to receive calls simultaneously.

Nope. Because even with the same IEMI, the system
will STILL decide that its getting weird propagation
effects when the two handsets show up on different
bases, and even on the one base, it will get seriously
confused by the response from both handsets, stupid.

[Ext User(ctr001@hotmail.com)]

How much you want to bet rod??? Nahh - to easy.

http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au/piweb/Repository/Legis/Bills/Linked/04080400.pdf

The below sections of the "Crimes Legislation Amendment
(Telecommunications Offences and Other Measures) Bill (No. 2) 2004",
which was passed by the senate in September 2004, cover IMEI changing.
Specificaly sections:

474.8 Possession or control of data or a device with intent to modify
32 a telecommunications device identifier

and

474.9 Producing, supplying or obtaining data or a device with intent
2 to modify a telecommunications device identifier

cover changing IMEI/ESN's. Penalty is up to 2 years imprisonment.

SIM cloning is covered by sections:

474.10 Copying subscription-specific secure data

and

474.11 Possession or control of data or a device with intent to copy
an account identifier

and

474.12 Producing, supplying or obtaining data or a device with
intent to copy an account identifier

The OP is up for up to 4 years in the big house.

An brief story on the bill is here:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/0,2000061791,39158034,00.htm

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

ctr001@hotmail.com wrote:
> Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
>> ctr001@hotmail.com wrote

>>> It is also illegal to posess the tools/SW for changing IMEIs.

>> Bet you cant actually provide a cite supporting that particular claim.

> How much you want to bet rod??? Nahh - to easy.

We'll see...

> http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au/piweb/Repository/Legis/Bills/Linked/04080400.pdf

> The below sections of the "Crimes Legislation Amendment
> (Telecommunications Offences and Other Measures) Bill (No. 2) 2004",
> which was passed by the senate in September 2004, cover IMEI changing.
> Specificaly sections:

> 474.8 Possession or control of data or a device with intent
> to modify a telecommunications device identifier

Nothing like your original, you left out the WITH INTENT.

> and

> 474.9 Producing, supplying or obtaining data or a device with
> intent to modify a telecommunications device identifier

Not relevant to your original.

> cover changing IMEI/ESN's. Penalty is up to 2 years imprisonment.

> SIM cloning is covered by sections:

> 474.10 Copying subscription-specific secure data

> and

> 474.11 Possession or control of data or a
> device with intent to copy an account identifier

> and

> 474.12 Producing, supplying or obtaining data
> or a device with intent to copy an account identifier

None of those is relevant to your original.

> The OP is up for up to 4 years in the big house.

> An brief story on the bill is here:
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/0,2000061791,39158034,00.htm

I know what the full story is, you fucked up completely.

[Ext User(two bob)]

> Wow, wonder why I didn't get an email about the new posts. Just wanna
> make a point: Changing your imei number has NOT always been illegal.
> (It is now, but has not always been). My question was supposed to be
> for people who may have tried changing their imei number perhaps BEFORE
> it was made illegal.

As far as I am aware, it has never been legal.

>
> In any event, there are other ways it is not necessary to change the
> Imei number of a phone to use it on a network. Other ways work far
> better, and are not illegal, and won't land you in jail for a few
> years. Besides, by the time a phone gets used, then stolen, then you
> muck around with the imei number, you would spend a lot more in terms
> of time, than simply BUYING a second hand phone.
>
> I will ask my question once again. A super sim emulates a compliance 1
> sim card. If you have two phones on simultaneously, both can make
> calls, but only the one to dial out last will receive. Is there ANY
> way, for example changing the imei number, that would allow two phones
> to receive calls simultaneously.
>
>
> --
> Unkit

[Ext User(two bob)]

>> > plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal
>> to do this?
>>
> To prevent stolen phones being rebirthed a new phones with a different
> IMEI. It is also illegal to posess the tools/SW for changing IMEIs.

The tools are not illegal, just the use of them

[Ext User(will kemp)]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:39:19 -0700, ctr001 wrote:

> How much you want to bet rod??? Nahh - to easy.
>
> http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au/piweb/Repository/Legis/Bills/Linked/04080400.pdf
>
> The below sections of the "Crimes Legislation Amendment
> (Telecommunications Offences and Other Measures) Bill (No. 2) 2004",

There's not much point quoting bills - specially not amendment bills!

Here's a bit from an act:

CRIMINAL CODE ACT 1995
- SECT 474.8 Possession or control of data or a device with intent to modify
a telecommunications device identifier
(1)
A person is guilty of an offence if:

(a) the person has possession or control of any thing or data; and
(b) the person has that possession or control with the intention that the
thing or data be used: (i) by the person; or
(ii) by another person;
in committing an offence against subsection 474.7(1) (modification of a
telecommunications device identifier).

Penalty: Imprisonment for 2 years.


From the definitions:

"telecommunications device identifier" means:

(a) an electronic identifier of a mobile telecommunications device that is:
(i) installed in the device by the manufacturer; and
(ii) is capable of being used to distinguish that particular device from
other mobile telecommunications devices; or (b) any other form of
identifier that is prescribed by the regulations as a telecommunications
device identifier for the purposes of this Part.

Note: Paragraph (a)--For example, GSM mobile phones use an
industry-recognised International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI) number.
This number identifies the particular phone, as compared to the SIM card
number which identifies a particular telecommunications account. Carriers
are able to block service to lost and stolen mobile phones based on their
IMEI numbers.

[Ext User(will kemp)]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:25:31 +1000, Unkit wrote:

> Is there ANY
> way, for example changing the imei number, that would allow two phones
> to receive calls simultaneously.

No. Because that's not how the GSM system was designed. You want a CB
radio!

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

two bob <4> wrote

>> Wow, wonder why I didn't get an email about the new posts. Just wanna make a
>> point: Changing your imei number has NOT always been illegal. (It is now, but
>> has not always been). My question was supposed to be for people who may have
>> tried changing their imei number perhaps BEFORE it was made illegal.

> As far as I am aware, it has never been legal.

You're wrong.

>> In any event, there are other ways it is not necessary to change the
>> Imei number of a phone to use it on a network. Other ways work far
>> better, and are not illegal, and won't land you in jail for a few
>> years. Besides, by the time a phone gets used, then stolen, then you
>> muck around with the imei number, you would spend a lot more in terms
>> of time, than simply BUYING a second hand phone.

>> I will ask my question once again. A super sim emulates a
>> compliance 1 sim card. If you have two phones on simultaneously,
>> both can make calls, but only the one to dial out last will receive.
>> Is there ANY way, for example changing the imei number, that would
>> allow two phones to receive calls simultaneously.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

two bob <4> wrote:

>>>> plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.

>>> Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal to do this?

>> To prevent stolen phones being rebirthed a new phones with a different IMEI.
>> It is also illegal to posess the tools/SW for changing IMEIs.

> The tools are not illegal, just the use of them

That is just plain wrong too.

[Ext User(two bob)]

>
>>>>> plus the fact that changing IMEIs is illegal.
>
>>>> Just for argument's sake but why is it not legal to do this?
>
>>> To prevent stolen phones being rebirthed a new phones with a different
>>> IMEI. It is also illegal to posess the tools/SW for changing IMEIs.
>
>> The tools are not illegal, just the use of them
>
> That is just plain wrong too.

The tools are legal, it's the intent to use them thats illegal.