Re: Blame the faulty drivers of dangerous machinery. 4WDs most dangerouson road

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Dan--- wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:26:54 +1000, D Walford wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ah, now I'm with you:-)
>>I haven't had the misfortune to drive one of those, the 12 tonner Hino
>>with a lazy axle that I drove for about 6mths was bad enough.
>
>
> I have not driven an ACCO for a long time but I remember driving an old
> Acco prime mover which had a IH big block Petrol V8 but I almost always
> cried each time I saw a hill coming up! It sounded great but it was bloody
> gutless and Jesus did it drink!.
>
I've always thought of big trucks with petrol engines as a bit of a joke.
Might be OK for light work and LPG is a lot cheaper than diesel.



Daryl

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Birdman wrote:
>>I think the main reason the boss bought another DAF is its amazing fuel
>>economy, some of the Kenworths use more fuel per day than I do in a week.
>
>
> Depends on driver, what he is towing, and which donk you go for..
> Loved my K100E :)

I wasn't making a fair comparison, my little 310 hp DAF hauls bulk foam
to bedding and furniture companies around Melb.:-)
The K104 Aerodynes have 600hp Cummins hauling B doubles interstate.
The DAF is also a lot cheaper than a Kenworth not that Kenworth make a
cabover suitable for my job to compare with.



Daryl

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Birdman wrote:
> Cant wait until they hold up traffic one night, and some stoned trucky
> on a tight schedule takes them all out!
>
>
>
>>Pushbikes aren't allowed in the Burnley Tunnel. Taking them in there was an
>>illegal act. But the politicians were too pissant to let the cops do their
>>jobs and arrest the wankers.
>
>
Don't need to be stoned to do that.
A woman truck driver who I used to work with took out a Commodore when
changing lanes in the Burnley tunnel, it was a black car and she didn't
see it in the blind spot on her lh front corner, she hit the car and
spun it around then pushed it sideways for about 100mts scaring the shit
out of all concerned:-)


Daryl

[Ext User(D Walford)]

dave wrote:

>
> Stock.. there is stock?
> Anytime you wanna line up a motokhana course?

When I bought mine in about 1971 it still had cross ply tyres, fitting
radials ruined my sideways fun on the way to work:-)
I used to do motorkhana's in the Sprite way back when, I might do OK in
the Hilux if it was on wet dirt and I was allowed to used 4WD:-)



Daryl

[Ext User(dave)]

D Walford wrote:
> dave wrote:
>
>>
>> Stock.. there is stock?
>> Anytime you wanna line up a motokhana course?
>
>
> When I bought mine in about 1971 it still had cross ply tyres, fitting
> radials ruined my sideways fun on the way to work:-)
> I used to do motorkhana's in the Sprite way back when, I might do OK in
> the Hilux if it was on wet dirt and I was allowed to used 4WD:-)
>
>
>
> Daryl

I,m picking that their is a reason I have never seen a Hilux on a
motorkhana. Still I am always happy to watch.

[Ext User(D Walford)]

dave wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
>
>> dave wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stock.. there is stock?
>>> Anytime you wanna line up a motokhana course?
>>
>>
>>
>> When I bought mine in about 1971 it still had cross ply tyres, fitting
>> radials ruined my sideways fun on the way to work:-)
>> I used to do motorkhana's in the Sprite way back when, I might do OK
>> in the Hilux if it was on wet dirt and I was allowed to used 4WD:-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Daryl
>
>
> I,m picking that their is a reason I have never seen a Hilux on a
> motorkhana. Still I am always happy to watch.

Might be their crappy turning circle:-)
A bloke in the car club I was in had a very old Peugot which was an
excellent motorkhana car because it had an amazing turning circle, the
front wheel could be turned at almost 90deg to the body, he could make a
mistake and get away with it turning it like a forklift:-)



Daryl

[Ext User(dave)]

D Walford wrote:
> dave wrote:
>
>> D Walford wrote:
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>>> dave wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stock.. there is stock?
>>>> Anytime you wanna line up a motokhana course?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I bought mine in about 1971 it still had cross ply tyres,
>>> fitting radials ruined my sideways fun on the way to work:-)
>>> I used to do motorkhana's in the Sprite way back when, I might do OK
>>> in the Hilux if it was on wet dirt and I was allowed to used 4WD:-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daryl
>>
>>
>>
>> I,m picking that their is a reason I have never seen a Hilux on a
>> motorkhana. Still I am always happy to watch.
>
>
> Might be their crappy turning circle:-)

you think :)

> A bloke in the car club I was in had a very old Peugot which was an
> excellent motorkhana car because it had an amazing turning circle, the
> front wheel could be turned at almost 90deg to the body, he could make a
> mistake and get away with it turning it like a forklift:-)
>
>
>
> Daryl

Actualy evil exes father who worked for fords test department once told
me that the best car he had ever driven was a peugot a 504 I think .

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
news:4361D7A5.53AF@alphalink.com.au...

> Are they still official factory options? I though they were dropped some
> time back?

Not factory, but you can have them dealer fitted before picking up a new
one.

If I remember correctly, tank shifters were a factory option until some time
in the mid '70's.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Kev)]

Birdman wrote:
>
> I only ever drove 2 DAFs, didnt like em, but then I was coming out of
> a W model Kenworth,

You poor bugger
Kenworth, where you get a sun tan on BOTH arms

I hate them


> and used to the bonnet, and going cabover and wide
> cab was different..

For the work I do, getting in and out of servos is a shit load easier
with a cab over that had good forward visability, ie: a European cabover
and I love lots of room, nothing worse than trying to put stuff in a
tiny cab


Kev

[Ext User(Kev)]

D Walford wrote:
>
> dave wrote:
>
> >
> > Stock.. there is stock?
> > Anytime you wanna line up a motokhana course?
>
> When I bought mine in about 1971 it still had cross ply tyres, fitting
> radials ruined my sideways fun on the way to work:-)


My first car was a John Goss Special 72 TC Cortina
some fool had fitted crossply tyres before I bought it

2V 6 with 2 bbl carb in a light car on crossplies

that was fun
coming up around the top bend on the D'agular range in the wet would
usually see the rear hanging out a bit
used to pull burnouts into 4th gear in the toploader and still be moving
slower than walking pace
and that was on a dry road


$5 each for replacements from the wreckers
untill the day they had none left and I had to go buy some new tyre
so I got some wide radials


Kev

[Ext User(Kev)]

> Yeah, you're right, feck 'em all. That's what aggressive tread patterns are
> for anyway...stops you breaking traction in a dangerous fashion due to
> puddles of viscera.


Nahh they are hopeless for that
gets good grip in the boney bits tho


Kev

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:11:43 GMT, Noddy wrote:

> "John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4361D7A5.53AF@alphalink.com.au...
>
>> Are they still official factory options? I though they were dropped some
>> time back?
>
> Not factory, but you can have them dealer fitted before picking up a new
> one.
>
> If I remember correctly, tank shifters were a factory option until some time
> in the mid '70's.

After which time, it became illegal to use or even display a
prehensile dick in public.

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Kev)]

Noddy wrote:
>
> "Kev" <kevcat@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43609B11.5393F380@optunet.com.au...
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> > for the first 2 klms then you had to stop for more fuel
> > or the first bit of non straight road
>
> Had no problem with corners, but I wasn't stupid enough to assume that just
> because it had two wheels it'd corner like a Nippon Ninja bike.
>
>

Heard a chase once that went from Dayboro up to Mt Mee, this is a very
narrow, twisting and steep bit of road, much favoured by the temp
Australians on pocket rockets. The cop was chasing some bike gang scum
for doing some scum thing, the cop stayed right on the gooses tail until
they got to the top and the road straightened out

the Cop was driving a Jackaroo 4WD wagon with the turbo diesel engine

Corners really arn't their forte


Kev

[Ext User(Plodder)]

"Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote in message
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> > "Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote in message
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<SNIP STUFF THAT MAKESTHIS TOO LONG>
> >>
> >> Funny enough car owners also get defensive when their toys are
> >> questioned.
> >> Seems to support all the hoon articles by your logic.
> >
> > Agreed, but this thread isn't about the hoons, it's about 4WDs not being
> > used for their purpose. As I've stated in other threads, I've owned 4WDs
> > when I've needed them. Now I live in the burbs I can't for the life of
me
> > see why I need a 2 1/2 tonne 'Cruiser to get my shopping home. No
argument
> > with 4WDers using their vehicles off-road, even just occasionally.
> > Defensiveness gets up my nose in general. That includes those who get
> > defensive about their cars, bikes, 4WDs or their choice of dog - I don't
> > care - it's the defensive wall that bugs me.
>
> As opposed to those that don't give a sh%t or encourage you to criticise
> their car, car, bike, 4wd, dog or GF?

Yep to those who don't give a sh!t. At least they are the ones who don't
treat me as something special when I'm on my bike - I'm just a part of the
traffic - and that's how I'd like it to be. As a cyclist I don't want to be
treated any differently from other traffic. It's part of the normalisation
of bikes on the road.

WRT to those who "...encourage you to criticise their car, car, bike, 4wd,
dog or GF?" There we go with the binary thinking again? That's like saying
to a waiter, "This soup's too cold." and the Waiter replying, "I suppose you
want it scalding hot, then?". What's wrong with a balance?

Frank

[Ext User(Plodder)]

"Birdman" <myknickersfu_kew@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >. That's what we do and it works fine.
> here we go again, someone telling other people how to run their
> lives..

Suggesting... you left out the "Why not let..." bit. If you're going to
quote someone it's useful to do it in context. Phhht.... tinkle... "what as
that?" "your credibility flying out the window..."

Besides, when your life impacts on mine I have a right to comment.

We're all paying the price for increased oil demand. Imagine how much that
demand would decrease if people walked or ride to the shop or kids made
their own way to school. That's not to mention the better air quality and
all the other impacts of fossil fuel use. We'd even have enough fossil fuels
left to support all the other aspects of our reliance on fossil fuels for a
great deal longer than currently predicted.

Frank

[Ext User(fasgnadh)]

Resound wrote:
> "Noons" <wizofoz2k@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>>Resound wrote:
....
>
>>>It's still demonstrates a mentality that says "screw you, I'm ok".
>>

Unfortunately that is exactly what some of them think;

>>So what? Oh, you are a charity promoter now? What,
>>you wanna tell me this is not what this society has turned to?
>>Yeah. Right...
>>
>
>
> No, I'm someone who actually recognises the fact that we all live in a
> community, not a series of opportunities for personal gain with no
> responsibilities to anyone else. To suggest that you shouldn't be held
> accountable for your choices and actions would be laughable if it wasn't
> disturbing. You wouldn't (I hope) wander through a crowd holding your elbows
> up at face height and suggest that anyone who happens to walk into your
> elbows should have watched where they were going. No, you keep your hands by
> your sides and look around yourself like everyone else. The sane basic
> obligations apply on the road.
>

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Kev" <kevcat@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Corners really arn't their forte

No, they're not. Neither is flat out speed.

Oddly enough, that's *not* what they're built for....

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Eunometic)]

Resound wrote:
> "Eunometic" <eunometic@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> >
> > Rainbow Warrior wrote:
> >> "TimC" <tconnors@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:slrn-0.9.7.4-135-17383-200510251156-tc@hexane.ssi.swin.edu.au...
> >> > On 2005-10-25, Eunometic (aka Bruce)
> >> > was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> >> >> Ofcourse the people who buy an SUV like my sister wanted the
> >> >> following:
> >> >> 1 Seating for 7: 5 adults and foldout seats for 2 teenagers or small
> >> >> adults in the back.
> >> >
> >> > Minivan.
> >>
> >> A SUV if you use US definition and should be banned.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Funny I've lost count of the number of times I've noticed "safer" "high
> >> performance" "superior handling" vehicles not staying in their own lane,
> >> when your pushing hard through a windy mountain road crossing double
> >> yellow
> >> lines on every corner and there's a slinky suspension 76 Range Rover on
> >> your
> >> tail that is staying on the right side of the road, doesn't it highlight
> >> something?
> >> Many of them can't keep between 2 lines in a parking space, yet I manage
> >> to
> >> fit my oversized Patrol in the same spots just fine.
> >
> > This is just prejudice and nonsense. I've seen idiots in 'pocket
> > rocket' hatch backs (particularly chicks), utes, motorcyles, bicyles,
> > 4WD and AWD, lowered jap fast cars, volvos etc behace anti-socially.
> > Everyone has a pet hate.
> >
> > Your pet hate is 4WD and SUVs because you style yourself as morally
> > superior "green" by denigrating all people who choose such vehicles.
> > Greenies are tragically often simply shallow 'status seekers' as much
> > as anyone. The idea of being morally righteous and arrogant 'holier
> > than thou' is the real driver. I'll admit that there are a few
> > 'arrogant pigs' who choose a 'truck' to bully people around but they
> > are quite rare.
> >
> > As far as I can see the 4WD and AWD is here to stay. Infact it is very
> > likely that future electric and hybrid vehicles will be all wheel drive
> > types since this allows great increases in regenerative braking power.
> > So far the weakness of batteries in accepting regenerative braking has
> > limited this but the development of new batteries based on
> > nanoparticles (by toshiba), maxwell hypercapacitors is about to change
> > matters.
> >
> > BMW has tested a 'electrically supercharged' AWD SUV that uses
> > hypercapacitors and an electric motors to achieve AWD, 15% better fuel
> > efficiency and an enormous increase in low speed acceleration.
> >
> > Individual control of both the acceleration, braking and regeneration
> > of each wheel in concert with electronic stabillity programms is going
> > to be very helpfull as far as safety and handling is concerned.
> >
> > If I thought there was no alternative to both greenhouse and traffic
> > I'd demand that we switch to electric gold buggy vehicles to get around
> > the suburbs and 40km/h.
> >
>
> AWD, particularly on electric vehicles makes enormous sense. There's a
> difference between AWD and offroad though. Something like a Subaru GX sedan
> (baby non-turbo brother to the WRX) makes a lot of sense. A 2½ ton truck
> doesn't. I'm perplexed by proud happy claims that someone has managed to
> make a hybrid SUV which has fuel efficiency figures almost as good as a
> conventional sedan.

BMW used the Chasis of their X5 which in itself is derived from the 5
series. It was simply easier to use an existing AWD vehicle since the
mechanicals were already there.

SUV's provide space (most are 'station waggons') for carrying business
loads and pleasure in say camping trips while they also provide the of
road and snow/ice capabillity to make them sporty.

I'm not sure that they will be any less efficient than a normal car for
the same size and weight. In all likelyhood many future AWD and 4WD
vehicles will have electric motors installed directly in the wheels or
they will have seperate motors for each wheel.


> Put the same tech into a conventional car, get the same
> savings over a far smaller base figure and I'll be much more impressed. It's
> the issues surrounding battery life and disposal that make me question
> hybrids at the moment.

Even present car starter batteries have an effective 100% recyling
rate.

Once they sort those questions, I'll be very
> interested.

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:08:33 GMT, Noddy wrote:

> "Kev" <kevcat@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43623B08.4C92ACF9@optunet.com.au...
>
>> Corners really arn't their forte
>
> No, they're not. Neither is flat out speed.
>
> Oddly enough, that's *not* what they're built for....

Ok - let me guess- it's to bash flat spots onto the heads of drunks
and others transported in the load area of the stupid things.
Probably a legal issue with that, of course, because said pax are
unrestrained.

But it's not all bad news, because it means I can carry passengers in
my van cargo area so long as they are supernumerary to the seat-belt
equipped seats provided.
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:50:22 +1000, D Walford wrote:

>>
>>
>> I have not driven an ACCO for a long time but I remember driving an old
>> Acco prime mover which had a IH big block Petrol V8 but I almost always
>> cried each time I saw a hill coming up! It sounded great but it was bloody
>> gutless and Jesus did it drink!.
>>
> I've always thought of big trucks with petrol engines as a bit of a joke.
> Might be OK for light work and LPG is a lot cheaper than diesel.

Turbo diesel all the way for trucks like that Petrol/LPG no thanks just
they don't have any grunt. Although the one I drove had a front mounted
exhaust system (in front of the front axle) so you could hear every
crackle and pop. :-)

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Regards
Dan