Holden: we dont want you to know

[Ext User(a9x5l)]

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:19:16 +1100, John wrote:

> feral wrote:
>> D Walford wrote:
>>
>>> Ancient history.
>>> NSW HWP had very modified Mini Cooper S's but that was over 30 yrs ago.
>>> My wifes brother worked in spare parts at a BMC dealer and was able to
>>> get a list of the engine mods to the Police mini's, we built his
>>> engine to the same specs, the thing went like a rocket but was a pig
>>> to drive:-)
>>
>> Yep. See Oz's post on subject.
>>
>
> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to 180kW.
> VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be ordered as an
> option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).

I've got an original VN Berlina-BT1, it has a standard memcal.
AFAIK, the only modifications done to my car were..

1. FE2 suspension
2. Speedo (2KMH increments)
3. Sump bash plate
4. Interior light override on dash
5. Brake pads
6. Towing hook point at front of car

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a9x5l

[Ext User(feral)]

John wrote:

> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to 180kW.
> VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be ordered as an
> option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).
>
> XE pursuit falcons had 4 bolt mains 351 blocks, with different cam, carb
> and dizzy. No Power Steer. All were beige brown and will sometimes
> come up for sale in unique cars if the owner knows what it is.

Ta John.
Did the Feds have the same access to this type of goodie?

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Take Care.
Feral

[Ext User(feral)]

OzOne wrote:

> Yeah, now they just park unattended, unmarked cars on the side of the
> road...nothing really changes.

Computers and robotics was suppose to make life easier and better.
:-(

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Take Care.
Feral

[Ext User(D Walford)]

John wrote:
> feral wrote:
>
>> D Walford wrote:
>>
>>> Ancient history.
>>> NSW HWP had very modified Mini Cooper S's but that was over 30 yrs ago.
>>> My wifes brother worked in spare parts at a BMC dealer and was able
>>> to get a list of the engine mods to the Police mini's, we built his
>>> engine to the same specs, the thing went like a rocket but was a pig
>>> to drive:-)
>>
>>
>> Yep. See Oz's post on subject.
>>
>
> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to 180kW.
> VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be ordered as an
> option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).
>
> XE pursuit falcons had 4 bolt mains 351 blocks, with different cam, carb
> and dizzy. No Power Steer. All were beige brown and will sometimes
> come up for sale in unique cars if the owner knows what it is.
>
>

I don't know about the VN but the XE Police pursuit cars had stock engines.
When XE was released I worked for Ford and part of my job was ordering
engines from Geelong, the only engine that was different was the truck
(F100) engine and the only difference was the lack of an egr valve.
If the Police cars had modified engines the mods must have been done
after the cars left the factory which would have voided the warranty.



Daryl

[Ext User(Reaper)]

Over the years some cars were modified. The last being VK's over 20 years
ago. The chasers had the Brockadore motor of the day. They were the only
model that I know were modified.

Reaper


"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:436727ee$0$13320$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> feral wrote:
>> Dan--- wrote:
>>
>>> Nup engines are stock no piggybacks or ECU changes.
>>>
>> Doesn't that seem to be an undesireable asset omission for the pilots
>> concerned?
>>
>> You know this as gospel or heresay Dan?
>>
> Police forces don't usually own their cars, they are leased and are sold
> off after 40,00klms.
> They are covered by the manufacturers warranty so no engine performance
> mods are allowed as they will void the warranty.
> Its a myth that police cars have modified engines.
> AFAIK the only Vic Police car engines that got modified were ones that
> needed rebuilding after a major failure and that only happened when Vic
> Police had their own workshops in Collingwood, the Collingwood Police
> workshop where a mate did his apprenticeship have been closed for many
> years.
>
>
>
> Daryl

[Ext User(Katharine & Paul)]

My Falcon still has the speedo marked out in 2k intervals (as opposed to the
usual 5k). I


<OzOne> wrote in message news:d3bem1tuods85g04cs7snf0o83g876r1tr@4ax.com...
>
> BS!
> IRS?
> LSD?
> Passenger airbag?
> Sump guard?
> Tank guard?
> Special brake pads?
> seats?
>
> I'll grant,
> The maplight is pulled, not sure if they'd bother pulling an accurate
> speedo to put in a 'typical' one
>
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:40:36 GMT, "reg-john" <mcflyyyyyyy@keke.com>
> scribbled thusly:
>
>>most of this is removed prior to sale.
>>
>>
>>"bacco|007" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:4366b999@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:58:53 GMT, Katharine & Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> (and does anyone know what 9c1 pack is, and why that has to be a Holden
>>>> secret?)
>>>
>>> Quick google turned this up:
>>> http://hh.hansenits.com/model/v/vx_commodore_00-.html
>>>
>>> Commodore 9C1 Pack (Police Pack)
>>>
>>> The 9C1 pack contains some of the following: ABS, FE2 Sports Suspension,
>>> IRS, LSD, Driver's Airbag and Passenger's Airbag (SRS), Sump protector
>>> plate and fuel tank protector plate, Door interior light switches
>>> disabled,
>>> map reading light/interior light, special brake pads (front and rear),
>>> certified police speedometer, with light in instrument binnacle over
>>> speedo
>>> (to read speedo no lights on), and can be V6, V8 or HSV V8. With the V8,
>>> the seats have SS embroided on them. The 9C1 pack is added to an
>>> Executive,
>>> but (in Queensland at least) can also be added on to SS with HSV V8 for
>>> pursuit vehicles.
>>>
>>> I believe they also have extra wiring looms as well
>>> --
>>> Knowfirst - http://www.knowfirst.info
>>
>
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Bobby)]

D Walford wrote:
> What does?
> Why would HWP cars need modification, have you drive a 250kw Falcodore,
> they aren't exactly slow, only a handful of cars could out run them and no
> car is faster than a police radio.
> In Nannyland Police aren't allowed high speed pursuits anymore so high
> performance Police cars aren't needed.

SA Police will not be using SS Commodore's anymore and just have 6 cylinders
like WA Pol. But it's a bit odd where Vic still use 8 cylinder's when the
main car's who start pursuits are divisional vans or sedans and then request
a TMU car which sometimes isn't available as most chases occur at night time
hours.

I did hear something about VicPol drilling holes into the fuel tank / hoses
to fit radio boxes in the rear and causing the car's to stall. There have
been a number of the Blue Smart XR8 police cars breaking down and not being
able to be restarted. Also heard (but can't say this is true though) that
those same Blue Police cars had modified camshafts e.t.c from factory.

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Regards
Bobby

[Ext User(John)]

feral wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to
>> 180kW. VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be
>> ordered as an option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).
>>
>> XE pursuit falcons had 4 bolt mains 351 blocks, with different cam,
>> carb and dizzy. No Power Steer. All were beige brown and will
>> sometimes come up for sale in unique cars if the owner knows what it is.
>
> Ta John.
> Did the Feds have the same access to this type of goodie?

Yep - I've got the paper work here somewhere that shows the details of
the mods.

Will chase it up.

[Ext User(John)]

D Walford wrote:
> John wrote:
>> feral wrote:
>>
>>> D Walford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ancient history.
>>>> NSW HWP had very modified Mini Cooper S's but that was over 30 yrs ago.
>>>> My wifes brother worked in spare parts at a BMC dealer and was able
>>>> to get a list of the engine mods to the Police mini's, we built his
>>>> engine to the same specs, the thing went like a rocket but was a pig
>>>> to drive:-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep. See Oz's post on subject.
>>>
>>
>> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to
>> 180kW. VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be
>> ordered as an option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).
>>
>> XE pursuit falcons had 4 bolt mains 351 blocks, with different cam,
>> carb and dizzy. No Power Steer. All were beige brown and will
>> sometimes come up for sale in unique cars if the owner knows what it is.
>>
>>
>
> I don't know about the VN but the XE Police pursuit cars had stock engines.
> When XE was released I worked for Ford and part of my job was ordering
> engines from Geelong, the only engine that was different was the truck
> (F100) engine and the only difference was the lack of an egr valve.
> If the Police cars had modified engines the mods must have been done
> after the cars left the factory which would have voided the warranty.

Agree that they wouldn't have been done post factory. I saw one that
had it's motor pulled down at Bayside Holden (Frankston). Bayside had
about 6 or 7 of them doing the disposal work for that areas cars at the
end of the XE life - fixing up the interiors, plugging the holes in
roofs and a few other bits and pieces. This one definitely had 4 bolt
mains. They were all 4 speed manuals. I remember taking one of the
young sales guys for a drive in one. Stopped on the road near the
service entrance and dropped the clutch with 3000rpm in 1st. The car
just crept smoking sideways across the road before launching. They had
$11-13K on them depending on condition. Last one I saw advertised was
Unique Cars about 2 years ago - which also mentioned the 4 bolt mains motor.

If interested, it might be worth digging up some info from Ford.

[Ext User(John)]

a9x5l wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:19:16 +1100, John wrote:
>
>> feral wrote:
>>> D Walford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ancient history.
>>>> NSW HWP had very modified Mini Cooper S's but that was over 30 yrs ago.
>>>> My wifes brother worked in spare parts at a BMC dealer and was able to
>>>> get a list of the engine mods to the Police mini's, we built his
>>>> engine to the same specs, the thing went like a rocket but was a pig
>>>> to drive:-)
>>> Yep. See Oz's post on subject.
>>>
>> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to 180kW.
>> VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be ordered as an
>> option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).
>
> I've got an original VN Berlina-BT1, it has a standard memcal.
> AFAIK, the only modifications done to my car were..
>
> 1. FE2 suspension
> 2. Speedo (2KMH increments)
> 3. Sump bash plate
> 4. Interior light override on dash
> 5. Brake pads
> 6. Towing hook point at front of car

As mentioned below, I have the full specs floating around somewhere and
will dig them out. 100% sure it included the chip, but will confirm.
From memory, there was a specific code on the chip that identifies it.
Could yours have been swapped out? Does the engine have the extra
knock sensor harness?

[Ext User(a9x5l)]

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:39:31 +1100, John wrote:

> a9x5l wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:19:16 +1100, John wrote:
>>
>>> feral wrote:
>>>> D Walford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ancient history.
>>>>> NSW HWP had very modified Mini Cooper S's but that was over 30 yrs ago.
>>>>> My wifes brother worked in spare parts at a BMC dealer and was able to
>>>>> get a list of the engine mods to the Police mini's, we built his
>>>>> engine to the same specs, the thing went like a rocket but was a pig
>>>>> to drive:-)
>>>> Yep. See Oz's post on subject.
>>>>
>>> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to 180kW.
>>> VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be ordered as an
>>> option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).
>>
>> I've got an original VN Berlina-BT1, it has a standard memcal.
>> AFAIK, the only modifications done to my car were..
>>
>> 1. FE2 suspension
>> 2. Speedo (2KMH increments)
>> 3. Sump bash plate
>> 4. Interior light override on dash
>> 5. Brake pads
>> 6. Towing hook point at front of car
>
> As mentioned below, I have the full specs floating around somewhere and
> will dig them out. 100% sure it included the chip, but will confirm.
> From memory, there was a specific code on the chip that identifies it.
> Could yours have been swapped out? Does the engine have the extra
> knock sensor harness?

These sites list the police memcal from VP onwards and also, as far as
V8's were concerned(VN-VS), knock sensors were only fitted on HSV enhanced
models. I would be interested in seeing your info as it goes against what
I've been able to dig up on these cars so far.

<http://www.geocities.com/memcals/>

<http://www.memcals.com/rcc_info_memcals.html>

This diagram shows the knock sensor and says "HSV models only"...

<http://www.memcals.com/pdf/VN_V8%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf>



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a9x5l

[Ext User(D Walford)]

John wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
>
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> feral wrote:
>>>
>>>> D Walford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ancient history.
>>>>> NSW HWP had very modified Mini Cooper S's but that was over 30 yrs
>>>>> ago.
>>>>> My wifes brother worked in spare parts at a BMC dealer and was able
>>>>> to get a list of the engine mods to the Police mini's, we built his
>>>>> engine to the same specs, the thing went like a rocket but was a
>>>>> pig to drive:-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep. See Oz's post on subject.
>>>>
>>>
>>> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to
>>> 180kW. VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be
>>> ordered as an option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).
>>>
>>> XE pursuit falcons had 4 bolt mains 351 blocks, with different cam,
>>> carb and dizzy. No Power Steer. All were beige brown and will
>>> sometimes come up for sale in unique cars if the owner knows what it is.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about the VN but the XE Police pursuit cars had stock
>> engines.
>> When XE was released I worked for Ford and part of my job was ordering
>> engines from Geelong, the only engine that was different was the truck
>> (F100) engine and the only difference was the lack of an egr valve.
>> If the Police cars had modified engines the mods must have been done
>> after the cars left the factory which would have voided the warranty.
>
>
> Agree that they wouldn't have been done post factory. I saw one that
> had it's motor pulled down at Bayside Holden (Frankston). Bayside had
> about 6 or 7 of them doing the disposal work for that areas cars at the
> end of the XE life - fixing up the interiors, plugging the holes in
> roofs and a few other bits and pieces. This one definitely had 4 bolt
> mains. They were all 4 speed manuals. I remember taking one of the
> young sales guys for a drive in one. Stopped on the road near the
> service entrance and dropped the clutch with 3000rpm in 1st. The car
> just crept smoking sideways across the road before launching. They had
> $11-13K on them depending on condition. Last one I saw advertised was
> Unique Cars about 2 years ago - which also mentioned the 4 bolt mains
> motor.
>
> If interested, it might be worth digging up some info from Ford.

What you need is the "sido" number from the id plate, it tells you the
cars full build data.
Ford Customer Service used to give out the info if you had that number,
don't know if they still do it.



Daryl

[Ext User(John)]

a9x5l wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:39:31 +1100, John wrote:
>
>> a9x5l wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:19:16 +1100, John wrote:
>>>
>>>> feral wrote:
>>>>> D Walford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ancient history.
>>>>>> NSW HWP had very modified Mini Cooper S's but that was over 30 yrs ago.
>>>>>> My wifes brother worked in spare parts at a BMC dealer and was able to
>>>>>> get a list of the engine mods to the Police mini's, we built his
>>>>>> engine to the same specs, the thing went like a rocket but was a pig
>>>>>> to drive:-)
>>>>> Yep. See Oz's post on subject.
>>>>>
>>>> VN BT1 cars had the 'HSV/Holden' chip that took them from 165 to 180kW.
>>>> VP to 185kW. This was standard on BT1 and could also be ordered as an
>>>> option on other non-HSV cars (eg SS, Calais etc.).
>>> I've got an original VN Berlina-BT1, it has a standard memcal.
>>> AFAIK, the only modifications done to my car were..
>>>
>>> 1. FE2 suspension
>>> 2. Speedo (2KMH increments)
>>> 3. Sump bash plate
>>> 4. Interior light override on dash
>>> 5. Brake pads
>>> 6. Towing hook point at front of car
>> As mentioned below, I have the full specs floating around somewhere and
>> will dig them out. 100% sure it included the chip, but will confirm.
>> From memory, there was a specific code on the chip that identifies it.
>> Could yours have been swapped out? Does the engine have the extra
>> knock sensor harness?
>
> These sites list the police memcal from VP onwards and also, as far as
> V8's were concerned(VN-VS), knock sensors were only fitted on HSV enhanced
> models. I would be interested in seeing your info as it goes against what
> I've been able to dig up on these cars so far.
>
> <http://www.geocities.com/memcals/>
>
> <http://www.memcals.com/rcc_info_memcals.html>
>
> This diagram shows the knock sensor and says "HSV models only"...
>
> <http://www.memcals.com/pdf/VN_V8%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf>

That's an excellent site with good info. Good to see this sort of info
is being kept alive!

My VN had the chip and harness. The harness was for any car that used
the HSV chip - including the police cars. Be interested to see if yours
has one.

Still looking for the paperwork.... :-)

[Ext User(Kev)]

My XE had 2kph increments but it was not an ex Police car

Basically it was a GL with with S-Pack specs(dash, wheels, seats,
suspension) just no stripes
even had the S-Pack front bumper/spoiler

one owner from Griffith NSW, was bought from a Ford Dealer in Canberra
in August 84

Kev


Katharine & Paul wrote:
>
> My Falcon still has the speedo marked out in 2k intervals (as opposed to the
> usual 5k). I
>
> <OzOne> wrote in message news:d3bem1tuods85g04cs7snf0o83g876r1tr@4ax.com...
> >
> > BS!
> > IRS?
> > LSD?
> > Passenger airbag?
> > Sump guard?
> > Tank guard?
> > Special brake pads?
> > seats?
> >
> > I'll grant,
> > The maplight is pulled, not sure if they'd bother pulling an accurate
> > speedo to put in a 'typical' one
> >
> > On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:40:36 GMT, "reg-john" <mcflyyyyyyy@keke.com>
> > scribbled thusly:
> >
> >>most of this is removed prior to sale.
> >>
> >>
> >>"bacco|007" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>news:4366b999@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> >>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:58:53 GMT, Katharine & Paul wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> (and does anyone know what 9c1 pack is, and why that has to be a Holden
> >>>> secret?)
> >>>
> >>> Quick google turned this up:
> >>> http://hh.hansenits.com/model/v/vx_commodore_00-.html
> >>>
> >>> Commodore 9C1 Pack (Police Pack)
> >>>
> >>> The 9C1 pack contains some of the following: ABS, FE2 Sports Suspension,
> >>> IRS, LSD, Driver's Airbag and Passenger's Airbag (SRS), Sump protector
> >>> plate and fuel tank protector plate, Door interior light switches
> >>> disabled,
> >>> map reading light/interior light, special brake pads (front and rear),
> >>> certified police speedometer, with light in instrument binnacle over
> >>> speedo
> >>> (to read speedo no lights on), and can be V6, V8 or HSV V8. With the V8,
> >>> the seats have SS embroided on them. The 9C1 pack is added to an
> >>> Executive,
> >>> but (in Queensland at least) can also be added on to SS with HSV V8 for
> >>> pursuit vehicles.
> >>>
> >>> I believe they also have extra wiring looms as well
> >>> --
> >>> Knowfirst - http://www.knowfirst.info
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oz1...of the 3 twins.
> >
> > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.