" Drive TV " : Prius Hybrid -v- Golf TDI 1000km test

[Ext User(mf1@project1221.com)]

Did you watch it on Saturday arvo TV? : http://tinyurl.com/cbe4x

They took the manufacturers marketing dept. propaganda claims of 1000km
per tank of fuel, and challenged it, by driving in the real-world
situation, Melbourne to Shitney via Wagga

I was thinking on the country fuel cycle the Golf was going to kill the
Prius, as the Diesel by nature is superior in lean-burn situation of
low constant RPM in top gear, cruising along

They swapped drivers and took turns leading the way so slipstreaming
was eliminated.

Well the similar priced Prius, hit the Golf ball for six, as the Golf
was cutting out and ran out of fuel @ Bathurst, while the better built
and engineered Prius being the technology tour-de-force it is was still
keen to keep running on and won the comparison.

THE most amazing thing is the Prius only has a 45L fuel tank -v- the
Golfs 55L so although 10L smaller capacity fuel tank it hit the Golf
with the 5 iron good and proper in the guts.In the city the electric
assist motor in the Prius will use less again as it can just put along
on batteries [Panasonic Brand] with the std. ULP gasoline engine having
a rest&sleep..

Well done Toyota, job done and won all this WITHOUT having to touch the
greasy fuel bowser or ground of that stinking oily shit fuel at the
back with the trucks....

I still would interested in a dual fuel LPG Prius though.

[Ext User(Poxy)]

mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.> wrote:
> Did you watch it on Saturday arvo TV? : http://tinyurl.com/cbe4x
>
> They took the manufacturers marketing dept. propaganda claims of
> 1000km per tank of fuel, and challenged it, by driving in the
> real-world situation, Melbourne to Shitney via Wagga
>
> I was thinking on the country fuel cycle the Golf was going to kill
> the Prius, as the Diesel by nature is superior in lean-burn situation
> of low constant RPM in top gear, cruising along
>
> They swapped drivers and took turns leading the way so slipstreaming
> was eliminated.
>
> Well the similar priced Prius, hit the Golf ball for six, as the Golf
> was cutting out and ran out of fuel @ Bathurst, while the better built
> and engineered Prius being the technology tour-de-force it is was
> still keen to keep running on and won the comparison.

I didn't see the episode, but did they factor in the energy required to
charge the Prius' battery before they started out? I guess that doesn't
make the 1000km per tank claim any less true, but since the battery is like
another fuel tank, it's probably unfair to compare it in terms of
fuel/energy consumption.

[Ext User(mf1@project1221.com)]

<<< charge the Prius' battery

Errrr, no, the battery is charged by driving with the gasoline engine
and also when braking.

You CANNOT charge it by plugging it into the power socket, GM tried one
of those, it failed

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

Dan--- <noemail@here.com> writes:
>mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.> wrote:

>> Well done Toyota, job done and won all this WITHOUT having to touch the
>> greasy fuel bowser or ground of that stinking oily shit fuel at the
>> back with the trucks....

>Yeah I watched it too but then again Daniel Mcphearson admited he
>is a lead foot i'd take the VW Golf because it looks great but the
>Prius is an interesting beast as well. But the Golf would be my
>pick so I can run it on biodiesel and wouldn't have to worry about
>the bowser. :-p

I'm flabbergasted. I routinely get over 860km out of a tankful of
suburban/crusing mix in my 2.0 TDI before the low tank alert pings -
after which I get to drive at least another 80km. 5.8 l/100km is
about the worst tank average I've had in 5000km.

Cruising on the open road I'd expect to get around 5.2 l/100km
which on 55 litres gives over 1000km.
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nix8860 wrote:
> VW claims 1000km per tank with the Manual 1.9 TDI, and have never claimed it
> for the 2.0TDI DSG
>
> They used a 2.0TDI DSG Sportline..

They used this model as it was the equal/closest cost to the Prius


which they admitted to driving it lead
> footed

The Prius was driven down the same road at the same time, so one would
have to say they where both driven in the same lead foot manner
otherwise they would be running into each other.

and being journilists they probably drove it like a petrol car when
> it should be driven like a diesel car.

They drive both like a normal joe would drive it, no special way to
tweak the results

>
> That was an awful segment, they didnt even indicate how far the journey was
> and how much fuel they had to put in the golf or the prius - i think that is
> just marketing propaganda.

You are right, how much further did the Prius go?How much more mileage
would the Prius go if it ran on PULP?

They stated it was 1100 km.

They filled both up to max. so the Prius had 45L of ULP [does NOT
require PULP] and the Golf 55L if they where both filled to capacity

>
>
> I have a 2.0TDI manual - and average 920-950KM's before im required to fill
> up in my daily commute thats with 20 + cold starts and peak hour traffic on
> a long constant trip i could anticipate even better results.

Long distance per tank is great, lower cost per tank full is better :-)

I thought you could get these modern breeds of Diesels down to under
4L/100km or less or is that just that LUPO3L?


>
> im baffled at how they acheived such poor results in the diesel and how
> little information they put in that segment to even make it a viable
> comparision.


Well in their minds the Prius won,but yeah nothing like a proper lab
test done properly

CHEERS

>
> "mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.>" <auscars@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1131331731.925348.178280@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > Did you watch it on Saturday arvo TV? : http://tinyurl.com/cbe4x
> >
> > They took the manufacturers marketing dept. propaganda claims of 1000km
> > per tank of fuel, and challenged it, by driving in the real-world
> > situation, Melbourne to Shitney via Wagga
> >
> > I was thinking on the country fuel cycle the Golf was going to kill the
> > Prius, as the Diesel by nature is superior in lean-burn situation of
> > low constant RPM in top gear, cruising along
> >
> > They swapped drivers and took turns leading the way so slipstreaming
> > was eliminated.
> >
> > Well the similar priced Prius, hit the Golf ball for six, as the Golf
> > was cutting out and ran out of fuel @ Bathurst, while the better built
> > and engineered Prius being the technology tour-de-force it is was still
> > keen to keep running on and won the comparison.
> >
> > THE most amazing thing is the Prius only has a 45L fuel tank -v- the
> > Golfs 55L so although 10L smaller capacity fuel tank it hit the Golf
> > with the 5 iron good and proper in the guts.In the city the electric
> > assist motor in the Prius will use less again as it can just put along
> > on batteries [Panasonic Brand] with the std. ULP gasoline engine having
> > a rest&sleep..
> >
> > Well done Toyota, job done and won all this WITHOUT having to touch the
> > greasy fuel bowser or ground of that stinking oily shit fuel at the
> > back with the trucks....
> >
> > I still would interested in a dual fuel LPG Prius though.
> >

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.>" <auscars@yahoo.com> writes:

><<< charge the Prius' battery

>Errrr, no, the battery is charged by driving with the gasoline engine
>and also when braking.

>You CANNOT charge it by plugging it into the power socket, GM tried one
>of those, it failed

So they discharged the battery fully before filling the tank?
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"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Dan--- <noemail@here.com> writes:
>>mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.> wrote:
>
>>> Well done Toyota, job done and won all this WITHOUT having to touch the
>>> greasy fuel bowser or ground of that stinking oily shit fuel at the
>>> back with the trucks....
>
>>Yeah I watched it too but then again Daniel Mcphearson admited he
>>is a lead foot i'd take the VW Golf because it looks great but the
>>Prius is an interesting beast as well. But the Golf would be my
>>pick so I can run it on biodiesel and wouldn't have to worry about
>>the bowser. :-p
>
> I'm flabbergasted. I routinely get over 860km out of a tankful of
> suburban/crusing mix in my 2.0 TDI before the low tank alert pings -
> after which I get to drive at least another 80km. 5.8 l/100km is
> about the worst tank average I've had in 5000km.
>
> Cruising on the open road I'd expect to get around 5.2 l/100km
> which on 55 litres gives over 1000km.

Do you know about the pedal to the right of the brake? ; )

Fraser

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.>" <auscars@yahoo.com> writes:
>nix8860 wrote:
>> VW claims 1000km per tank with the Manual 1.9 TDI, and have never claimed it
>> for the 2.0TDI DSG

>> They used a 2.0TDI DSG Sportline..

>They used this model as it was the equal/closest cost to the Prius

Which defeats trying to answer the question of "why are we here".

The object was to determine if one could drive 1000 km on a tankful.
The price difference between a 2.0 TDI Sportline DSG and 1.9 TDI
Trendline is almost $10,000.

People who want to save money on a car will happily forego the
Wankline trim and DSG if it saves the $10,000; although they may be
persuaded to come up with $2,000 for Comfortline trim if the
Trendline isn't to their liking; and then another $500 for the
sports suspension. If they feel the need for speed, they can plug in
a tuning unit for about $1600, that gives them perhaps more power
than the stock 2.0 TDI.

>> which they admitted to driving it lead
>> footed

>The Prius was driven down the same road at the same time, so one would
>have to say they where both driven in the same lead foot manner
>otherwise they would be running into each other.

Nope. Different cars have different efficiency characteristics. And
that means that acceleration, cornering, etc. will differ.

>>and being journilists they probably drove it like a petrol car when
>> it should be driven like a diesel car.

>They drive both like a normal joe would drive it, no special way to
>tweak the results

They drove it like the average dick. Major fuel savings in Australia
could be realized if people actually drove to conserve fuel. And
that doesn't necessarily mean driving slowly.

>> That was an awful segment, they didnt even indicate how far the
>> journey was and how much fuel they had to put in the golf or the
>> prius - i think that is just marketing propaganda.

>You are right, how much further did the Prius go?How much more mileage
>would the Prius go if it ran on PULP?

>They stated it was 1100 km.

>They filled both up to max. so the Prius had 45L of ULP [does NOT
>require PULP] and the Golf 55L if they where both filled to capacity

>> I have a 2.0TDI manual - and average 920-950KM's before im required to fill
>> up in my daily commute thats with 20 + cold starts and peak hour traffic on
>> a long constant trip i could anticipate even better results.

>Long distance per tank is great, lower cost per tank full is better :-)

>I thought you could get these modern breeds of Diesels down to under
>4L/100km or less or is that just that LUPO3L?

The Lupo 3L will use well over 10 l/100km if driven "appropriately".

The Golf V 1.9 TDI will easily go further than 1000 km when driven
appropriately. Ask Gerd Plattner who drove one for 1160km (average
consumption of 4.4 l/100km) through 10 countries in 15 hours, on
urban roads as slow as 30 km/h and on motorways at speeds of
120km/h, to get into the Guiness Book of Records.
http://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/medias_publish/ms/content/en/pressemitteilungen/2005/03/07/golf_drives_into_the.standard.gid-oeffentlichkeit.html

Similar fuel consumption was achieved on a test track with the 2.0 TDI.
http://www.mobilityandsustainability.com/buster/buster.asp?i=_content/aktuelles_20990.asp

Herr Plattner previously exercised a VW Polo TDI to achieve a fuel
consumption of 3.95 l/100km on a 3129 km marathon drive through
Europe; to see how far he could go on 100 Euro's worth of fuel. He
would have gone a bit further had he not resorted to using the
aircondition; which cost about 0.5 l/100km when cruising.

http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=de-de&FC2=&FC3=/de-de/html/iwgen/news_and_library/press_releases/2003/2003_rekordfahrt_polo_tdi_1508_1000.html

>> im baffled at how they acheived such poor results in the diesel and how
>> little information they put in that segment to even make it a viable
>> comparision.

>Well in their minds the Prius won,but yeah nothing like a proper lab
>test done properly

Mythbusters would have done a better job; and that's saying
something.
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"mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.>" <auscars@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> <<< charge the Prius' battery
>
> Errrr, no, the battery is charged by driving with the gasoline engine
> and also when braking.
>
> You CANNOT charge it by plugging it into the power socket, GM tried one
> of those, it failed

Who mentioned a power socket?

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>
> nix8860 wrote:
>> VW claims 1000km per tank with the Manual 1.9 TDI, and have never claimed
>> it
>> for the 2.0TDI DSG
>>
>> They used a 2.0TDI DSG Sportline..
>
> They used this model as it was the equal/closest cost to the Prius
>
>
> which they admitted to driving it lead
>> footed
>
> The Prius was driven down the same road at the same time, so one would
> have to say they where both driven in the same lead foot manner
> otherwise they would be running into each other.
>
> and being journilists they probably drove it like a petrol car when
>> it should be driven like a diesel car.
>
> They drive both like a normal joe would drive it, no special way to
> tweak the results
>
>>
>> That was an awful segment, they didnt even indicate how far the journey
>> was
>> and how much fuel they had to put in the golf or the prius - i think that
>> is
>> just marketing propaganda.
>
> You are right, how much further did the Prius go?How much more mileage
> would the Prius go if it ran on PULP?
>
> They stated it was 1100 km.
>
> They filled both up to max. so the Prius had 45L of ULP [does NOT
> require PULP] and the Golf 55L if they where both filled to capacity
>
>>
>>
>> I have a 2.0TDI manual - and average 920-950KM's before im required to
>> fill
>> up in my daily commute thats with 20 + cold starts and peak hour traffic
>> on
>> a long constant trip i could anticipate even better results.
>
> Long distance per tank is great, lower cost per tank full is better :-)
>
> I thought you could get these modern breeds of Diesels down to under
> 4L/100km or less or is that just that LUPO3L?
>
>
>>
>> im baffled at how they acheived such poor results in the diesel and how
>> little information they put in that segment to even make it a viable
>> comparision.
>
>
> Well in their minds the Prius won,but yeah nothing like a proper lab
> test done properly

What the fuck would you know about a "proper lab test done properly" you
loser. You the silly prick promoting this advertorial....

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:
>"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> Dan--- <noemail@here.com> writes:

>>>Yeah I watched it too but then again Daniel Mcphearson admited he
>>>is a lead foot i'd take the VW Golf because it looks great but the
>>>Prius is an interesting beast as well. But the Golf would be my
>>>pick so I can run it on biodiesel and wouldn't have to worry about
>>>the bowser. :-p

>> I'm flabbergasted. I routinely get over 860km out of a tankful of
>> suburban/crusing mix in my 2.0 TDI before the low tank alert pings -
>> after which I get to drive at least another 80km. 5.8 l/100km is
>> about the worst tank average I've had in 5000km.

>> Cruising on the open road I'd expect to get around 5.2 l/100km
>> which on 55 litres gives over 1000km.

>Do you know about the pedal to the right of the brake? ; )

Yes. I use it almost all the time when I'm driving.

Are you aware of a thing called a "speed limit"?
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[Ext User(D Walford)]

nix8860 wrote:
> VW claims 1000km per tank with the Manual 1.9 TDI, and have never claimed it
> for the 2.0TDI DSG
>
> They used a 2.0TDI DSG Sportline.. which they admitted to driving it lead
> footed and being journilists they probably drove it like a petrol car when
> it should be driven like a diesel car.
>
> That was an awful segment, they didnt even indicate how far the journey was
> and how much fuel they had to put in the golf or the prius - i think that is
> just marketing propaganda.
>
>
> I have a 2.0TDI manual - and average 920-950KM's before im required to fill
> up in my daily commute thats with 20 + cold starts and peak hour traffic on
> a long constant trip i could anticipate even better results.
>
Im my experience diesels will use a lot less fuel in daily commute
driving than on long trips.
I've owned 2 diesel vehicles (a E2200 Mazda van and a BJ40 Landcruiser)
and both used more fuel on long trips than in the city.
The Prius's city fuel consumption is more revelvant as thats what its
designed for.


Daryl

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:
>>"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> Dan--- <noemail@here.com> writes:
>
>>>>Yeah I watched it too but then again Daniel Mcphearson admited he
>>>>is a lead foot i'd take the VW Golf because it looks great but the
>>>>Prius is an interesting beast as well. But the Golf would be my
>>>>pick so I can run it on biodiesel and wouldn't have to worry about
>>>>the bowser. :-p
>
>>> I'm flabbergasted. I routinely get over 860km out of a tankful of
>>> suburban/crusing mix in my 2.0 TDI before the low tank alert pings -
>>> after which I get to drive at least another 80km. 5.8 l/100km is
>>> about the worst tank average I've had in 5000km.
>
>>> Cruising on the open road I'd expect to get around 5.2 l/100km
>>> which on 55 litres gives over 1000km.
>
>>Do you know about the pedal to the right of the brake? ; )
>
> Yes. I use it almost all the time when I'm driving.
>
> Are you aware of a thing called a "speed limit"?

Not really. Judging by the drawer full of fines.

Fraser

[Ext User(crazy ron bakir)]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:44:09 +0800, Bernd Felsche
<bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:

>I'm flabbergasted. I routinely get over 860km out of a tankful of
>suburban/crusing mix in my 2.0 TDI before the low tank alert pings -
>after which I get to drive at least another 80km. 5.8 l/100km is
>about the worst tank average I've had in 5000km.
>
>Cruising on the open road I'd expect to get around 5.2 l/100km
>which on 55 litres gives over 1000km.

with the greatest of respect bernd, i don't consider you a wholly
impartial witness when it comes to Veedubs

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[Ext User(Adam F)]

"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> "mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.>" <auscars@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>><<< charge the Prius' battery
>
>>Errrr, no, the battery is charged by driving with the gasoline engine
>>and also when braking.
>
>>You CANNOT charge it by plugging it into the power socket, GM tried one
>>of those, it failed
>
> So they discharged the battery fully before filling the tank?
> --


Does it use the battery during highway running anyway?


//Adam F

[Ext User(crazy ron bakir)]

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:42:49 +1100, "Adam F"
<asfletchDAMNEDSPAM@uts.edu.au> wrote:

>>
>>>Errrr, no, the battery is charged by driving with the gasoline engine
>>>and also when braking.
>>
>>>You CANNOT charge it by plugging it into the power socket, GM tried one
>>>of those, it failed
>>
>> So they discharged the battery fully before filling the tank?

>
>Does it use the battery during highway running anyway?
>

i can't remember all the details but no i don't think so.

the objective is to use battery power in situations where the petrol
engine is inefficient. particularly stop-start driving when idling
wastes fuel.

but on the highway the petrol engine is the optimal power source.

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[Ext User(Patrick Young)]

Dan--- wrote:
> mf1@project1221.com<PonziSchemeDivs.> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well done Toyota, job done and won all this WITHOUT having to touch the
>> greasy fuel bowser or ground of that stinking oily shit fuel at the
>> back with the trucks....
>
> Yeah I watched it too but then again Daniel Mcphearson admited he is a
> lead foot i'd take the VW Golf because it looks great but the Prius is
> an interesting beast as well. But the Golf would be my pick so I can run
> it on biodiesel and wouldn't have to worry about the bowser. :-p

Yep :-)

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[Ext User(Patrick Young)]

D Walford wrote:

> Im my experience diesels will use a lot less fuel in daily commute
> driving than on long trips.

True.

> I've owned 2 diesel vehicles (a E2200 Mazda van and a BJ40 Landcruiser)
> and both used more fuel on long trips than in the city.

Depends on gearing, tyre size and speed.

> The Prius's city fuel consumption is more revelvant as thats what its
> designed for.

For a diesel, filtered veggie oil gets consumed quicker and needs mixed
with petrodiesel. Power output is not quite the same, possible to
balance it out in a turbo diesel though.

--

Well, hopefully, that's our job... to strap rockets onto everything!
Adam Savage, Mythbusters.

--------------------------------------------
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BP 106 Timbuktu,
Mali (West Africa)
Tel: 292 91 52
Specialising in turbo diesel and R290 aircon
--------------------------------------------

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

crazy ron bakir <support@myphoneshop.com> writes:
><bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:

>>I'm flabbergasted. I routinely get over 860km out of a tankful of
>>suburban/crusing mix in my 2.0 TDI before the low tank alert pings -
>>after which I get to drive at least another 80km. 5.8 l/100km is
>>about the worst tank average I've had in 5000km.

>>Cruising on the open road I'd expect to get around 5.2 l/100km
>>which on 55 litres gives over 1000km.

>with the greatest of respect bernd, i don't consider you a wholly
>impartial witness when it comes to Veedubs

Why not? I have *nothing* to gain from telling fibs.
And what makes you think that I'm not one of Volkswagen's harshest
critics?

According to European Standards (which are essentially the same as
the Australian), the highway fuel consumption is between 4.6 and 4.8
l/100km, depending on equipment.

My estimate is almost 10% *higher* than the upper limit on the
performance spec.. I really won't be able to tell until I have a
chance to do a long trip substantially on highways.

ATM; Perth is grid-locked between interminable roadworks; which
means that I seldom get to slot the car into top gear on the
freeway.
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[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> writes:

>D Walford wrote:

>> Im my experience diesels will use a lot less fuel in daily commute
>> driving than on long trips.

>True.

Depends on engine output and how severe the start-stop urban cycle.

>> I've owned 2 diesel vehicles (a E2200 Mazda van and a BJ40 Landcruiser)
>> and both used more fuel on long trips than in the city.

>Depends on gearing, tyre size and speed.

>> The Prius's city fuel consumption is more revelvant as thats what its
>> designed for.

>For a diesel, filtered veggie oil gets consumed quicker and needs mixed
>with petrodiesel. Power output is not quite the same, possible to
>balance it out in a turbo diesel though.

If the biodiesel meets ENxyzzy, then the blend with fossil fuel
isn't needed for a modern diesel except in very cold weather.

My 2.0 TDI never wanted to use the glow-plug all through July and
August; coldest months around here.
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