Nokia GSM/CDMA phones

[Ext User(Dogfart)]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, at 11:11:40 [GMT GMT] (22:11:40 Friday, 11 November
2005 where I live) "Michael" wrote:

> Its a worldwide calling technology, not a Telstra solution

> Think bigger, Will.

> Handset manufacturers dont design phones just for Telstra

This one looks interesting http://tinyurl.com/7m23x

[Ext User(will kemp)]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:35:16 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote
>> Michael wrote
>
>>> No, you just havent thought about it.
>>> It redirects from CDMA to GSM, because the GSM is the common
>>> denominator for the roaming overseas.
>>> All calls appear to originate from the GSM service even when calling
>>> from the CDMA service.
>>> The exception is CDMA MO SMS
>>>
>>> This product is NOT designed to give better coverage in Australia,
>>> the purpose is for easier roaming.
>>
>> Ok, well that does make a certain amount of sense, i suppose. But it
>> would be considerably smarter if you could choose which way it worked
>
> Sure, but that might well be harder to implement.
>
>> - then it might make sense having a dual phone,
>> as only a tiny minority of users roam overseas.
>
> Its clearly only aimed at a subset of their customers, stupid.
>
> The number who need CDMA for decent rural coverage
> and need GSM for the best capital city performance and
> who find that GSM for out of the country handy isnt trivial.

I agree. But the way Telstra's got it set up it's useless for that. You
will get only CDMA wherever you are - unless there happens to be GSM
coverage, but no CDMA coverage at all, which isn't exactly a common
scenario, is it?

[Ext User(Michael)]

"will kemp" <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:10:10 +0000, Michael wrote:
>
> > No, you just havent thought about it.
> > It redirects from CDMA to GSM, because the GSM is the common denominator
for
> > the roaming overseas.
> > All calls appear to originate from the GSM service even when calling
from
> > the CDMA service.
> > The exception is CDMA MO SMS
> >
> > This product is NOT designed to give better coverage in Australia, the
> > purpose is for easier roaming.
>
> Ok, well that does make a certain amount of sense, i suppose. But it would
> be considerably smarter if you could choose which way it worked - then it
> might make sense having a dual phone, as only a tiny minority of users
> roam overseas.

In terms of the technology available, you cant do this (in the network).
Possibly in the future.

Basically its Call Selector/Call Director technology

[Ext User(Michael)]

"will kemp" <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:35:16 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>
> > will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote
> >> Michael wrote
> >
> >>> No, you just havent thought about it.
> >>> It redirects from CDMA to GSM, because the GSM is the common
> >>> denominator for the roaming overseas.
> >>> All calls appear to originate from the GSM service even when calling
> >>> from the CDMA service.
> >>> The exception is CDMA MO SMS
> >>>
> >>> This product is NOT designed to give better coverage in Australia,
> >>> the purpose is for easier roaming.
> >>
> >> Ok, well that does make a certain amount of sense, i suppose. But it
> >> would be considerably smarter if you could choose which way it worked
> >
> > Sure, but that might well be harder to implement.
> >
> >> - then it might make sense having a dual phone,
> >> as only a tiny minority of users roam overseas.
> >
> > Its clearly only aimed at a subset of their customers, stupid.
> >
> > The number who need CDMA for decent rural coverage
> > and need GSM for the best capital city performance and
> > who find that GSM for out of the country handy isnt trivial.
>
> I agree. But the way Telstra's got it set up it's useless for that. You
> will get only CDMA wherever you are - unless there happens to be GSM
> coverage, but no CDMA coverage at all, which isn't exactly a common
> scenario, is it?

So why are you worried then? YOu are always going to have CDMA, or nothing.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote
>>> Michael wrote

>>>> No, you just havent thought about it.
>>>> It redirects from CDMA to GSM, because the GSM is the common
>>>> denominator for the roaming overseas.
>>>> All calls appear to originate from the GSM service even when
>>>> calling from the CDMA service.
>>>> The exception is CDMA MO SMS

>>>> This product is NOT designed to give better coverage
>>>> in Australia, the purpose is for easier roaming.

>>> Ok, well that does make a certain amount of sense, i suppose. But it
>>> would be considerably smarter if you could choose which way it worked

>> Sure, but that might well be harder to implement.

>>> - then it might make sense having a dual phone,
>>> as only a tiny minority of users roam overseas.

>> Its clearly only aimed at a subset of their customers, stupid.

>> The number who need CDMA for decent rural coverage
>> and need GSM for the best capital city performance and
>> who find that GSM for out of the country handy isnt trivial.

> I agree.

Have you no sense of common decency and decorum what so ever ?

> But the way Telstra's got it set up it's useless for that.

Nope.

> You will get only CDMA wherever you are - unless there
> happens to be GSM coverage, but no CDMA coverage at all,

Wanna try that in english ?

> which isn't exactly a common scenario, is it?

Doesnt matter if its common or not. What matters
is whether there is a market for where that happens.

There is.

[Ext User(Rob Speed)]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote:
>> Rob Speed wrote
>
> That wasnt, me, just that fuckwit again.

FINE, I'll change it. Any suggestions smarty pants????

>>>> The new technology automatically directs voice calls from the CDMA
>>>> to GSM service where the CDMA service is busy, switched off, out
>>>> of range or unanswered. Where the GSM service is unavailable,
>>>> calls to the GSM service will be diverted to a shared Telstra
>>>> MessageBank.
>>>>
>>>> They've got their logic back to front there! It diverts to GSM when
>>>> CDMA is out of range (and then to messagebank if GSM is out of
>>>> range). That's smart! How often is that going to be the case? It
>>>> would make much more sense to start on GSM and then divert to CDMA
>>>> if GSM was out of range and then go to messagebank. Bloody typical!
>>>
>>> Assuming CDMA has "better coverage" it means that most of the time a
>>> call will go straight through, as opposed to the A party hearing
>>> silence for 8 seconds while the system tries to locate the phone via
>>> GSM then via CDMA.
>
>> Yeah, i guess that's true. However, in my experience, the main issues
>> with CDMA in an area where you've got GSM coverage are that the
>> "quality" of the GSM coverage is often superior to the CDMA coverage
>> - that certainly seems to be true in cities to some extent - and that
>> GSM has more useful features than CDMA, so many people would rather
>> use it if it's available. I certainly would.
>
>> But with this sytem it's hardly ever likely to use GSM -
>> as there's hardly anywhere (nowhere???) where there's
>> GSM coverage but not some level of CDMA coverage
>
> That is just plain wrong with coverage in the capital citys.
>
> There's plenty of places with good GSM coverage and fuck all
> CDMA coverage, particularly inside buildings and train tunnels etc.
>
>> - which makes having the GSM part completely superfluous and just
>> extra weight to carry round that you're never going to be able to use.
>
> That is just plain wrong. Another example where it is handy
> is overseas where GSM is much easier to do outside the
> country, so if you go overseas much, it can be quite convenient.
>
>> I suspect it's got more to do with Telstra's policy of trying
>> to push as many people onto CDMA as possible and
>> nothing at all to do with the quality of the service.
>
> Mindless conspiracy theory.
>
> Its likely much more to do with not having to bother with
> complete coverage with CDMA in buildings etc in the capital citys.
>
>

[Ext User(Rob Speed)]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
>> Assuming CDMA has "better coverage" it means that most of the time a call
>> will go straight through, as opposed to the A party hearing silence for 8
>> seconds while the system tries to locate the phone via GSM then via CDMA.
>>
>> I'd hardly call it "new technology" though, just sounds like basic call
>> forwarding.
>
> Its call redirection, there is no diversion involved.

Is it given or bestowed?

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Rob Speed" <rob@a11.aone.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:U__cf.14759$Hj2.5813@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > >
> >> Assuming CDMA has "better coverage" it means that most of the time a
call
> >> will go straight through, as opposed to the A party hearing silence for
8
> >> seconds while the system tries to locate the phone via GSM then via
CDMA.
> >>
> >> I'd hardly call it "new technology" though, just sounds like basic call
> >> forwarding.
> >
> > Its call redirection, there is no diversion involved.
>
> Is it given or bestowed?

You need to ask for it, how are Telstra supposed to guess which CDMA number
you want and which GSM number you want?

>
>

[Ext User(Kwyjibo)]

Rob Speed wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3tkgvkFsr6jcU1@individual.net...
>> will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote:
>>> Rob Speed wrote
>>
>> That wasnt, me, just that fuckwit again.
>
> FINE, I'll change it. Any suggestions smarty pants????
>

How about 'Just that fuckwit again' ?

--
Kwyj

[Ext User(Tom Smyth)]

"Kwyjibo" <kwyjibo@RemoveThis.ozdebate.com> wrote in message
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> Rob Speed wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:3tkgvkFsr6jcU1@individual.net...
>>> will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote:
>>>> Rob Speed wrote
>>>
>>> That wasnt, me, just that fuckwit again.
>>
>> FINE, I'll change it. Any suggestions smarty pants????
>>
>
> How about 'Just that fuckwit again' ?

Heh. I considered that.

[Ext User(will kemp)]

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:45:15 +0000, Michael wrote:

>> > The number who need CDMA for decent rural coverage
>> > and need GSM for the best capital city performance and
>> > who find that GSM for out of the country handy isnt trivial.
>>
>> I agree. But the way Telstra's got it set up it's useless for that. You
>> will get only CDMA wherever you are - unless there happens to be GSM
>> coverage, but no CDMA coverage at all, which isn't exactly a common
>> scenario, is it?
>
> So why are you worried then? YOu are always going to have CDMA, or nothing.

I'm not worried! In general, CDMA works better than GSM around where i
live - which is why i use it. But when i go to the city - which is quite
rare - there are places where GSM works perfectly but CDMA signal quality
is fairly rough. That seems to be quite common in cities. But this sytem
won't fix that - because there *is* CDMA signal, it's just not very good.

Will

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:45:15 +0000, Michael wrote:
>
>>>> The number who need CDMA for decent rural coverage
>>>> and need GSM for the best capital city performance and
>>>> who find that GSM for out of the country handy isnt trivial.
>>>
>>> I agree. But the way Telstra's got it set up it's useless for that.
>>> You will get only CDMA wherever you are - unless there happens to
>>> be GSM coverage, but no CDMA coverage at all, which isn't exactly a
>>> common scenario, is it?
>>
>> So why are you worried then? YOu are always going to have CDMA, or
>> nothing.
>
> I'm not worried! In general, CDMA works better than GSM around where i
> live - which is why i use it. But when i go to the city - which is
> quite rare - there are places where GSM works perfectly but CDMA
> signal quality is fairly rough. That seems to be quite common in
> cities. But this sytem won't fix that - because there *is* CDMA
> signal, it's just not very good.

You can lock your phone into GSM mode when in the city.

[Ext User(will kemp)]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:56:14 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:45:15 +0000, Michael wrote:
>>
>>>>> The number who need CDMA for decent rural coverage
>>>>> and need GSM for the best capital city performance and
>>>>> who find that GSM for out of the country handy isnt trivial.
>>>>
>>>> I agree. But the way Telstra's got it set up it's useless for that.
>>>> You will get only CDMA wherever you are - unless there happens to
>>>> be GSM coverage, but no CDMA coverage at all, which isn't exactly a
>>>> common scenario, is it?
>>>
>>> So why are you worried then? YOu are always going to have CDMA, or
>>> nothing.
>>
>> I'm not worried! In general, CDMA works better than GSM around where i
>> live - which is why i use it. But when i go to the city - which is
>> quite rare - there are places where GSM works perfectly but CDMA
>> signal quality is fairly rough. That seems to be quite common in
>> cities. But this sytem won't fix that - because there *is* CDMA
>> signal, it's just not very good.
>
> You can lock your phone into GSM mode when in the city.

No problem then! Why didn't you say that in the first place?

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:56:14 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> will kemp <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:45:15 +0000, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The number who need CDMA for decent rural coverage
>>>>>> and need GSM for the best capital city performance and
>>>>>> who find that GSM for out of the country handy isnt trivial.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. But the way Telstra's got it set up it's useless for
>>>>> that. You will get only CDMA wherever you are - unless there
>>>>> happens to be GSM coverage, but no CDMA coverage at all, which
>>>>> isn't exactly a common scenario, is it?
>>>>
>>>> So why are you worried then? YOu are always going to have CDMA, or
>>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> I'm not worried! In general, CDMA works better than GSM around
>>> where i live - which is why i use it. But when i go to the city -
>>> which is quite rare - there are places where GSM works perfectly
>>> but CDMA signal quality is fairly rough. That seems to be quite
>>> common in cities. But this sytem won't fix that - because there
>>> *is* CDMA signal, it's just not very good.
>>
>> You can lock your phone into GSM mode when in the city.
>
> No problem then! Why didn't you say that in the first place?

It should have been obvious to anyone with a clue.

Clearly you have never ever had a clue.