A cheap and simple DD/DTS solution?

[linton]

Thank you! The D in DTS means DIGITAL. As far as I know ANALOGUE Does not start with D. Analogue DOES NOT = Digital.
The speaker package does not have a decoder at all, it's done at the DVD player. outputed already decoded, straight to the 5.1 inputs on the sub. The DECODER and AMP does NOT have to be in the same place.

[EMCWheels]

There is a distinct difference. 99% of DVD players will have DTS output, but not all have DTS decoding.
This is identified easiest by the little symbol on the front of the player. If it stated DTS output, then it's not decoded in the player.
A large DTS symbol is presented when it's decoded by the player.
Hmm - still Greek to me, as I have only ever used optical out into my receiver. When I play DTS audio, the little red dts symbol on the player lights up, and the little red dts symbol on the receiver lights up as well. When I play DD or THX audio, it is not lit. If this is what you mean, then I guess my player has an on-board DTS decoder.
Your reply was posted after the thread was copied, all is well now. :)
Yeah, so was this one, I think I remembered most of what I wanted to say ;)
If anyone here can prove me wrong, I'll cop it sweet no probs.
Sorry Biggy, I can't prove you wrong. My speakers were over $1000, amp was on the cheaper side at about $750, plus cabling.

*Note: retail prices - I bought them during a sale for less, and got some cabling included :D
a DVD player that has its own built in DTS decoder can be connected to these cheap amplified speakers (they actually start at under $50 at the moment) and the DTS decoded soundtrack can be reproduced, perhaps not at its best
"perhaps"?? Hmmmm - the DTS experience through a full set of $50 speakers. I think I'll plug my player into my 34cm B&W TV for the full experience :rolleyes:
Personally, I don't think playing DTS audio through speakers that are lucky to be capable of reproducing voice (think analog home telephone) qualifies as sharing in the DTS experience :p

[byrons mate]

Thank you! The D in DTS means DIGITAL. As far as I know ANALOGUE Does not start with D. Analogue DOES NOT = Digital.


true , but all signals have to turn to analogue before the speakers , so whats your point?

the dvd player acts as the distribution point for the signal before the amp (internal in the sub), so what!

[linton]

"perhaps"?? Hmmmm - the DTS experience through a full set of $50 speakers. I think I'll plug my player into my 34cm B&W TV for the full experience :rolleyes:
Personally, I don't think playing DTS audio through speakers that are lucky to be capable of reproducing voice (think analog home telephone) qualifies as sharing in the DTS experience :p

True, it's not great quality (would find it hard to be pushing good), but My original post still stands. A DTS setup can be done on the cheap (~$80) with the right dvd player to begin with.

[BiggyRat]

Hmm - still Greek to me, as I have only ever used optical out into my receiver. When I play DTS audio, the little red dts symbol on the player lights up, and the little red dts symbol on the receiver lights up as well. When I play DD or THX audio, it is not lit. If this is what you mean, then I guess my player has an on-board DTS decoder.

Yeah, so was this one, I think I remembered most of what I wanted to say ;)

Sorry Biggy, I can't prove you wrong. My speakers were over $1000, amp was on the cheaper side at about $750, plus cabling.

*Note: retail prices - I bought them during a sale for less, and got some cabling included :D

"perhaps"?? Hmmmm - the DTS experience through a full set of $50 speakers. I think I'll plug my player into my 34cm B&W TV for the full experience :rolleyes:
Personally, I don't think playing DTS audio through speakers that are lucky to be capable of reproducing voice (think analog home telephone) qualifies as sharing in the DTS experience :pEMC mate, your disagreement is ok

HOWEVER! My speakers were well over $5000, I'm TRYING to point out the DIFFERENCE between. ahhhhhh forget it. Can't be bothered

[jokiin]

"perhaps"?? Hmmmm - the DTS experience through a full set of $50 speakers. I think I'll plug my player into my 34cm B&W TV for the full experience :rolleyes:
Personally, I don't think playing DTS audio through speakers that are lucky to be capable of reproducing voice (think analog home telephone) qualifies as sharing in the DTS experience :p

I'm trying to be polite, I don't particularly want to offend anyone that 'only' has a set of $50 speakers to listen to their surround sound movies, the reality is though that it's technically possible for these cheap speakers to do it, sure it's not going to be the same as what you have but given the option of the speaker in your 34cm TV in beautiful mono or $50 surround, the $50 surround can certainly sound a lot better, I think this is what was being pointed out in the first place.

[BiggyRat]

The speaker package does not have a decoder at all, it's done at the DVD player. outputed already decoded, straight to the 5.1 inputs on the sub. The DECODER and AMP does NOT have to be in the same place.See, there's that word again - AMP. I agree with you that you can buy a speaker package for around $80. However, my original point was that not only do you need the $80 speakers, but also an AMP that will handle the DTS signals in order to play them back. At no point have I said the decoder and the AMP have to be in the same place. In FACT I have now quoted myself twice on that very issue, so I'm not going to re-quote it a third time as it obviously didn't sink in the last two times.:rolleyes:

[Ozeagle]

See, there's that word again - AMP. I agree with you that you can buy a speaker package for around $80. However, my original point was that not only do you need the $80 speakers, but also an AMP that will handle the DTS signals in order to play them back.
And yes, the packages I'm refering to have the amp in the sub
I'm not sure why there is still confusion here. :rolling:

[Rick]

Picking up on a typo? That's just petty, even for you.

I hav e not changed the setup from word go, your the one that had trouble grasping the idea and technology, otherwise this topic could of been over 5 posts ago.

To prevent you from any more Unnecessary typing, I've going and picked the first link I could find for you.
http://www.strathfield.com.au/Products.asp?CatID=129

See the diagram on top, see the speaker package directly below?
Works exactly the same when the player outputs a decoded DTS stream.

Can I assume you've grasped the idea now?


Linton, correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will) but none of those "packages" have dts as far as I know.

[BiggyRat]

Linton, correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will) but none of those "packages" have dts as far as I know.Oh God finally! Thanks Rick!

[Rick]

I'd acually be interested in hearing what the "right" dvd player (with built in dts decoder, I presume) was. Brand, model etc.

[jokiin]

my original point was that not only do you need the $80 speakers, but also an AMP that will handle the DTS signals in order to play them back.

If the DVD player in question has an onboard DTS decoder (quite a few of them do) it can decode the signal into the 6 seperate channels which is then sent via the 6 analogue outputs of the DVD player to amplified speakers, this still gives true DTS surround, of course it will never compare to a half decent amp with an onboard decoder and decent speakers, but the reality is that it will still do it. All an amplifier does is amplify, a decoder is required to turn the raw DTS data signal back into 6 channels, that can be done by the DVD player or by a DTS decoder regardless of whether the decoder is in an amplifier, pre amp or even an outboard decoder, before DTS became mainstream it was possible to buy outboard DTS decoders such as this one http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_4_2/millennium.html it would technically possible to use something like this to run those same $80 speakers and get true DTS surround (I'm sure nobody would actually do it, but that's not the point) these days though a DTS decoder can be built into the DVD player and achieve the same result, there is no other reason to even put a DTS decoder into a DVD player other than to drive these cheap amplified speakers.

Just a side note, these days manufacturers are increasingly leaving out the onboard DTS decoder and just putting an onboard Dolby Digital decoder (same scenario is possible, don't bother saying they can't do Dolby Digital either) as the licensing fee for Dolby Digital is cheaper, there are still DVD players available with built in DTS decoding but they are generally a bit more expensive.

[nsu]

it would technically possible to use something like this to run those same $80 speakers and get true DTS surround (I'm sure nobody would actually do it, but that's not the point) these days though a DTS decoder can be built into the DVD player and achieve the same result, there is no other reason to even put a DTS decoder into a DVD player other than to drive these cheap amplified speakers.

Just a side note, these days manufacturers are increasingly leaving out the onboard DTS decoder and just putting an onboard Dolby Digital decoder (same scenario is possible, don't bother saying they can't do Dolby Digital either) as the licensing fee for Dolby Digital is cheaper, there are still DVD players available with built in DTS decoding but they are generally a bit more expensive.

Another good use for a DVD player with in built DTS decoder is for my old/secondary Yamaha receiver. This receiver does not have DTS decoder, only AC3. However it accepts 6 channel discrete inputs.

I think the main reason for DVD players that do not come with DTS decoder is the licence fee as well as the general conception of "any surround sound is good". ...and it sadly can confusion people when explaining DD, DTS, -ES, -EX...

[linton]

Linton, correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will) but none of those "packages" have dts as far as I know.

And they don't need to, which is exactly my arguement with Biggy.

I'd acually be interested in hearing what the "right" dvd player (with built in dts decoder, I presume) was. Brand, model etc.

Pay attention to DVD player spec's. Any player with DTS decoding ONBOARD is the right player. I'd elaberate more, but jok11n has explained exactly what I've being trying to drum into that head of biggy's already.

In my case, my first DVD player was the Wintal 3000B (set me back $499 back in 2001/2002).

[linton]

However, my original point was that not only do you need the $80 speakers, but also an AMP that will handle the DTS signals in order to play them back. At no point have I said the decoder and the AMP have to be in the same place. In FACT I have now quoted myself twice on that very issue, so I'm not going to re-quote it a third time as it obviously didn't sink in the last two times.:rolleyes:

Jok11n's and nsu's post explained this perfectly. The amp does NOT have to support DTS. It's not the decoder for this setup. It will take the ALREADY DECODED signal and amplify it to be played via the 6 speakers.

I'll post my original cheap setup for playing DTS one more time, in a nice easy to read, laid out fasion. After that if you still can't grasp the idea, then your a lost cause. Go on, argue against this post. :rolling:


Any DVD player with dts decoding.

1x 5.1 speaker set, (as long as it has 5.1 discret inputs, NO DECODERS REQUIRED) ie. http://www.strathfield.com.au/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=655

set of 6 composite cables (for in between the DVD player and speakers)

Speakers ~$50

P.S - At NO time have a stated this is a quality setup, it will give basic DTS output.
No match for your $5000 :rolling: speakers.

[thornton melon]

Only if you want to enjoy your movies with the the full rich surround at least as good as at the cinema or even better, if not don't bother!

[BiggyRat]

Jok11n's and nsu's post explained this perfectly. The amp does NOT have to support DTS. It's not the decoder for this setup. It will take the ALREADY DECODED signal and amplify it to be played via the 6 speakers.

I'll post my original cheap setup for playing DTS one more time, in a nice easy to read, laid out fasion. After that if you still can't grasp the idea, then your a lost cause. Go on, argue against this post. :rolling:


Any DVD player with dts decoding.

1x 5.1 speaker set, (as long as it has 5.1 discret inputs, NO DECODERS REQUIRED) ie. http://www.strathfield.com.au/ViewProduct.asp?ProdID=655

set of 6 composite cables (for in between the DVD player and speakers)

Speakers ~$50

P.S - At NO time have a stated this is a quality setup, it will give basic DTS output.
No match for your $5000 :rolling: speakers.You've dissappointed me Linton through out this, it has to be said. Twice now you've made this a personal attack on me - 3 times if I count the "you're in over your head" remark. From a mod, I'd expect a LOT more.

I can't be bothered with this subject anymore. Say what you wish, beleive what you will. We will just have to agree to disagree I suppose. :rolleyes: :cool:

BTW, I still believe you're confusing DTS with 5.1 , but as I say, I'm outta this. As I have FAR FAR bigger issues to worry about.

[jokiin]

I'm not sure why this thread has gone this way, just going back and re reading it all it seems this is where the confusion started


Hell, with the proper DVD player to start with you can listen to DTS for less than $80.

Sorry to dissapoint anyone that thinks they know better, but what Linton said is technically correct, he never seemed to imply that the result would be great, just that it was possible, sorry if anyone is offended but he is correct.

I don't think any further discussion on the subject is justified.

[linton]

Apart from buying the DVD player and speaker package and showing you first hand exactly how things work, I can't think of anything else to educate you.


BTW, I still believe you're confusing DTS with 5.1 , but as I say, I'm outta this. As I have FAR FAR bigger issues to worry about.

Confusing the two audio? Hahaha, I like that one. With going on 6 years of living in the DVD age, 2 years of DVD reviewing and an enthusiast for god knows how many years, classic is all a can class that comment.

With my constantly trying to explain, nsu's personal example, jok11n's countless years of experience in the industry... Oh wait, it must be a moderator Vs Biggy thing. :rolling:

As for the personal attacks, I apologise, my frustration easily gets the best of me.

Just for me though, I last clear post on why my cheap and nasty DTS example would not work?

[BiggyRat]

Oh wait, it must be a moderator Vs Biggy thing. :rolling: Oh for fucks sake grow up Linton. I never said that. BTW Jok11 is 40, I'm 41 I've therefore had more experience 6 years in DVD's! Wow, impressive. Do you know what a 78 is? :rolleyes: Give it up mate. This is my last post in this thread.