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Ext User(What The)
29-11-2005, 10:24 PM
OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought it
was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been fooling myself? or is it
indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i myself have even found it uncomfortable
(i.e i wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation) without some kind of
shoes on..


Cheers!

Ext User(The Red Krawler)
29-11-2005, 10:25 PM
> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i
> thought it was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been
> fooling myself? or is it indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i
> myself have even found it uncomfortable (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught
> in a dangerous situation) without some kind of shoes on..

I prefer driving bare foot when hooning because you can get a feel for
everything better, but I believe that it is indeed illegal (then again, so
is hooning... meh)

Driving the van I'm happy to have steel caps on, cause when that front end
collapses in an accident at least part of my legs will survive :)

Ext User(grumpy@mailinator.com)
29-11-2005, 10:33 PM
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:30:24 GMT, "What The" <meh@meh.com> wrote:

> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought it
> was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been fooling myself? or is it
> indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i myself have even found it uncomfortable
> (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation) without some kind of
> shoes on..

It is not illegal to be barefooted or to wear thongs. I often wear slip on shoes when driving. They
are very comfortable.

Ext User(Patrick Young)
29-11-2005, 10:43 PM
What The wrote:

> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought it
> was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been fooling myself? or is it
> indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i myself have even found it uncomfortable
> (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation) without some kind of
> shoes on..

Drive bare foot or thongs is ferpectly OK (NSW at least). You
could even drive naked if you want. Might wanna drape a towel
over various bits though, in the interests of good taste and
public decency laws.

When driving at weekends, I'll usually be wearing thongs (no
not that type!, the foot type).

Ext User(RodP)
29-11-2005, 10:43 PM
In article <QcVif.6464$ea6.5109@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
What The says...

> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought it
> was also illegal to drive without shoes at all.

No law against bare foot driving.

--
Cheers,
Rod.

Ext User(taxman)
29-11-2005, 10:53 PM
|
| Driving the van I'm happy to have steel caps on, cause when that front end
| collapses in an accident at least part of my legs will survive :)
|


Your legs will be crushed and severed at the shins, but atleast your toes
will be ok ;)

Ext User(What The)
29-11-2005, 11:05 PM
OK so between you and the other poeple who have posted so far, someone has to be
wrong as everyone is contradicting everyone else...


"Patrick Young" <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote in message
news:s8Wif.6522$ea6.3841@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> What The wrote:
>
>> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought
>> it was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been fooling myself? or
>> is it indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i myself have even found it
>> uncomfortable (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation) without
>> some kind of shoes on..
>
> Drive bare foot or thongs is ferpectly OK (NSW at least). You
> could even drive naked if you want. Might wanna drape a towel
> over various bits though, in the interests of good taste and
> public decency laws.
>
> When driving at weekends, I'll usually be wearing thongs (no
> not that type!, the foot type).
>

Ext User(Patrick Young)
29-11-2005, 11:13 PM
What The wrote:

> OK so between you and the other poeple who have posted so far, someone has to be
> wrong as everyone is contradicting everyone else...

No, it's legal for the "Average Joe" motorist. Motor bike prolly
might raise issues.

> "Patrick Young" <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:s8Wif.6522$ea6.3841@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>>What The wrote:
>>
>>
>>>OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought
>>>it was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been fooling myself? or
>>>is it indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i myself have even found it
>>>uncomfortable (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation) without
>>>some kind of shoes on..
>>
>>Drive bare foot or thongs is ferpectly OK (NSW at least). You
>>could even drive naked if you want. Might wanna drape a towel
>>over various bits though, in the interests of good taste and
>>public decency laws.
>>
>>When driving at weekends, I'll usually be wearing thongs (no
>>not that type!, the foot type).
>>
>
>
>

Ext User(Kev)
30-11-2005, 01:43 AM
So there are those that say it is and those that say it isn't and one
fool who will be caught out when his slip-ons slip off and stop him from
being able to use the brake effectivly

In QLD it is Illegal to drive while bare foot
this is taught at the driving school, and you fail if you turn up for a
driving test without proper shoes

I suspect NSW would be the same

how about someone check the rules on it and post the correct info and
link


I drive bare foot mostly because the footwell in most cars are not big
enough to drive with size 12 work boots,

Kev

Patrick Young wrote:
>
> What The wrote:
>
> > OK so between you and the other poeple who have posted so far, someone has to be
> > wrong as everyone is contradicting everyone else...
>
> No, it's legal for the "Average Joe" motorist. Motor bike prolly
> might raise issues.
>
> > "Patrick Young" <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote in message
> > news:s8Wif.6522$ea6.3841@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> >>What The wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought
> >>>it was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been fooling myself? or
> >>>is it indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i myself have even found it
> >>>uncomfortable (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation) without
> >>>some kind of shoes on..
> >>
> >>Drive bare foot or thongs is ferpectly OK (NSW at least). You
> >>could even drive naked if you want. Might wanna drape a towel
> >>over various bits though, in the interests of good taste and
> >>public decency laws.
> >>
> >>When driving at weekends, I'll usually be wearing thongs (no
> >>not that type!, the foot type).
> >>
> >
> >
> >

Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)
30-11-2005, 02:13 AM
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:38:18 +1000, Kev wrote:

> So there are those that say it is and those that say it isn't and one
> fool who will be caught out when his slip-ons slip off and stop him from
> being able to use the brake effectivly
>
> In QLD it is Illegal to drive while bare foot
> this is taught at the driving school, and you fail if you turn up for a
> driving test without proper shoes
>
> I suspect NSW would be the same
>
> how about someone check the rules on it and post the correct info and
> link
>
>
> I drive bare foot mostly because the footwell in most cars are not big
> enough to drive with size 12 work boots,
>
> Kev

Not so much the bloot size, but the economy factor.
Far better mileage with bare foots.
I drive most longish trips with no shoes - always have done.
Gets interesting when the police get involved - it's getting to the
point where I won't bother putting the shoes on when I get out to
greet them roadside.
Bastards might shoot me 'cause, shit, I might be reaching for a bomb
and be going to blow myself up to avoid a speeding fine.

I recall QLD has a LAW demanding that Taxi Drivers- that's those
unfortunates with speshul Hire Drivers licences - must wear fully
enclosed lace-up shoes. Or else.
Never did hear what the penalty was - probably ripping the licence off
ya becuse that's 'The Power' they use most often.
Hell, they even have a jumped-up bunch of monkeys pretending to hear
appeals against maladministration in the Transport Dept these days:-)

But it's interesting indeed that *all* drivers need to wear shoes.
FFS - I've seen shoes that it's be near impossible to walk with for
more than 50 metres, let alone master the use of two or more pedals
more or less at the same time. Would they be legal?
Like does the law define a correct shape and fit of shoe?
So that's up to the beak and it's spleen on the day?
As usual.


--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

Ext User(Patrick Young)
30-11-2005, 02:33 AM
Kev wrote:

> I suspect NSW would be the same

Legal in NSW, and I'd like someone to come up with
info (or a link) to say you could attend a driving
test bare foot in NSW and not pass it.

Ext User(Rheilly Phoull)
30-11-2005, 02:53 AM
"Patrick Young" <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message
news:zAZif.6689$ea6.1808@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Kev wrote:
>
>> I suspect NSW would be the same
>
> Legal in NSW, and I'd like someone to come up with
> info (or a link) to say you could attend a driving
> test bare foot in NSW and not pass it.

Dunno about the legalities but the few times I have driven in thongs it was
an invitation to disaster. Just a bit of sweat and they slip and entagle ya
foot. Better to go bare foot I reckon.

--
Regards ......... Rheilly Phoull

Ext User(Patrick Young)
30-11-2005, 03:03 AM
Kev wrote:

> In QLD it is Illegal to drive while bare foot

Link?

Ext User(Patrick Young)
30-11-2005, 03:13 AM
Rheilly Phoull wrote:
> "Patrick Young" <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message
> news:zAZif.6689$ea6.1808@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

>>Kev wrote:
>>
>>>I suspect NSW would be the same
>>Legal in NSW, and I'd like someone to come up with
>>info (or a link) to say you could attend a driving
>>test bare foot in NSW and not pass it.

> Dunno about the legalities but the few times I have driven in thongs it was
> an invitation to disaster. Just a bit of sweat and they slip and entagle ya
> foot. Better to go bare foot I reckon.

Offroad, I've driven bare foot, however as an avid wearer of foot type
thongs, never had a problem on road.

In Shitney traffic, might avoid the bare foot, since not used to it.
thongs or boots there do _equally_ just fine and have for many years.

Ext User(John Henderson)
30-11-2005, 07:54 AM
Kev wrote:

> In QLD it is Illegal to drive while bare foot
> this is taught at the driving school, and you fail if you turn
> up for a driving test without proper shoes

There are lots of things taught at driving school as compulsory
which have no legal basis. In the ACT, my kids tell me you
fail if you use engine braking (even with a manual gearbox).

John

Ext User(Sir Lex)
30-11-2005, 10:53 AM
What The wrote:
> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought it
> was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been fooling myself? or is it
> indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i myself have even found it uncomfortable
> (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation) without some kind of
> shoes on..
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>

This has been discussed heavily in the past, so much so that David
Maddison (is he still around?) decided to write to each of the
states/territories and post what they had to say about their laws. The
basic reply was that there's no law in any state regarding the type of
footware, if any, that you must wear whilst driving. Here's what they
had to say:


David S. Maddison, May 3 2003, 11:12 pm

This is an update - I now have an additional reply from the state of
South Australia which is included in the following text. I have also
fixed some minor OCR scanning errors. This leaves out only New South
Wales which is either unwilling or unable to explain what the law is.

I now have answers from 5 of the 6 states and both territories. Here
they are:

BAREFOOT DRIVING IN AUSTRALIA
Current to 3 May 2003
An Alt.folklore.urban project

==================================================

ORIGINAL LETTER (My address details deleted.)
5th December 2002

Re: BAREFEET DRIVING

Dear [..],

This is a serious request.

There is apparently a common misconception, that appears to be
international in scope judging from various postings on the Internet,
that driving a motor vehicle with bare feet is illegal.

I am conducting research as to the legal status of this activity in
Australia.

Could you please advise if it is illegal to drive without shoes or
other footwear in [STATE]?

If so, could you please indicate what the relevant legislation is,
and, if known, the reason for it.

This being a matter of the law, the public interest and the public
record, I wish to publish the text of any response you may provide.

Yours sincerely,
(signed)
David Maddison

==================================================

NSW - New South Wales

(No response received as of 3 May 2003)

==================================================

VIC - Victoria

11 Dec 2002

Dear Dr Maddison

DRIVING WHILST BAREFOOT

I am writing in response to your letter of 5 December 2002 to the
Minister for Police and Emergency Services, the Hon André Haermeyer
MP, concerning driving whilst barefoot. The Minister thanks you for
your letter and has asked me to respond to you on his behalf.

In your letter you ask whether or not it is illegal in Victoria to
drive without wearing shoes or other footwear. There is no specific
provision in Victorian legislation that prohibits driving whilst
barefoot. However, In Victoria there is a general legal onus on the
driver to drive safely.

Section 65 of the Road Safety Act 1986 creates the offence of careless
driving. A person who commits the offence of careless driving is
liable to a penalty of up to a $1,200 fine for a first offence and a
fine of up to $2,500 for a subsequent offence. Therefore, should a
person be detected driving carelessly, the fact that the person was
not wearing shoes or footwear would be a relevant circumstance
considered in the charge of careless driving.

If a person who was driving barefoot committed any other traffic
offence, such as involvement in a rear-end collision, the legal onus
would be upon that person to prove that they were driving safely and
were not at fault.

New laws about the treatment of personal information held by the State
Government came into effect on 1 September 2002 with the introduction
of the Information Privacy Act 2000. Please find attached a notice
regarding the collection of and access to personal information.

Yours sincerely

RISA DE CICCO
(Signed)
Director, Justice Policy

==================================================

TAS - Tasmania

24 Feb 2003

Dear Dr Maddison,

I refer to your correspondence questioning whether it is illegal to
drive a motor vehicle in Tasmania with bare feet.

I can advise that it is not an offence to drive with bare feet in this
State. However, charges may result if an accident occurs as a direct
result of the foot of a bare-foot driver slipping off the pedal of a
vehicle.

The charge of "Drive without Proper Control" would be considered if
the accident was attributed to the driver's lack of footwear.

Yours Sincerely
(Signed)
David Llewellyn MHA
MINISTER FOR POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY

==================================================

SA - South Australia

15 Mar 2003

Dear Dr Maddison,

Thank you for your letter of 5 December 2002 to Ron Patrick Conlon MP,
Minister for Police, regarding the legality of driving without shoes
or other footwear. The Minister for Police has referred your
correspondence to me as this matter is within my portfolio as Minister
for Transport.

Neither the Road Traffic Act 1961 nor the Australian Road Rules
contain any provisions requiring drivers to wear footwear while
driving. I am not aware of any other South Australian legislation
containing such requirements.

I trust the above information will assist your research into this
matter .

Yours sincerely
(Signed)
For Michael Wright MP
MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT 15/3/2003

==================================================

WA - Western Australia

20 December 2002

Dear Dr Maddison

Thank you for your letter to the Minister for Police and Emergency
Services, Hon. Michelle Roberts MLA, querying the regulations
governing "barefeet" driving. As the Office of Road Safety provides
information and advice concerning road traffic regulations, the
Minister has asked that I respond to you directly.

The Western Australian Road Traffic Code 2000 does not have a specific
regulation banning the driving of a motor vehicle with no footwear. In
this regard, a driver may drive without shoes or other footwear. There
is, however, responsibility for the driver to have full control of the
vehicle (Regulation 263). The choice of footwear may impact on this
requirement.

I hope this information is of assistance.

Yours sincerely
(Signed)
lain Cameron
Executive Director

==================================================

NT - Northern Territory

19 December 2002

Dear Dr Maddison

I refer to your letter dated 5 December 2002 to The Hon Paul
Henderson, Minister for Police Fire and Emergency Services regarding
the driving of motor vehicles with bare feet. Your correspondence was
forwarded to my office for a response.

On behalf of the Minister I advise that there is no legislation
prohibiting this practice in the Northern Territory.

Sincerely
(Signed)
D A Smith
Assistant Commissioner
Operations Command
19 December 2002

==================================================

QLD - Queensland

17 Feb 2003

Dear Dr Maddison

Thank you for your letter of 5 December 2002 seeking information about
whether it is illegal in Queensland to drive a motor vehicle without
footwear.

I have taken up your query with the Assistant Commissioner, Operations
Support Command, Queensland Police Service. The Assistant Commissioner
has advised that there are no provisions in Queensland legislation
that specifically prohibit driving a motor vehicle when not wearing
shoes or another type of footwear.

I trust this information is helpful.

Yours sincerely
(Signed)
TONY McGRADY
Minister for Police and Corrective Services
and Minister Assisting the Premier on the
Carpentaria Minerals Province

==================================================

ACT - Australian Capital Territory

20 December 2002

Dear Dr Maddison

Thank you for your letter of 5 December 2002 regarding barefoot
driving.

There is no specific road transport legislation for the ACT relating
to footwear that mayor may not be worn when operating a motor vehicle.

However the Australian Road Rules (Rule 297) state in part "...A
driver must not drive a vehicle unless the driver has proper control
of the vehicle..." This is an offence provision.

Should a driver not have proper control of his/her vehicle as a result
of not wearing shoes or other footwear, then this may be considered an
offence under the Australian Road Rules. The police have
responsibility for interpretation and enforcement of these rules.

If you wish to publish any text on this subject, you will find ACT
road transport legislation and the Australian Road Rules at
www.legislation.act.gov.au. Relevant acts and subordinate laws can be
found under 'R' , and the Australian Road Rules are a notifiable
instrument under the Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management)
Act 1999.

Should you require further information, please contact Jon Brosolo
(Driver Licence Policy) on 620 77162.

Thank you for your interest in this matter.

Yours sincerely
(Signed)
David Quinlan
Manager (Driver and Vehicle Policy)
Road Transport
10 December 2002

==================================================

Ext User(Spooky)
30-11-2005, 11:13 AM
"What The" <meh@meh.com> wrote in message
news:QcVif.6464$ea6.5109@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i
> thought it was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been
> fooling myself? or is it indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i
> myself have even found it uncomfortable (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught
> in a dangerous situation) without some kind of shoes on..

It's not illegal in any state to drive barefoot. This old wives tale
stems from the days when a young bloke would turn up for a driving
test in thongs, and the examiner would send them home to put shoes
on.

Let's face it. If women can drive in stilletos (or attempt to), then
driving
barefoot is as safe as houses.

Spooky

Ext User(athol)
30-11-2005, 11:33 AM
What The <meh@meh.com> wrote:
> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i thought it
> was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been fooling myself? or is it
> indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i myself have even found it uncomfortable
> (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught in a dangerous situation) without some kind of
> shoes on..

Try googling first!

I went to http://groups.google.com/aus.cars and searched within the group
(top right, not "search all groups" in top left). Came up with this one
as the 4th match:

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.folklore.urban/browse_thread/thread/5841c08537ffe184/c51a26caa225ae00?q=%22bare+feet%22&rnum=4#c51a26caa225ae00>

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

Ext User(Clockmeister)
30-11-2005, 12:43 PM
"What The" <meh@meh.com> wrote in message
news:QcVif.6464$ea6.5109@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> OK i know its not legal to drive with slip on shoes/thongs (right??) but i
> thought it was also illegal to drive without shoes at all. Have i been
> fooling myself? or is it indeed illegal? I thought it was illegal as i
> myself have even found it uncomfortable (i.e i wouldn't want to be caught
> in a dangerous situation) without some kind of shoes on..
>

You need to be white trash or abo to master it.

(ducks...)

Ext User(Kev)
30-11-2005, 01:03 PM
> ==================================================
>
> QLD - Queensland
>
> 17 Feb 2003
>
> Dear Dr Maddison
>
> Thank you for your letter of 5 December 2002 seeking information about
> whether it is illegal in Queensland to drive a motor vehicle without
> footwear.
>
> I have taken up your query with the Assistant Commissioner, Operations
> Support Command, Queensland Police Service. The Assistant Commissioner
> has advised that there are no provisions in Queensland legislation
> that specifically prohibit driving a motor vehicle when not wearing
> shoes or another type of footwear.
>
> I trust this information is helpful.
>
> Yours sincerely
> (Signed)
> TONY McGRADY
> Minister for Police and Corrective Services
> and Minister Assisting the Premier on the
> Carpentaria Minerals Province
>
> ==================================================


Hmmm interesting isn't it

the QLD Police are writting out tickets to truck drivers NOT wearing
shoes while driving

I my self have been the subject of these checks, on stopping on the
weigh bridge the cop opens the door to check I am wearing a seatbelt and
then looks to to see if I am wearing shoes and informs me that I muct
wear shoes while driving and that it is an offence to not do so

that was early this year


Kev

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