Any advice appreciated

[Ext User(codocks)]

Did not dare put the words 'Freelander' in the header. Have a problem which
my excellent mechanic is having a problem solving. Car began to miss,
particular from 2nd to 3rd towards the end of last summer. Nearly always
occurred once the car was warmed up. No probs during the colder months, but
the problem surfaced again with the onset of the warmer weather. The car
stutters badly through the gears, will stall etc.

Have eliminated the catalytic converter, have replaced plugs, he now thinks
it might be related to one of the sensors ? We are trying to avoid having a
diagnosis with one of the Land Rover workshops, for obvious reasons.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Codocks

[Ext User(jackbadger)]

codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>Did not dare put the words 'Freelander' in the >header. Have a problem
<<snip>>

Gawd!
My reply definately comes under the "any" advice, as I can't solve your
specific issue ; (
Over the last 2 weeks I've had the misfortune of having to drive 2
separate versions of the 2001/2002 Freelander V6 5-door SE auto's. I tried
to like them, I really did. On the face of it they appear quite useful. But
although both had a full genuine service history, the list of problems is
astounding!
First one - clunking auto tranny which occassionally gets stuck in fourth
gear, meaning I have to stop/switch off/run the gearlever back & forth
before it starts again; in the wet it appears to only be FWD (no ammount
of slip gets the rears to engage); a rattle from the engine turns out to
be a butterfly type of flap rattling around loose in the inlet manifold
(it switchs intake air from a long inlet to short inlet at higher revs)
meaning the car has no torque and needs a complete new manifold (of course
they're not sold seperately). Total mileage - 54,000kms.
The second car keeps blowing a headlight globe, the ABS light comes on and
goes out randomly, two of the 5 electric windows don't move (you have to
pull them up manually and they drop again over bumps), the transmission
just flatly refuses to kick-down unless you use the tip-tronic, and it
must be leaking fuel when running because a full tank (59L) got me exactly
135kms before it completely emptied, leaving me stranded. Total mileage -
78,000kms.
I considered posting a warning here about my experiences but thought
no-one here would be considering buying one anyway, but your post just
reminded me.
I'm sorry I can't help with your problem, but FFS when sorted just get rid
of the bloody thing because the list of inherent faults in this design is
just staggering! Why the hell anyone would shell out their hard-earned for
one of these things over say a CRV or RAV4............
In a nutshell, the piss-poor reputation for faults with Landrovers is in
this case completely justified.

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:09:32 +1100, codocks wrote:

> Did not dare put the words 'Freelander' in the header. Have a problem which
> my excellent mechanic is having a problem solving. Car began to miss,
> particular from 2nd to 3rd towards the end of last summer. Nearly always
> occurred once the car was warmed up. No probs during the colder months, but
> the problem surfaced again with the onset of the warmer weather. The car
> stutters badly through the gears, will stall etc.
>
> Have eliminated the catalytic converter, have replaced plugs, he now thinks
> it might be related to one of the sensors ? We are trying to avoid having a
> diagnosis with one of the Land Rover workshops, for obvious reasons.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated
>
> Codocks

In this device a Manuel?

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Kev)]

or you could have avoided the trial and error and gone straight to Rover
and had them fix it, it might be a bit more expensive up front, but so
is replacing everything that MAY be the cause


Kev

codocks wrote:
>
> Did not dare put the words 'Freelander' in the header. Have a problem which
> my excellent mechanic is having a problem solving. Car began to miss,
> particular from 2nd to 3rd towards the end of last summer. Nearly always
> occurred once the car was warmed up. No probs during the colder months, but
> the problem surfaced again with the onset of the warmer weather. The car
> stutters badly through the gears, will stall etc.
>
> Have eliminated the catalytic converter, have replaced plugs, he now thinks
> it might be related to one of the sensors ? We are trying to avoid having a
> diagnosis with one of the Land Rover workshops, for obvious reasons.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated
>
> Codocks

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Did not dare put the words 'Freelander' in the header. Have a problem
> which my excellent mechanic is having a problem solving. Car began to
> miss, particular from 2nd to 3rd towards the end of last summer. Nearly
> always occurred once the car was warmed up. No probs during the colder
> months, but the problem surfaced again with the onset of the warmer
> weather. The car stutters badly through the gears, will stall etc.

Does the engine light come on whilst it is doing all this?
Does it misfire when there is no load (ie idle, or just free revving), or
only as you accelerate and what rev range?

> Have eliminated the catalytic converter, have replaced plugs, he now
> thinks it might be related to one of the sensors ? We are trying to avoid
> having a diagnosis with one of the Land Rover workshops, for obvious
> reasons.

Yeah, that will cost you but may also fix your problem.

> Any advice would be greatly appreciated
>

Unfortunately faults like these are virtually impossible to diagnose unless
the car is right there in front of you.

One fix is to trade it in in the winter, I'm not kidding, and buy something
with a better reputation for reliablility.

[Ext User(codocks)]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:aich8c2x3bbu$.1swcn5x78tjuo$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:09:32 +1100, codocks wrote:
>
>> Did not dare put the words 'Freelander' in the header. Have a problem
>> which
>> my excellent mechanic is having a problem solving. Car began to miss,
>> particular from 2nd to 3rd towards the end of last summer. Nearly always
>> occurred once the car was warmed up. No probs during the colder months,
>> but
>> the problem surfaced again with the onset of the warmer weather. The car
>> stutters badly through the gears, will stall etc.
>>
>> Have eliminated the catalytic converter, have replaced plugs, he now
>> thinks
>> it might be related to one of the sensors ? We are trying to avoid having
>> a
>> diagnosis with one of the Land Rover workshops, for obvious reasons.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated
>>
>> Codocks
>
> In this device a Manuel?
>

Yeah, 5 speed, 2000 Xei Hardback, the engine being the 1.8 litre

Thanks..

[Ext User(codocks)]

"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43a88122$0$18199$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> Did not dare put the words 'Freelander' in the header. Have a problem
>> which my excellent mechanic is having a problem solving. Car began to
>> miss, particular from 2nd to 3rd towards the end of last summer. Nearly
>> always occurred once the car was warmed up. No probs during the colder
>> months, but the problem surfaced again with the onset of the warmer
>> weather. The car stutters badly through the gears, will stall etc.
>
> Does the engine light come on whilst it is doing all this?

No

> Does it misfire when there is no load (ie idle, or just free revving), or
> only as you accelerate and what rev range?

At idle, the engine will cough and splutter for around 30 secs then stall
>
>> Have eliminated the catalytic converter, have replaced plugs, he now
>> thinks it might be related to one of the sensors ? We are trying to avoid
>> having a diagnosis with one of the Land Rover workshops, for obvious
>> reasons.
>
> Yeah, that will cost you but may also fix your problem.
>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated
>>
>
> Unfortunately faults like these are virtually impossible to diagnose
> unless the car is right there in front of you.
>
> One fix is to trade it in in the winter, I'm not kidding, and buy
> something with a better reputation for reliablility.

No that's excellent advice............currently has 93k on board, will
probably sell after school holidays

Thanks

Codocks

[Ext User(codocks)]

The culprit was the rotor button which was failing to distribute spark to
the plugs.

Codocks

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:56:50 +1100, codocks wrote:

> The culprit was the rotor button which was failing to distribute spark to
> the plugs.
>
> Codocks

At 93,000 Kms?

Faark.

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> The culprit was the rotor button which was failing to distribute spark to
> the plugs.
>

How did you find out in the end?

[Ext User(codocks)]

"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43aa07ea$0$15404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> The culprit was the rotor button which was failing to distribute spark to
>> the plugs.
>>
>
> How did you find out in the end?

My mechanic has some impressive diagnostic tools, but they could not
identify the problem.........ended up being a process of
elimination........he showed me the cap and the button this morning......the
cap had two fine cracks and apparently the button unit would not carry a
charge..........I'm not mecahnically oriented, but I trust this explanation
may make sense ? Thanks for taking the time to help.........

Regards

Codocks

[Ext User(John_H)]

codocks wrote:
>
>My mechanic has some impressive diagnostic tools, but they could not
>identify the problem.........ended up being a process of
>elimination........he showed me the cap and the button this morning......the
>cap had two fine cracks and apparently the button unit would not carry a
>charge..........I'm not mecahnically oriented, but I trust this explanation
>may make sense ? Thanks for taking the time to help.........

It's a common enough problem, which you can easily test on a kettering
ignition system (though not yours) by holding the coil HT lead near
the brush on top of the rotor while using a screwdriver to work the
points. If a spark jumps across the rotor is stuffed (ie there's a
breakdown in the insulation to ground).

A crook rotor usually gives the same symptoms as a crook distributor
cap (to the human ear at least).

Sometimes there's no substitute for human diagnostic skills -- with
the catch being that those who have access to the you beaut diagnostic
equipment often never acquire them. :)

--
John H

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:53:38 +1000, John_H wrote:

> codocks wrote:
>>
>>My mechanic has some impressive diagnostic tools, but they could not
>>identify the problem.........ended up being a process of
>>elimination........he showed me the cap and the button this morning......the
>>cap had two fine cracks and apparently the button unit would not carry a
>>charge..........I'm not mecahnically oriented, but I trust this explanation
>>may make sense ? Thanks for taking the time to help.........
>
> It's a common enough problem, which you can easily test on a kettering
> ignition system (though not yours) by holding the coil HT lead near
> the brush on top of the rotor while using a screwdriver to work the
> points. If a spark jumps across the rotor is stuffed (ie there's a
> breakdown in the insulation to ground).
>
> A crook rotor usually gives the same symptoms as a crook distributor
> cap (to the human ear at least).
>
> Sometimes there's no substitute for human diagnostic skills -- with
> the catch being that those who have access to the you beaut diagnostic
> equipment often never acquire them. :)

Thank fuck the mechanics U Beaut diagnostic equipment extended to
remembering the meat-head apprentice dropped the multi's he was using
to remove the leads last time the plugs were changed, you guessed it -
right on the dizzy cap:-)

Well, it sounds plausible.

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:43aa71e3$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>>
>> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:43aa07ea$0$15404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>> The culprit was the rotor button which was failing to distribute spark
>>> to the plugs.
>>>
>>
>> How did you find out in the end?
>
> My mechanic has some impressive diagnostic tools, but they could not
> identify the problem.........ended up being a process of
> elimination........he showed me the cap and the button this
> morning......the cap had two fine cracks and apparently the button unit
> would not carry a charge..........I'm not mecahnically oriented, but I
> trust this explanation may make sense ? Thanks for taking the time to
> help.........
>

No probs. There is something to be said for an old tune-up machine that has
a display... it would have showed an irregular spark pattern which would
have isolated the faulty pretty easily. Even with the latest and greatest
diagnostic equipment available to me I still miss the old clunker sometimes.

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <43abdf30$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, no-one@nowhere.com
says...
>
> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43ab3de9$0$9290$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> >
> > "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:43aa71e3$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> >>
> >> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news:43aa07ea$0$15404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> >>> The culprit was the rotor button which was failing to distribute spark
> >>> to the plugs.
> >>>
> >>
> >> How did you find out in the end?
> >
> > My mechanic has some impressive diagnostic tools, but they could not
> > identify the problem.........ended up being a process of
> > elimination........he showed me the cap and the button this
> > morning......the cap had two fine cracks and apparently the button unit
> > would not carry a charge..........I'm not mecahnically oriented, but I
> > trust this explanation may make sense ? Thanks for taking the time to
> > help.........
> >
>
> No probs. There is something to be said for an old tune-up machine that has
> a display... it would have showed an irregular spark pattern which would
> have isolated the faulty pretty easily. Even with the latest and greatest
> diagnostic equipment available to me I still miss the old clunker sometimes.
>
Be nice to find a circuit diagram that you could plug into a svga monitor
to provide the same functions as an olde tunescope. Would be handy at
home.

Al
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It's more fun to insult everyone.
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[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

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> In article <43abdf30$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, no-one@nowhere.com
> says...
>>
>> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:43ab3de9$0$9290$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>> >
>> > "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> > news:43aa71e3$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>> >>
>> >> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> >> news:43aa07ea$0$15404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> >>> The culprit was the rotor button which was failing to distribute
>> >>> spark
>> >>> to the plugs.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> How did you find out in the end?
>> >
>> > My mechanic has some impressive diagnostic tools, but they could not
>> > identify the problem.........ended up being a process of
>> > elimination........he showed me the cap and the button this
>> > morning......the cap had two fine cracks and apparently the button unit
>> > would not carry a charge..........I'm not mecahnically oriented, but I
>> > trust this explanation may make sense ? Thanks for taking the time to
>> > help.........
>> >
>>
>> No probs. There is something to be said for an old tune-up machine that
>> has
>> a display... it would have showed an irregular spark pattern which would
>> have isolated the faulty pretty easily. Even with the latest and greatest
>> diagnostic equipment available to me I still miss the old clunker
>> sometimes.
>>
> Be nice to find a circuit diagram that you could plug into a svga monitor
> to provide the same functions as an olde tunescope. Would be handy at
> home.
>

Yeah, it would. Might have a look...

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <43af2a40$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, no-one@nowhere.com
says...
>
> "Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1e18a5c2c7c1721d98978f@news.readfreenews. net...
> > In article <43abdf30$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, no-one@nowhere.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news:43ab3de9$0$9290$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> >> >
> >> > "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:43aa71e3$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> "codocks" <codocks@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >> >> news:43aa07ea$0$15404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> >> >>> The culprit was the rotor button which was failing to distribute
> >> >>> spark
> >> >>> to the plugs.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> How did you find out in the end?
> >> >
> >> > My mechanic has some impressive diagnostic tools, but they could not
> >> > identify the problem.........ended up being a process of
> >> > elimination........he showed me the cap and the button this
> >> > morning......the cap had two fine cracks and apparently the button unit
> >> > would not carry a charge..........I'm not mecahnically oriented, but I
> >> > trust this explanation may make sense ? Thanks for taking the time to
> >> > help.........
> >> >
> >>
> >> No probs. There is something to be said for an old tune-up machine that
> >> has
> >> a display... it would have showed an irregular spark pattern which would
> >> have isolated the faulty pretty easily. Even with the latest and greatest
> >> diagnostic equipment available to me I still miss the old clunker
> >> sometimes.
> >>
> > Be nice to find a circuit diagram that you could plug into a svga monitor
> > to provide the same functions as an olde tunescope. Would be handy at
> > home.
> >
>
> Yeah, it would. Might have a look...
>
Got me stuffed why the last remaining electronics mag in Australia hasn't
got a project such as this. They did do a scope using VGA some time back
but an automotive one with similar functions to the genuine article would
surely be popular. Making the pickups would be the only challenging bit I
imagine.

Al
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