Advice for recording Rage in digital

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"Chock" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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> My HDD is getting full very quickly though LOL, as I don't re-encode the
> clips to a lower resolution. Not sure if I want to do this - I can always
> burn to DVD-R if HDD space becomes a problem.
>
> - Chock

I bought a 200GB external harddrive for under $200 to solve my space probs.

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"Netmask" <netmask56NOFLEAS@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Chock - try it out with AutoGK by using the max file size of 2 gig - I
> think you will be surprised just how good it looks.
>
> If you can manage VirtualDub or NanDub plus the autocrop plugin you use a
> stream copy option that doesn't re-encode. Just bye the bye I compressed
the
> whole of Clockwork orange to 2 gig with original AC3 sound on DivX, I had
> room for 2001 as well!! The quality was excellent.
>

I downloaded DivX Create and converted a couple of the mpeg music clips
using the "high definition" setting - the results were terrible! I could
pick out compression artifacts straight away, and they were very prominent
around the song/band titles. And this is with the official converter!

What program do you use to convert to DivX?

- Chock

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"Matt McLeod" <matt@boggle.org> wrote in message
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> In aus.music Chock <no@spam.com> wrote:
> > My HDD is getting full very quickly though LOL, as I don't re-encode the
> > clips to a lower resolution. Not sure if I want to do this - I can
always
> > burn to DVD-R if HDD space becomes a problem.
>
> I found that converting clips to MPEG-4 (using DivX or XviD) with
> a reasonable bitrate gave very good results while dramatically
> reducing file size. DVD players with MPEG-4 support are getting
> quite common these days, so it's not the limiting factor it used
> to be.
>
> Matt
>

I downloaded DivX Create and converted a couple of the mpeg music clips
using the "high definition" setting - the results were terrible! I could
pick out compression artifacts straight away, and they were very prominent
around the song/band titles. And this is with the official converter!

What program do you use to convert to DivX?

- Chock

[Ext User(Matt McLeod)]

In aus.music Chock <no@spam.com> wrote:
> I downloaded DivX Create and converted a couple of the mpeg music clips
> using the "high definition" setting - the results were terrible! I could
> pick out compression artifacts straight away, and they were very prominent
> around the song/band titles. And this is with the official converter!
>
> What program do you use to convert to DivX?

On Windows, I usually use VirtualDubMod. It's not a simple
drag-and-drop deal, but it exposes all the encoder options
and has a big pile of filters available for it.

On Linux or a Mac I'd just throw it through mencoder which
usually does a pretty decent job. That has the advantage of
being very easy to script up something to do a bulk batch.

Matt

[Ext User(Netmask)]

Use AutoGK it works and produces good results with either DivX or Xvid
decoder option - just set the resolution to 720 and a 1 CD size file.

"Chock" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Matt McLeod" <matt@boggle.org> wrote in message
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>> In aus.music Chock <no@spam.com> wrote:
>> > My HDD is getting full very quickly though LOL, as I don't re-encode
>> > the
>> > clips to a lower resolution. Not sure if I want to do this - I can
> always
>> > burn to DVD-R if HDD space becomes a problem.
>>
>> I found that converting clips to MPEG-4 (using DivX or XviD) with
>> a reasonable bitrate gave very good results while dramatically
>> reducing file size. DVD players with MPEG-4 support are getting
>> quite common these days, so it's not the limiting factor it used
>> to be.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>
> I downloaded DivX Create and converted a couple of the mpeg music clips
> using the "high definition" setting - the results were terrible! I could
> pick out compression artifacts straight away, and they were very prominent
> around the song/band titles. And this is with the official converter!
>
> What program do you use to convert to DivX?
>
> - Chock
>
>
>
>

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Just whilst on this subject is there any software out there that will
take the audio streams out of a mpg recording. ie if i record rage as
an mpg (which all my tuner card will allow me to do) convert it into
L&R wav audio.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:07:44 +1100, "Chock" <no@spam.com> wrote:

>
>"DJ!" <OzDJ@clubduh.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:35:08 +1100, "Chock" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I've recently bought a digital TV tuner card for my media server PC.
>> >Everything works great. It is a DNTV Live Pro.
>> >
>> >I would like to record Rage so I can capture music videos and edit them
>into
>> >indvidual clips at a specific frame. I have done some test recording and
>it
>> >works pretty well, but I would like some clarification/advice from others
>> >who do the same type of thing.
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> Interesting timing of your post. I've just finished working my way
>> through this problem myself (FusionHDTV card). I've never spent much
>> time converting between video formats and it seems like digital TV
>> captures are inherently messy (demuxing, transport streams, ratios
>> etc) anyway.
>>
>> I found that for digital tv to DVD (or clips) google ends up being
>> more of a hinderance than a help. You'll find page after page of "If
>> you have card brand g then use a to prepare b then convert to c using
>> z but only if c was set at y with audio prepared in v...." (etc etc)
>>
>> This is what worked for me to get all of my Rage clips off the HDD.
>> Again - this is with a FusionHDTV card:
>>
>> 1. Record your program using the "Digital Capture Native MPEG" setting
>>
>> 2. Load your massive MPEG file into Video ReDo Plus
>> (http://www.videoredo.com). This would have to be the simplest and
>> most user-intuitive video editing apps I've ever used. Drag the
>> timeline slider around - select start/end points for each clip (tweak
>> by frame if desired)- save the clips as DVD-ready MPEGs (also playback
>> fine on PC through WMP).
>>
>> 3. Use Nero 7 Ultra Edition to author the DVD. Just drag in your clips
>> (at full resolution/bitrate I can get ~25-30 music videos to a 4.7GB
>> DVD-R), whip up a basic menu structure (dead easy!) and burn.
>>
>> Hope this helps. If you tweak this - or find an even easier way -
>> please share! :-)
>>
>
>I've used your method (steps 1 & 2, as I just want to store the clips on HDD
>for playing through my media server PC) and it works nicely - quick and
>simple. I like the ability to use Video ReDo to preview the clips I might
>not know by "fast forwarding", and with the playlist supplied on the Rage
>website, finding the ones I'm after is pretty easy. I especially like Video
>ReDo's frame-accuracy. Thanks for the tip.
>
>I record straight to mpeg even though VideoReDo can handle dvr-ms files. I
>just don't see the benefit of MS's "format", or with recording the whole
>transport stream.
>
>My HDD is getting full very quickly though LOL, as I don't re-encode the
>clips to a lower resolution. Not sure if I want to do this - I can always
>burn to DVD-R if HDD space becomes a problem.
>
>- Chock
>

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"Netmask" <netmask56NOFLEAS@geemail.com> wrote in news:uyOTf.12491
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> CoolEdit Pro

Get with the times.
CoolEdit Pro no longer exists or is supported. Syntrillium is no more.....
Cool Edit became Adobe Audition a LONG time Ago.....(and its much nicer
that CoolEdit everwas)
Anyone working in the "industry", as you have stated that you do would know
this, except maybe the janitor. (Which is the position I suspect you hold
within the "industry". Either that or a hairdresser)

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> "Netmask" <netmask56NOFLEAS@geemail.com> wrote in news:uyOTf.12491
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>
>> CoolEdit Pro
>
> Get with the times.
> CoolEdit Pro no longer exists or is supported. Syntrillium is no more.....
> Cool Edit became Adobe Audition a LONG time Ago.....(and its much nicer
> that CoolEdit everwas)
> Anyone working in the "industry", as you have stated that you do would
> know
> this, except maybe the janitor. (Which is the position I suspect you hold
> within the "industry". Either that or a hairdresser)


quote: Just whilst on this subject is there any software out there that will
take the audio streams out of a mpg recording. ie if i record rage as
an mpg (which all my tuner card will allow me to do) convert it into
L&R wav audio. end quote


As you can see his requirements are pretty straight forward so I recommended
CoolEdit Pro as you can easily pick up an early version that will do all he
wants to do. The KISS principle is still the best.

WaveLab is okay as is Sound Forge. Adobe Audition is an excellent upgrade
and reworking of CEP but does far more than what the original poster asked.
Actually the shareware program Goldwave will do all he asked for.

I doubt if he would need the full WAVES set of plug-ins etc which
incidentally can be used quite successfully with "old programs" like CEP
2.1 or Cakewalk but quite functioning nonetheless or a newish program like
Sonar 5 etc .

And finally a free program that will do it is ProjectX available at
http://savefile.com/projects/656375 this version has JAVA imbedded in a
standard Windows style install package and a full set of screen shots
showing how to set it up at http://savefile.com/projects/255074

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"Netmask" <netmask56@gmail.com> wrote in news:ek8Uf.13666$dy4.8422@news-
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> as you can easily pick up an early version that will do all he
> wants to do. The KISS principle is still the best.
>

You can pick up the newest Adobe Audition just as easy and it will do that
+ more. Or indeed learn to use Window Sound Editor and the official version
of ProjectX or the Oozoon.de version that you actually use yourself if you
want stand by your KISS principle idea. Both of them are easier to obtain
than what you are recommending.