Digital TV has destroyed TV

[Ext User(AA9)]

Digital TV is foul and should be axed. It has ruined TV.

Firstly, there is no reception advantage. You still have to have very
good reception to watch digital. I have only a small indoor antenna and
I got great reception... I would say I have more reception problems now
that I have digital. Turning on an electrical appliance causes it to
blank out for a second - with analog there was just snow on the screen
for a millisecond.

Someone walking around my house causes interference and therefore
pixelation. Even someone turning on the taps in my house does this.
Lightning also causes pixellation and audio stoppage. Analog tv handles
interference much better.

Widescreen has destroyed tv. Especially old footage. TV stations
cropping old 4x3 footage to 16x9 AND THEN zooming to 4x3 or 14x9, making
old footage cropped and poor quality. Foreign Correspondent one day did
a retrospective show where most of the footage was 4x3. All cropped to 16x9.

As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma,
which is INFERIOR to CRT.

[Ext User(Chriz)]

Once upon a time AA9 decided to write:

> Digital TV is foul and should be axed. It has ruined TV.
>
> Firstly, there is no reception advantage. You still have to have very
> good reception to watch digital. I have only a small indoor antenna
> and I got great reception... I would say I have more reception problems
> now that I have digital. Turning on an electrical appliance causes it
> to blank out for a second - with analog there was just snow on the screen
> for a millisecond.

I'm not sure of the STB you have, but cheaper ones like the DSC one I have
are more suceptible to this.

> Someone walking around my house causes interference and therefore
> pixelation. Even someone turning on the taps in my house does this.
> Lightning also causes pixellation and audio stoppage. Analog tv
> handles interference much better.
>
> Widescreen has destroyed tv. Especially old footage. TV stations
> cropping old 4x3 footage to 16x9 AND THEN zooming to 4x3 or 14x9,
> making old footage cropped and poor quality. Foreign Correspondent
> one day did a retrospective show where most of the footage was 4x3. All
> cropped
> to 16x9.

Haven't really seen this. A lot of things are stif in 4:3.

[Ext User(Richard Kelly)]

> As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma, which
> is INFERIOR to CRT.

I have one. 76cm widescreen HDTV 100Hz CRT. I love it.

[Ext User(Daran Murphy)]

Bit harsh really. I have digital tv here in Newcastle and a amplified
indoor antenna ($60 at DSE) and pick up Prime, NBN, ABC, ABC2, SBS, SBS2 and
SC10 perfectly. Without it I get no reception at all

The only time I get bad reception is if someone is calling on a mobile
phone.


"AA9" <nospm@email.com.au> wrote in message
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> Digital TV is foul and should be axed. It has ruined TV.
>
> Firstly, there is no reception advantage. You still have to have very good
> reception to watch digital. I have only a small indoor antenna and

[Ext User(Gazzus_Blokius)]

> As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma,
> which is INFERIOR to CRT.


Yes there is such a thing
http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=2435
that took all of 3 minutes searching, try harder next time please :-)

Garry

[Ext User()]

> I have only a small indoor antenna

That's your whole problem (re: reception/interference issues).

[Ext User(AA9)]

a wrote:
>>I have only a small indoor antenna
>
>
> That's your whole problem (re: reception/interference issues).

No, because it's the exact same setup I had with analog tv. If digital
tv is superior it should be better than analog in the same setup. To use
a better antenna would be un-scientific.

[Ext User(AA9)]

Gazzus_Blokius wrote:

>>As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma,
>>which is INFERIOR to CRT.
>
>
> Yes there is such a thing
> http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=2435
> that took all of 3 minutes searching, try harder next time please :-)

That is good to know that plasma/LCD wankery has not taken over
completly. They can take CRT from my cold, dead hand.

[Ext User(Green Day)]

"Gazzus_Blokius" <abuse@spamcop.com> wrote in message
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>
>> As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma,
>> which is INFERIOR to CRT.
>
>
> Yes there is such a thing
> http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=2435
> that took all of 3 minutes searching, try harder next time please :-)

They take a HD input, they are not HDTV thou!

[Ext User(Trim Tab)]

AA9 wrote:
> Digital TV is foul and should be axed. It has ruined TV.

Not for me ... lousy analogue reception trying everything including
filters on twin outdoor antenna has been easily bettered by digital
(Topfield PVR) using cheap indoor rabbit ears. No blips from blenders
or flouro lights. You'd have to be in the minority with that opinion,
and anyway, it would probably be remedied by an good antenna technician
or trying another digital receiver.

> As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma,
> which is INFERIOR to CRT.

You have to be either joking, in a very small room or in need of new
glasses? From 2.5m or more even SD plasma wins the easy watching
competition. Granted a good fine pitch CRT would be a better option at
short range when limited by a small room, assuming a big thick CRT
would fit, but there's no way you'd shove the couch up that close to
even a smaller plasma. Besides a couple of smaller CRT TVs, I have both
a 68cm analogue CRT in a nice quiet room and a 102cm HD plasma in
another. Without forcing anyone to watch the plasma, there's really no
guessing which one gets fought over and watched most of the time. In
fact, it has put me right off watching the perfectly good CRT TV in the
bedroom.

Most of these CRT is better than plasma opinions come from casual
glimpses of lousy in-store setups from about 1.5m. Not exactly a
'normal viewing' comparison. Even a 'huge' 86cm widescreen CRT would
get lost in many family rooms and any close-up HD perfection it may
have would wasted.

[Ext User()]

> > As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma,
> > which is INFERIOR to CRT.
>
> You have to be either joking, in a very small room or in need of new
> glasses?

Why do plasma TVs have a "lip sync" setting? Sounds inferior to me.
Also, any plasma I've seen in the stores looks like shit compared to CRT.

[Ext User(The Former Group Moderator)]

<a> wrote:
> > > As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma,
> > > which is INFERIOR to CRT.
> >
> > You have to be either joking, in a very small room or in need of new
> > glasses?
>
> Why do plasma TVs have a "lip sync" setting? Sounds inferior to me.
> Also, any plasma I've seen in the stores looks like shit compared to CRT.

Seriously, if your shit looks like that, you should see a doctor -
Today!!!

[Ext User(Gazzus_Blokius)]

"Green Day" <green@day.com> wrote in message
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> "Gazzus_Blokius" <abuse@spamcop.com> wrote in message
> news:uGktf.138499$V7.124912@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>> As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma,
>>> which is INFERIOR to CRT.
>>
>>
>> Yes there is such a thing
>> http://panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=2435
>> that took all of 3 minutes searching, try harder next time please :-)
>
> They take a HD input, they are not HDTV thou!
>

from the web site
" The PW300A displays 1080i and 576p High Definition images. When connected
to a High Definition Set-Top-Box, "

and then this

"Most TVs offer picture resolution of 625 lines with 720 samples per line.
The PW300A features a picture resolution of 833 horizontal lines with 2376
samples per line - over double that of a standard TV "

and when you add that to our hodge podge of crap "High Deff" regulations in
Australia, it will more than adequately show Channel 7 for example

--
Garry

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The Christian right is neither !
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[Ext User(Shaun)]

> Firstly, there is no reception advantage. You still have to have very good
> reception to watch digital. I have only a small indoor antenna and I got
> great reception... I would say I have more reception problems now that I
> have digital. Turning on an electrical appliance causes it to

I'd say thats more down to the SetTopBox itself, what make/model etc? I
actually have really bad reception in the bedroom with rabbit ear aerial, I
threw a STB on it and its crystal clear for all channels. No more adjusting
the aerial per channel. So I actually started thinking what a crock of sh!t
all this "You need really high quality aerials and good reception for
Digital TV" is!

> Widescreen has destroyed tv. Especially old footage. TV stations cropping
> old 4x3 footage to 16x9 AND THEN zooming to 4x3 or 14x9, making

Since when so they crop 4:3 to 16:9 then zoom it?? Most of the time all they
do is throw the original 4:3 image in the middle of the 16:9 broadcast, not
zooming or cropping anything. This is more of a broadcaster issue, not in
any way a limitation of the technology itself.

> As for HDTV, is there even such thing as CRT HDTV? It's all plasma, which
> is INFERIOR to CRT.

Of course there is HD CRT! They call it fine pitch CRT, there's plenty
around. The Panasonic 86cm tubes I've seen are brilliant, perfect HDTV where
you can actually see the difference between it and SD ! Very nice TVs.

[Ext User(ross.)]

>
> That is good to know that plasma/LCD wankery has not taken over
> completly. They can take CRT from my cold, dead hand.

You must have a massive hand to fit a whole HDTV CRT in it.

[Ext User(Shaun)]

>
> Why do plasma TVs have a "lip sync" setting? Sounds inferior to me.
> Also, any plasma I've seen in the stores looks like shit compared to CRT.
>

Well who cares about the lip sync setting? It's there for a reason incase
anyone has trouble, would you rather it not be there and have things out of
sync in some cases?

Also, seeing TVs "in the stores" is your first mistake. Most of them
wouldn't know the first thing on setting one up properly. How many times
have you seen a 4:3 source thrown at it, through a shitty composite lead,
then stretched to fill the screen? It's ridiculous ... These plasma
manufacturers should be visiting these stores making sure they set them up
properly !!

[Ext User(Trim Tab)]

>Why do plasma TVs have a "lip sync" setting? Sounds inferior to me.

An odd observation and conclusion. If it is indeed an issue in digital
TVs, then it also seems unlikely to be a plasma-only problem. It's
certainly not a problem with the built-in tuners in my plasma. It's
probably not a common issue even with a STB judging by only infrequent
mention on DBA forums - in fact I didn't realise non-tuner PDPs had
such a setting. My receiver/amp has a an audio delay setting, as does
my DVD player. Are you sure it's a typical feature of PDPs and not just
a feature of some STBs?

Occasionally lip-sync is a problem here with up-scaled DVD playback
where the audio was being feed separately through an amp. A quick tweak
of the pre-set and it's fixed - no more difficult than canceling
subtitles. When live HDTV very infrequently (like maybe once a month)
goes slightly out of sync for some reason, a quick channel reselect on
my plasma seems to fix it. Hardly an issue compared to the benefits.

It seems everyone who knocks plasma and promotes CRT, has never had
both in their house. Wake me up when someone sends their plasma back
and exchanges it for a CRT for a reason other than it was repossesed or
it didn't fit in the room.

[Ext User(Shai_dude)]

Once upon a time AA9 decided to write:

> a wrote:
>>> I have only a small indoor antenna
>>
>>
>> That's your whole problem (re: reception/interference issues).
>
> No, because it's the exact same setup I had with analog tv. If digital
> tv is superior it should be better than analog in the same setup. To
> use a better antenna would be un-scientific.

Just get a signal booster.

[Ext User(Netmask)]

The facts or the science of the matter in regard to aerials:-

Digital TV in Australia does not use signals below CH6 frequency. Channel 7
digital is on 175.5 MHz so if you have an aerial capable of picking up
signals below this frequency like CH2 or even worse an old CH0 unit - you
will pick up electrical impulse noise and a whole lot of other RF crap.
Digital TV is different and it will eventually replace analog for whole lot
of economic, political and technical reasons.

Invest in a Hills D10 or D14 or similar non Analog range antenna and you
will be surprised..


"AA9" <nospm@email.com.au> wrote in message
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>a wrote:
>>>I have only a small indoor antenna
>>
>>
>> That's your whole problem (re: reception/interference issues).
>
> No, because it's the exact same setup I had with analog tv. If digital tv
> is superior it should be better than analog in the same setup. To use a
> better antenna would be un-scientific.

[Ext User(Green Day)]

"Gazzus_Blokius" <here@there.everywhere> wrote in message
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> from the web site
> " The PW300A displays 1080i and 576p High Definition images. When
> connected to a High Definition Set-Top-Box, "

It means exactly that, it will accept a HD input (like a lot of SD Plasma's)
but it will not display them at the original resolution.

> and then this
>
> "Most TVs offer picture resolution of 625 lines with 720 samples per line.
> The PW300A features a picture resolution of 833 horizontal lines with 2376
> samples per line - over double that of a standard TV "

I rest my case!

> and when you add that to our hodge podge of crap "High Deff" regulations
> in Australia, it will more than adequately show Channel 7 for example

Channel 7 do not have HDTV despite what they claim.