this deserves wider coverage......he he he

[Ext User(jackbadger)]

http://tinyurl.com/2hauq

Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
Well done for finding this one kieronm302!

[Ext User(Deltic)]

In article
<e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.talkabo utautos.com>,
"jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq

Fascinating stuff. I believe SUV buyers are the new Volvo drivers.
People who believe that driving a certain type of vehicle will
compensate for their lack of driving skill and/or lack of confidence on
the road.

And much like the Volvos of old, these vehicles have lousy primary
safety which seems to not bother those who drive them.

This of course doesn't apply to people who use four wheels drives for
their intended purpose.

Regards

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Deltic" <nospam@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
news:nospam-1D1B66.05375712012006@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> In article
> <e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.talkabo utautos.com>,
> "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>
> Fascinating stuff. I believe SUV buyers are the new Volvo drivers.
> People who believe that driving a certain type of vehicle will
> compensate for their lack of driving skill and/or lack of confidence on
> the road.

I believe they are the new Valiant/Kingswood drivers and are one, you don't
so are not qualified to coment on the subject





>
> And much like the Volvos of old, these vehicles have lousy primary
> safety which seems to not bother those who drive them.
>
> This of course doesn't apply to people who use four wheels drives for
> their intended purpose.
>
> Regards

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>
> Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
> Well done for finding this one kieronm302!

I think to sum it up,..if you want to drive a truck, by a 4WD.

I was forced to drive Patrols and Landcruisers at work on ocassion, and I
hated every minute of it. There's no way anyone can get out of a 4wd after a
long trip and be not tired, compared to a car. The main thing is the
constant steering corrections and the thud and vibration of the heavy wheels
bouncing into your arse.

Jason

[Ext User(reg-john)]

what a shocking piece of journalism. american tripe at its finest.


"jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>
> Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
> Well done for finding this one kieronm302!
>

[Ext User(reg-john)]

"Jason James" <associate@dodo.comzapspam.au> wrote in message
news:43c5bf99$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>
> "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>>
>> Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
>> Well done for finding this one kieronm302!
>
> I think to sum it up,..if you want to drive a truck, by a 4WD.
>
> I was forced to drive Patrols and Landcruisers at work on ocassion, and I
> hated every minute of it. There's no way anyone can get out of a 4wd after
> a
> long trip and be not tired, compared to a car. The main thing is the
> constant steering corrections and the thud and vibration of the heavy
> wheels
> bouncing into your arse.

gee its a tough life :)


>
> Jason
>
>

[Ext User(Deltic)]

In article <Kkexf.213846$V7.168239@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote:

> "Deltic" <nospam@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:nospam-1D1B66.05375712012006@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> > In article
> > <e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.talkabo utautos.com>,
> > "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
> >
> > Fascinating stuff. I believe SUV buyers are the new Volvo drivers.
> > People who believe that driving a certain type of vehicle will
> > compensate for their lack of driving skill and/or lack of confidence on
> > the road.
>
> I believe they are the new Valiant/Kingswood drivers and are one, you don't
> so are not qualified to coment on the subject
>


I'm sorry but I don't understand your point.

"... and are one,"

New Valiant/Kingswood drivers are one?



>
> >
> > And much like the Volvos of old, these vehicles have lousy primary
> > safety which seems to not bother those who drive them.
> >
> > This of course doesn't apply to people who use four wheels drives for
> > their intended purpose.
> >
> > Regards
>
>

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Deltic" <nospam@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
news:nospam-661941.20193612012006@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> In article <Kkexf.213846$V7.168239@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote:
>
>> "Deltic" <nospam@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:nospam-1D1B66.05375712012006@freenews.iinet.net.au...
>> > In article
>> > <e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.talkabo utautos.com>,
>> > "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>> >
>> > Fascinating stuff. I believe SUV buyers are the new Volvo drivers.
>> > People who believe that driving a certain type of vehicle will
>> > compensate for their lack of driving skill and/or lack of confidence on
>> > the road.
>>
>> I believe they are the new Valiant/Kingswood drivers and are one, you
>> don't
>> so are not qualified to coment on the subject

Are the new 4x4 drivers

>
>
> I'm sorry but I don't understand your point.
>
> "... and are one,"
>
> New Valiant/Kingswood drivers are one?
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> > And much like the Volvos of old, these vehicles have lousy primary
>> > safety which seems to not bother those who drive them.
>> >
>> > This of course doesn't apply to people who use four wheels drives for
>> > their intended purpose.
>> >
>> > Regards
>>
>>

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Deltic" <nospam@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
news:nospam-1D1B66.05375712012006@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> In article
> <e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.talkabo utautos.com>,
> "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>
> Fascinating stuff. I believe SUV buyers are the new Volvo drivers.
> People who believe that driving a certain type of vehicle will
> compensate for their lack of driving skill and/or lack of confidence on
> the road.

And I believe those that proclaim them to be ill handling and , think 4x4
drivers are unskilled are probably the product of passing their driving
tests in an automatic power steering Laser, and hence foreth just think they
are skilled.

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Jason James" <associate@dodo.comzapspam.au> wrote in message
news:43c5bf99$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>
> "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>>
>> Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
>> Well done for finding this one kieronm302!
>
> I think to sum it up,..if you want to drive a truck, by a 4WD.
>
> I was forced to drive Patrols and Landcruisers at work on ocassion, and I
> hated every minute of it. There's no way anyone can get out of a 4wd after
> a
> long trip and be not tired, compared to a car. The main thing is the
> constant steering corrections and the thud and vibration of the heavy
> wheels
> bouncing into your arse.
>
> Jason

You probably just lack the skills to drive one safely.

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote in message
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> "Jason James" <associate@dodo.comzapspam.au> wrote in message
> news:43c5bf99$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> >
> > "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
> >>
> >> Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
> >> Well done for finding this one kieronm302!
> >
> > I think to sum it up,..if you want to drive a truck, by a 4WD.
> >
> > I was forced to drive Patrols and Landcruisers at work on ocassion, and
I
> > hated every minute of it. There's no way anyone can get out of a 4wd
after
> > a
> > long trip and be not tired, compared to a car. The main thing is the
> > constant steering corrections and the thud and vibration of the heavy
> > wheels
> > bouncing into your arse.
> >
> > Jason
>
> You probably just lack the skills to drive one safely.

Huh? What's the secret? I did on and off 20 yrs driving the damn things on
trips such as Dubbo to Bourke (400+Ks).

Jason

[Ext User(googlegroups@sensation.net.au)]

Jason James wrote:
> "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
> >
> > Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
> > Well done for finding this one kieronm302!
>
> I think to sum it up,..if you want to drive a truck, by a 4WD.
>
> I was forced to drive Patrols and Landcruisers at work on ocassion, and I
> hated every minute of it. There's no way anyone can get out of a 4wd after a
> long trip and be not tired, compared to a car. The main thing is the
> constant steering corrections and the thud and vibration of the heavy wheels
> bouncing into your arse.

The only 4WD/AWD I've driven is a Territory but the first thing I
noticed was that the back end liked to sway a bit on the highway. The
rear seat passengers commented on this as well. It was a preproduction
model so I don't know if this was addressed in the final release, or
it's inherent in the style/size of vehicle. Is a Territory a "raised
falcon" or are the only falcon bits the ugly plastic dash?

[Ext User(Bugalugs)]

Jason James wrote:
> "Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote in message
> news:t8rxf.214439$V7.135691@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>

>
>
> Huh? What's the secret? I did on and off 20 yrs driving the damn things on
> trips such as Dubbo to Bourke (400+Ks).
>
> Jason
>
>

So you would have preferred to do that trip in a mini ?????

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Bugalugs" <bugalugs67@netscape.net!> wrote in message
news:SGzxf.14328$vH5.769498@news.xtra.co.nz...
> Jason James wrote:
>> "Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote in message
>> news:t8rxf.214439$V7.135691@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>
>>
>>
>> Huh? What's the secret? I did on and off 20 yrs driving the damn things
>> on
>> trips such as Dubbo to Bourke (400+Ks).
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>
> So you would have preferred to do that trip in a mini ?????

If the Mini was jacked up four inches, had good AC and 4WD. Fun trip

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"Bugalugs" <bugalugs67@netscape.net!> wrote in message
news:SGzxf.14328$vH5.769498@news.xtra.co.nz...
> Jason James wrote:
> > "Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote in message
> > news:t8rxf.214439$V7.135691@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
>
> >
> >
> > Huh? What's the secret? I did on and off 20 yrs driving the damn things
on
> > trips such as Dubbo to Bourke (400+Ks).
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
>
> So you would have preferred to do that trip in a mini ?????

No, a Falcon would have done.It's a bitsumin highway. The only reason we had
to take 4WDs was for the crappy access roads to our installations on
properties. So they were essential in this case.

Jason

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Jason James wrote:
> "Bugalugs" <bugalugs67@netscape.net!> wrote in message
> news:SGzxf.14328$vH5.769498@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
>>Jason James wrote:
>>
>>>"Rainbow Warrior" <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote in message
>>>news:t8rxf.214439$V7.135691@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>Huh? What's the secret? I did on and off 20 yrs driving the damn things
>
> on
>
>>>trips such as Dubbo to Bourke (400+Ks).
>>>
>>>Jason
>>>
>>>
>>
>>So you would have preferred to do that trip in a mini ?????
>
>
> No, a Falcon would have done.It's a bitsumin highway. The only reason we had
> to take 4WDs was for the crappy access roads to our installations on
> properties. So they were essential in this case.
>
>
If you are talking about older leaf spring on all corners 4WD's then
they do ride fairly firm and can be uncomfortable on a long drive but
any of the later coil sprung 4WDs from the early 90's on didn't suffer
those problems.
I owned a SWB 40 series Cruiser which rode very hard but I solved most
of the discomfort by fitting Honda Prelude seats, I suspect most of
problems with the lack of comfort is to do with the very ordinary OE
seats fitted to early models.
Current model 4WD's are very comfortable, a Land Rover Discovery is one
of the best riding vehicles I ever driven, it was as good if not better
than the NC11 Fairlane I owned.


Daryl

[Ext User(Kieron)]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:52:48 GMT, "reg-john" <mcflyyyyyyy@keke.com>
wrote:

>what a shocking piece of journalism. american tripe at its finest.

LOL, because it doesn't fit what you believe eh!
Prett stock comeback

[Ext User(reg-john)]

"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43c72fdc.119959640@203.50.2.233...
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:52:48 GMT, "reg-john" <mcflyyyyyyy@keke.com>
> wrote:
>
>>what a shocking piece of journalism. american tripe at its finest.
>
> LOL, because it doesn't fit what you believe eh!
> Prett stock comeback

no, becuase it folds in about 3 parts assumption/factually incorrect data
and 3 parts hyperbole into one part storyline.

[Ext User(Kev)]

Jason James wrote:

> "jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>
>>http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>>
>>Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
>>Well done for finding this one kieronm302!
>
>
> I think to sum it up,..if you want to drive a truck, by a 4WD.
>
> I was forced to drive Patrols and Landcruisers at work on ocassion, and I
> hated every minute of it. There's no way anyone can get out of a 4wd after a
> long trip and be not tired, compared to a car. The main thing is the
> constant steering corrections and the thud and vibration of the heavy wheels
> bouncing into your arse.
>
> Jason
>
>
Well utes are different to the wagons as in any class of vehicle
I had an XB ute once, frigging rough riding dunger it was
I've owned 3 Hilux utes(still own one), all rough as guts(drove one to
Mildura and back, ARRGH that was bad)

I drove my 100 series from Sydney to Brisbane and never once felt
fatigued by it, that was after working a half day, driving to Sydney
from Brisbane, spending a few hours checking the thing out and organisng
the cheques and regos and shit then driving home

if it was a ute then I would have had to stop at a motel for the night
for sure

Kev

[Ext User(Kev)]

googlegroups@sensation.net.au wrote:

> Jason James wrote:
>
>>"jackbadger" <castle56@keepitcar.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:e8f3917b54b9a9bb5dd9c5147bd9e3fb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/2hauq
>>>
>>>Mentioned elsewhere here but trully worthy of its own thread.
>>>Well done for finding this one kieronm302!
>>
>>I think to sum it up,..if you want to drive a truck, by a 4WD.
>>
>>I was forced to drive Patrols and Landcruisers at work on ocassion, and I
>>hated every minute of it. There's no way anyone can get out of a 4wd after a
>>long trip and be not tired, compared to a car. The main thing is the
>>constant steering corrections and the thud and vibration of the heavy wheels
>>bouncing into your arse.
>
>
> The only 4WD/AWD I've driven is a Territory but the first thing I
> noticed was that the back end liked to sway a bit on the highway. The
> rear seat passengers commented on this as well. It was a preproduction
> model so I don't know if this was addressed in the final release, or
> it's inherent in the style/size of vehicle. Is a Territory a "raised
> falcon" or are the only falcon bits the ugly plastic dash?
>
There are many Falcon bits on the Territory(the dash is a narrowed
version of the Falcon one) but the chassis/body/suspension is different

Kev