Re: Ever so slightly OT - Mobile phone ring tones

[Ext User(Horry)]

On 20 Jan 2006 22:22:00 -0800, TFGM wrote:

> OK, I have a small dilemma. Just before Christmas, my elderly mother
> became suddenly quite ill and was hospitalised. A friend of mine
> offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with the
> relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone. Now to
> cheer her up on Christmas day, I changed the ring tone to "Jingle
> Bells" but not knowing anything about mobile phones, I couldn't set
> that particular tone as a default, so in desperation, I deleted all the
> other ring tones so that there was just the one tone. That worked fine
> and seemed to make her happy. So now the old bat has passed on, my
> 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
> hence my dilemma. How can I find and download the original ringtones to
> the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
> him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me, because I'm
> already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
> for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
> made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.
> Anyway, if anyone knows how to get the tones, it's a Nokia 5110 model.
> Thanks in advance.

I think you'll need to take it into a Nokia Service Centre, but I may be
wrong.

[Ext User(mark jb)]

>> OK, I have a small dilemma. Just before Christmas, my elderly mother
>> became suddenly quite ill and was hospitalised. A friend of mine
>> offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with the
>> relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone. Now to
>> cheer her up on Christmas day, I changed the ring tone to "Jingle
>> Bells" but not knowing anything about mobile phones, I couldn't set
>> that particular tone as a default, so in desperation, I deleted all the
>> other ring tones so that there was just the one tone. That worked fine
>> and seemed to make her happy. So now the old bat has passed on, my
>> 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
>> hence my dilemma. How can I find and download the original ringtones to
>> the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
>> him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me, because I'm
>> already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
>> for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
>> made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.
>> Anyway, if anyone knows how to get the tones, it's a Nokia 5110 model.
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> I think you'll need to take it into a Nokia Service Centre, but I may be
> wrong.
>

Just give it back and tell him to get fucked/forget to mention the lack of
ringtones.
Also get a copy of the bill and pay it yourself, instead of giving him the
cash to pay it.

BTW... How the hell did you manage to delete the ringtones on a 5110?
They're part of the firmware...

-mark

-mark

[Ext User(TFGM)]

mark jb wrote:
> >> OK, I have a small dilemma. Just before Christmas, my elderly mother
> >> became suddenly quite ill and was hospitalised. A friend of mine
> >> offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with the
> >> relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone. Now to
> >> cheer her up on Christmas day, I changed the ring tone to "Jingle
> >> Bells" but not knowing anything about mobile phones, I couldn't set
> >> that particular tone as a default, so in desperation, I deleted all the
> >> other ring tones so that there was just the one tone. That worked fine
> >> and seemed to make her happy. So now the old bat has passed on, my
> >> 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
> >> hence my dilemma. How can I find and download the original ringtones to
> >> the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
> >> him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me, because I'm
> >> already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
> >> for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
> >> made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.
> >> Anyway, if anyone knows how to get the tones, it's a Nokia 5110 model.
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >
> > I think you'll need to take it into a Nokia Service Centre, but I may be
> > wrong.
> >
>
> Just give it back and tell him to get fucked/forget to mention the lack of
> ringtones.
> Also get a copy of the bill and pay it yourself, instead of giving him the
> cash to pay it.

Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
legal responsibilities.

[Ext User(grumpy@mailinator.com)]

On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>
> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> legal responsibilities.

If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.

[Ext User(Horry)]

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, grumpy@mailinator.com wrote:

> On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
>> legal responsibilities.
>
> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.

No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
company, NOT the original poster.

[Ext User(TFGM)]

Horry wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, grumpy@mailinator.com wrote:
>
> > On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >> legal responsibilities.
> >
> > If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
>
> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> company, NOT the original poster.

Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
address of each person who made a call.

[Ext User(Horry)]

On 21 Jan 2006 14:22:51 -0800, TFGM wrote:

> Horry wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, grumpy@mailinator.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
>>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
>>>> legal responsibilities.
>>>
>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
>>
>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
>> company, NOT the original poster.
>
> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> address of each person who made a call.

It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
way in which they are.

A lot of people seem not to understand these basic points.

[Ext User(TFGM)]

Horry wrote:
> On 21 Jan 2006 14:22:51 -0800, TFGM wrote:
>
> > Horry wrote:
> >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, grumpy@mailinator.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >>>> legal responsibilities.
> >>>
> >>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
> >>
> >> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> >> company, NOT the original poster.
> >
> > Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> > the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> > the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> > billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> > address of each person who made a call.
>
> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
> way in which they are.
>
> A lot of people seem not to understand these basic points.

You sure are right there. The only way this could be possible would be
if everyone on the planet had their own unique code that had to be
entered into the phone before you could make a call (except for 911
calls of course). But with a world population of over 6000 million
people, it would be a mightly long set of digits to enter in to make a
simple call (except for 911 calls of course). So even though it
wouldn't be impossible, it would certainly be complicated.

[Ext User(Giles)]

> > A friend of mine
> > offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with the
> > relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone.
> > So now the old bat has passed on, my
> > 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
Are you serious - you think your friend's an indian giver, after he
lent you the phone (and SIM) and now wants you to return it?

> > How can I find and download the original ringtones to
> > the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
> > him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me,
Horace is right; easiest way to restore his phone is to get a service
centre to reflash the firmware.

> > I'm
> > already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
> > for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
> > made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.
You realise that 'local calls' aren't a fixed untimed cost when made
from a mobile, right? Should be reasonably easy to establish the cost
of the calls your mum made - ask for a copy of his bill and pay for the
calls made during the time you borrowed the phone.

[Ext User(TFGM)]

Giles wrote:
> > > A friend of mine
> > > offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with the
> > > relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone.
> > > So now the old bat has passed on, my
> > > 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
> Are you serious - you think your friend's an indian giver, after he
> lent you the phone (and SIM) and now wants you to return it?
>
> > > How can I find and download the original ringtones to
> > > the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
> > > him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me,
> Horace is right; easiest way to restore his phone is to get a service
> centre to reflash the firmware.
>
> > > I'm
> > > already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
> > > for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
> > > made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.

> You realise that 'local calls' aren't a fixed untimed cost when made
> from a mobile, right? Should be reasonably easy to establish the cost
> of the calls your mum made - ask for a copy of his bill and pay for the
> calls made during the time you borrowed the phone.

Even if there WAS some legal requirement for the USER of the phone to
pay the OWNER for the call, it was my ex mother who made the call and
not me, and now she's passed on, he'd have a hard time making her pay.

[Ext User(thegoons)]

The whole thread has been initiated by this troll

"TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1137879877.801884.127230@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>
> mark jb wrote:
>> >> OK, I have a small dilemma. Just before Christmas, my elderly mother
>> >> became suddenly quite ill and was hospitalised. A friend of mine
>> >> offered me an old mobile phone for her to use to stay in touch with
>> >> the
>> >> relatives, particularly over Christmas when she'd be alone. Now to
>> >> cheer her up on Christmas day, I changed the ring tone to "Jingle
>> >> Bells" but not knowing anything about mobile phones, I couldn't set
>> >> that particular tone as a default, so in desperation, I deleted all
>> >> the
>> >> other ring tones so that there was just the one tone. That worked fine
>> >> and seemed to make her happy. So now the old bat has passed on, my
>> >> 'Indian-Giving" ex-friend is demanding his pathetic mobile phone back,
>> >> hence my dilemma. How can I find and download the original ringtones
>> >> to
>> >> the phone before I give it back to him? I want to return the phone to
>> >> him in the same condition as it was when he gave it to me, because I'm
>> >> already getting grief from him by him 'claiming' that the phone bill
>> >> for one month was over $570 which I find impossible to believe as I
>> >> made sure it was only used for local calls - but that's another story.
>> >> Anyway, if anyone knows how to get the tones, it's a Nokia 5110 model.
>> >> Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > I think you'll need to take it into a Nokia Service Centre, but I may
>> > be
>> > wrong.
>> >
>>
>> Just give it back and tell him to get fucked/forget to mention the lack
>> of
>> ringtones.
>> Also get a copy of the bill and pay it yourself, instead of giving him
>> the
>> cash to pay it.
>
> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> legal responsibilities.
>

[Ext User(thegoons)]

You are a fuckwit. Irrespective of whose name the contract is in (and has
legal responsibility), if you were in any-way decent, you would reimburse
him for all the calls that have been made by your mum whilst she used the
phone. Crikey, the bloke was good enough to loan you the phone (were you too
miserable to buy a prepaid) yet you have the hide and audacity to complain
when he expects the phone back and reimbursement for the calls. Loonie you
are!

"TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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>
> Horry wrote:
>> On 21 Jan 2006 14:22:51 -0800, TFGM wrote:
>>
>> > Horry wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, grumpy@mailinator.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
>> >>>> legal responsibilities.
>> >>>
>> >>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay
>> >>> the bill.
>> >>
>> >> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
>> >> company, NOT the original poster.
>> >
>> > Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
>> > the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
>> > the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
>> > billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
>> > address of each person who made a call.
>>
>> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the
>> telco
>> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn
>> the
>> way in which they are.
>>
>> A lot of people seem not to understand these basic points.
>
> You sure are right there. The only way this could be possible would be
> if everyone on the planet had their own unique code that had to be
> entered into the phone before you could make a call (except for 911
> calls of course). But with a world population of over 6000 million
> people, it would be a mightly long set of digits to enter in to make a
> simple call (except for 911 calls of course). So even though it
> wouldn't be impossible, it would certainly be complicated.
>

[Ext User(Horry)]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:14:31 +1100, thegoons wrote:

> You are a fuckwit. Irrespective of whose name the contract is in (and has
> legal responsibility), if you were in any-way decent, you would reimburse
> him for all the calls that have been made by your mum whilst she used the
> phone. Crikey, the bloke was good enough to loan you the phone (were you too
> miserable to buy a prepaid) yet you have the hide and audacity to complain
> when he expects the phone back and reimbursement for the calls. Loonie you
> are!

Hello? We were talking about the *legal* position, not your sense of
morality.

I can see both sides of the picture. In my opinion, the son should pay
half ($285) and the "friend" should pay the other $285. But that's just my
moral position, not the legal one.



> "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:1137884430.679768.297890@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> Horry wrote:
>>> On 21 Jan 2006 14:22:51 -0800, TFGM wrote:
>>>
>>> > Horry wrote:
>>> >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:59:04 GMT, grumpy@mailinator.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 21 Jan 2006 13:44:37 -0800, "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it
>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
>>> >>>> legal responsibilities.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay
>>> >>> the bill.
>>> >>
>>> >> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
>>> >> company, NOT the original poster.
>>> >
>>> > Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
>>> > the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
>>> > the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
>>> > billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
>>> > address of each person who made a call.
>>>
>>> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the
>>> telco
>>> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn
>>> the
>>> way in which they are.
>>>
>>> A lot of people seem not to understand these basic points.
>>
>> You sure are right there. The only way this could be possible would be
>> if everyone on the planet had their own unique code that had to be
>> entered into the phone before you could make a call (except for 911
>> calls of course). But with a world population of over 6000 million
>> people, it would be a mightly long set of digits to enter in to make a
>> simple call (except for 911 calls of course). So even though it
>> wouldn't be impossible, it would certainly be complicated.
>>

[Ext User(thegoons)]

"TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1137884903.024262.266660@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Even if there WAS some legal requirement for the USER of the phone to
> pay the OWNER for the call, it was my ex mother who made the call and
> not me, and now she's passed on, he'd have a hard time making her pay.

But anybody half-decent with morals would pay the guy if you had borrowed
the phone and your mother had made the calls. You are nothing but an
arrogant prick. He might not legally be able to make you repay him, however
you might also not be able to stop him throwing a brick through your front
window either.

[Ext User(TFGM)]

thegoons wrote:
> "TFGM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:1137884903.024262.266660@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > Even if there WAS some legal requirement for the USER of the phone to
> > pay the OWNER for the call, it was my ex mother who made the call and
> > not me, and now she's passed on, he'd have a hard time making her pay.
>
> But anybody half-decent with morals would pay the guy if you had borrowed
> the phone and your mother had made the calls. You are nothing but an
> arrogant prick.

Just because this might be YOUR moral position, that doesn't mean it is
everyone elses moral position. Please don't try to force YOUR beliefs
and morals on others.

> He might not legally be able to make you repay him, however

Now you are getting the idea of this thread. We are talking about the
LEGAL position, not YOUR moral standing on the issue. I'm glad you
FINALLY caught up.

> you might also not be able to stop him throwing a brick through your front
> window either.

Of course I can't stop him, but I can legally force him to pay for the
damage he caused, and hopefully a short term in
prison/jail/gaol/watchhouse. But I suppose you have some MORAL standing
on this also that you wish to force down our throat?

[Ext User(TFGM)]

Horry wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:14:31 +1100, thegoons wrote:
>
> > You are a fuckwit. Irrespective of whose name the contract is in (and has
> > legal responsibility), if you were in any-way decent, you would reimburse
> > him for all the calls that have been made by your mum whilst she used the
> > phone. Crikey, the bloke was good enough to loan you the phone (were you too
> > miserable to buy a prepaid) yet you have the hide and audacity to complain
> > when he expects the phone back and reimbursement for the calls. Loonie you
> > are!
>
> Hello? We were talking about the *legal* position, not your sense of
> morality.

Whatever happened to that woman who used to tell people to read what is
typed and not what they think is typed. It's moments like this that I
really miss her.

[Ext User(Josh B)]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:59:15 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
personalities) said......


> >>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >>>> legal responsibilities.
> >>>
> >>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
> >>
> >> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> >> company, NOT the original poster.
> >
> > Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> > the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> > the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> > billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> > address of each person who made a call.
>
> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
> way in which they are.

What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and address
before each phone call was made?

[Ext User(Horry)]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:28:40 +1100, Josh B wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:59:15 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
> personalities) said......
>
>
>>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
>>>>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
>>>>>> legal responsibilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
>>>>
>>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
>>>> company, NOT the original poster.
>>>
>>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
>>> the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
>>> the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
>>> billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
>>> address of each person who made a call.
>>
>> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
>> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
>> way in which they are.
>
> What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and address
> before each phone call was made?

Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud prevention
mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh B" and your address
before each call.

[Ext User(TFGM)]

Horry wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:28:40 +1100, Josh B wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:59:15 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
> > personalities) said......
> >
> >
> >>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >>>>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >>>>>> legal responsibilities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
> >>>>
> >>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> >>>> company, NOT the original poster.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> >>> the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> >>> the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> >>> billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> >>> address of each person who made a call.
> >>
> >> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
> >> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
> >> way in which they are.
> >
> > What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and address
> > before each phone call was made?
>
> Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud prevention
> mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh B" and your address
> before each call.

To stop fraud, they could require you to send your name and address via
an sms message before each call, plus a unique 10 digit pin number that
is unique to each different person in the world. That way, the carrier
could check your details against your number before each call. It would
also help reduce unemployment too.

[Ext User(Josh B)]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:59:14 +1030, Horry (or one of their many
personalities) said......


> >>>>>> Why should I pay for the phone bill? It's HIS phone, and legally it is
> >>>>>> HIS responsibility to pay. People like him need to face up to thier
> >>>>>> legal responsibilities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If your mother made the calls then it is *YOUR* responsibility to pay the bill.
> >>>>
> >>>> No it isn't. The friend is the one who is contracted with with mobile
> >>>> company, NOT the original poster.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly. It isn't like a speeding ticket where the DRIVER rather than
> >>> the OWNER pays the fine. With a mobile phone, it's the OWNER who gets
> >>> the bill, not whoever used the phone. Imagine how complicated the
> >>> billing process would be if the telco had to determine the name and
> >>> address of each person who made a call.
> >>
> >> It wouldn't just be complicated; it would be impossible. How is the telco
> >> to know who made the calls? That's why the mobile contracts are drawn the
> >> way in which they are.
> >
> > What if you had to send the carrier an SMS with your name and address
> > before each phone call was made?
>
> Not a bad idea, but there'd have to be some sort of fraud prevention
> mechanism in place. Otherwise I'd just send in "Josh B" and your address
> before each call.

The Big Three Carriers could have hundreds of teams constantly mobilised
in each suburb of Australia. As soon as an SMS comes in it would be sent
to a team who would visit the address and check if the person lived there.
If no one was at home they could look through the mail box.

The smaller carriers could contract one of the Big Three to do this for
them.