Battery Relocation regulations

[Ext User(_Scott_)]

Hi Guys

I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
fitted etc.

I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
there might be a better way.

Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run a
600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?

cheers
Scott

[Ext User(Blondie)]

why don't you ask the ADR or NSW RTA, they will tell you.
"_Scott_" <efi5l@NOSPAMwestnet.com.auNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys
>
> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
> fitted etc.
>
> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
> there might be a better way.
>
> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run
> a 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?
>
> cheers
> Scott
>

[Ext User(Brenden Will)]

I'm pretty sure you need a triangle sticker to point out the location of the
battery. From memory it's a blue triangle and is available from ANDRA.
"_Scott_" <efi5l@NOSPAMwestnet.com.auNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:43dcb779$0$1046$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> Hi Guys
>
> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
> fitted etc.
>
> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
> there might be a better way.
>
> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run
> a 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?
>
> cheers
> Scott
>

[Ext User(Brenden Will)]

Another component in that battery system you'll need is a switch so you can
turn the battery power off from the boot.
"Brenden Will" <brenx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm pretty sure you need a triangle sticker to point out the location of
> the battery. From memory it's a blue triangle and is available from ANDRA.
> "_Scott_" <efi5l@NOSPAMwestnet.com.auNOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:43dcb779$0$1046$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
>> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
>> fitted etc.
>>
>> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
>> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
>> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
>> there might be a better way.
>>
>> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
>> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run
>> a 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?
>>
>> cheers
>> Scott
>>
>
>

[Ext User(John B)]

_Scott_ wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
> fitted etc.
>
<...>
I think it has to be a non venting type battery (don't know what type
that is) from a friend with a skyline with one in the boot who got
defected for noncomp.

--
JB

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"John B" <jbngspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> _Scott_ wrote:
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
>> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
>> fitted etc.
>>
> <...>
> I think it has to be a non venting type battery (don't know what type that
> is) from a friend with a skyline with one in the boot who got defected for
> noncomp.

Odyssey or a gel type battery. Bring your wallet.

Fraser

[Ext User(atec77)]

_Scott_ wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
> fitted etc.
>
> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
> there might be a better way.
>
> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run a
> 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?
>
> cheers
> Scott
>
>
>
nees to be a separate enclosure in the boot with vent to the outside . ,
take a look at marine type battery containers . ( in my state anyway)

[Ext User(tlai909@visto.com)]

This is a load of bullshit.

The R33 has the battery in the boot and I'm guessing 99% of them do not
have dry type batteries.

[Ext User(_Scott_)]

>>
>>
>>
> nees to be a separate enclosure in the boot with vent to the outside . ,
> take a look at marine type battery containers . ( in my state anyway)

Hi,

Yeah thats what I was wondering if I could get away with a normal batter
just vented outside if its all too hard I will spend my money on an Odyssey.
Money isnt the issue its the finish of the job & the quality of the product.

cheers
Scott

[Ext User(The Red Krawler)]

> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
> fitted etc.

Screw regulations, they only matter if you get busted doing naughty things.
Use common sense though - make sure its a maintainence free battery, and in
a sealed box which is ported to the outside world. I just use a pre-made
battery box with built in circuit breaker and rely on the non-sealing seals
in the boot of my VL to look after ventilation. Also, put a switch as close
to battery as you can. In an emergency, you wanna be able to shut it down
quick smart _AND_ you wanna make sure you're shutting it down before the
problem. Not much point putting the switch after 8m of battery cable, the
problem could be between terminal and switch :)

> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
> there might be a better way.

Grommets are good, also use twin sheath wiring. And make sure its 00 guage
or better yeah? DONT use single guage, its no way big enough. I'm running 00
guage in a VL, and thats barely adequate. The previous owner used single
guage, and it damn near set the car on fire. There is no way single guage
can carry the current of a starter over that distance - 12V has BIG voltage
drops yeah?

> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run
> a 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?

Bigger the better :)

[Ext User(athol)]

_Scott_ <efi5l@nospamwestnet.com.aunospam> wrote:

> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
> fitted etc.

Nothing in ADRs, but there is in NSW regs.

> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
> there might be a better way.

The battery must be enclosed in an insulated box - plastic marine box is
okay, as is any other type of box with an insulated lining to prevent shorting
of battery posts against inside of box.

The battery has to be secured to the structure of the vehicle. That means
that you need a battery clamp through the bottom of the box and floor, with
reinforcing plate(s) under the floor.

The battery box must have a drain through to under the vehicle and must not
be sealed at the top. Enclosed but not sealed...

> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run a
> 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?

Regardless of whether the battery is "sealed" or not, the rules are the
same.

Only original manufacturers can get away with doing it without complying
with the above.

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<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Ext User(_Scott_)]

"The Red Krawler" <redkrawler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
>> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
>> fitted etc.
>
> Screw regulations, they only matter if you get busted doing naughty
> things. Use common sense though - make sure its a maintainence free
> battery, and in a sealed box which is ported to the outside world. I just
> use a pre-made battery box with built in circuit breaker and rely on the
> non-sealing seals in the boot of my VL to look after ventilation. Also,
> put a switch as close to battery as you can. In an emergency, you wanna be
> able to shut it down quick smart _AND_ you wanna make sure you're shutting
> it down before the problem. Not much point putting the switch after 8m of
> battery cable, the problem could be between terminal and switch :)
>
>> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
>> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
>> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
>> there might be a better way.
>
> Grommets are good, also use twin sheath wiring. And make sure its 00 guage
> or better yeah? DONT use single guage, its no way big enough. I'm running
> 00 guage in a VL, and thats barely adequate. The previous owner used
> single guage, and it damn near set the car on fire. There is no way single
> guage can carry the current of a starter over that distance - 12V has BIG
> voltage drops yeah?
>
>> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
>> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run
>> a 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?
>
> Bigger the better :)
>
Thanks Krawley,

Yeah the wite is more than sufficient voltage drop over 5.5m of cable used
is .2 of a volt under load .3 which im happy with.

Wire is completely enclused in corragated tubing, I used armoured stuff from
turks in areas where it could be damaged.

I think I will go for an Odyssey, Im not worried about the cost mainly the
quality, I wonder how long they last.

cheers
scott

[Ext User(The Raven)]

"_Scott_" <efi5l@NOSPAMwestnet.com.auNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:43dcb779$0$1046$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> Hi Guys
>
> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
> fitted etc.
>
> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
> there might be a better way.
>
> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run
> a 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?

Usual requirement is a vented battery box and/or a sealed battery. Some less
informed police demand an Engineers Report before they'll declare one legal
(if found, in Vic).

I've had a remote battery in one of my cars for donkeys ages, which I'll
also admit has been off the road a while. The Engineer who inspected it had
no problems because I had covered the basics:

1. Battery tray bolted to boot floor, no need having things sliding around.
2. Marine battery case fitted to tray, protects battery etc.
3. Battery secured using standard battery hold-downs. Through the box and
secured to the battery tray.
4. No specific venting, given that most batteries will never generate enough
hydrogen to fill any bootspace. However, if you have the cash to spare a
sealed "non-venting" battery is best.
5. Battery switch (Bosch Style), which saved me once when the main lead came
off the starter and grounded on the transmission. Arguments abound on
whether to put the switch on the negative or positive (I went positive).
6. Carefully routed battery lead, avoiding sharp/hot objects. Under car was
fine and generally will get less abrasion than sticking it between the
carpet and floor.
7. Large diameter wire to the starter, it's a much longer distance than
what's standard on most cars.
8. A very good earth. Amazing what the cranking difference is with a very
good earth.
9. Large connections at all points, doesn't introduce resistance etc.

I've also separated the main starter lead from the rest of the electricals.
A separate large diameter wire (not necessarily a battery lead) and a high
amperage cut out switch were added. Can cut the starter while maintaining
power to the rest of the car....helps with theft protection.



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** Now I will bring chaos to the world!

[Ext User(The Raven)]

"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:1138692457.374878@idlweb...
> _Scott_ <efi5l@nospamwestnet.com.aunospam> wrote:
>
>> I need to relocate my battery to the boot just wondering if there are any
>> ADR or NSW RTA regulations about mounting the battery if vents need to be
>> fitted etc.
>
> Nothing in ADRs, but there is in NSW regs.

I recall something similar for ACT, which is most likely to be similar but
different just to keep the pollies happy.

>
>> I have run the power cable to the boot in protected tubing with rubber
>> grommets at each point it travels through a body panel (firewall).
>> I was thinking about mounting the battery in a battery box, but I thought
>> there might be a better way.
>
> The battery must be enclosed in an insulated box - plastic marine box is
> okay, as is any other type of box with an insulated lining to prevent
> shorting
> of battery posts against inside of box.
>
> The battery has to be secured to the structure of the vehicle. That means
> that you need a battery clamp through the bottom of the box and floor,
> with
> reinforcing plate(s) under the floor.

Interesting, just what I did through logic. Engineer was happy with it in
Vic.


> The battery box must have a drain through to under the vehicle and must
> not
> be sealed at the top. Enclosed but not sealed...

I have no drain but anything that would cause the battery to spew any liquid
would be more significant than the liquid spewing itself.

Enclosed but not sealed, thinking on that it makes sense. Which provides a
greater risk explosion: a small enclosed volume of hydrogen gas (eg. sealed
battery box) or a much larger volume and generally leaky boot?

> Would I be better going for something like a sealed Odyssey battery? are
>> their CCA measurements the same as a normal type battery, I currently run
>> a
>> 600cca battery meaning I would need a 600cca Odyssey?
>
> Regardless of whether the battery is "sealed" or not, the rules are the
> same.

The car came with one of those "Switch" dry plate batteries sold during the
late 80's and early 90's. Was pretty crap in my opinion but that switch came
in handy for the last few months of it's life.

> Only original manufacturers can get away with doing it without complying
> with the above.

I know the MX-5 has a battery in the boot, anyone know what kind it is
(other than Mazda's typically "ridiculously expensive" parts price)?


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** Now I will bring chaos to the world!