Warning about a CONMAN using ebay. This is real.

[Ext User(Untermensch)]

Check out this feedback :

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions

We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
suddenly and we got out.

The guy is a crook supposedly working out of Bundaberg but who knows.
He has email addresses of itsupplies@aapt.com.au
alex@sfant-au.org

Another way people became sus. was the varying id's and the second chance
offers didnt come thru ebay.
But too late for some who lost upwards of $3000 each for payment of Toshiba
Qosmio laptops that never got sent.

He advertised as having 9 for sale, we bid up to $1500 for one but got
outbid by $1300. The winning bidder got nothing for his $2800 and all the
other bidders got second chance offers in the hope they would jump at cheap
new laptops.
He got paid by bank deposit (DOH!!)
and then left people with no further contact. We spoke to him over the phone
(Qld land line) and he seemed genuine.

A few very pissed off people out there and the cops are gonna be involved.

Did I mention we nearly fell for it but hung off on paying immediately......

There are more details, email those on his feedback list for more info so
maybe word can get out. He apparently is very smooth and convincing.

[Ext User(Tony Smith)]

Untermensch wrote:

> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
> suddenly and we got out.
>

Well done for avoiding a fraudster.

A 10 second check on the ABN the arsehole quoted should have warned the
others:-

58 007 345 084
Entity Names BLUE STAR VICTORIA PTY LIMITED 07 Nov 2000 (current)
AUSTRALIAN TONER CARTRIDGE CO. PTY. LTD. 01 Jun 2000 07 Nov 2000
AUSTRALIAN TONER CARTRIDGE COMPANY PTY LTD 07 Mar 2000 01 Jun 2000
Trading Name(s) From To
ATC I T SUPPLIES 07 Mar 2000 (current)
ACN 007345084

A search of ASIC found:

Name BLUE STAR VICTORIA PTY LIMITED
ACN
007 345 084
ABN
58 007 345 084
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 13/12/1989
Next Review Date 11/07/2004
Status Deregistered
Date Deregistered &nbsp25/06/2004


And most interestingly, the final docs on file with ASIC
25/03/2004 020233745 2 523 Notification of Final Meeting Convened
By Liquidator
25/03/2004 020233754 5 524B Presentation of Liquidator's (Final)
Account And Statement
29/09/2003 019780135 2 505H Notification of Appointment of
Liquidator By The Members


All of which is mostly cold comfort for those who have been ripped off.
Hopefully the transgression of ASIC's rules might result in a stiffer
sentence than otherwise when he is caught up with.

Some of the details he lifted from the defunct victorian company tend
to suggest that he had some knowledge of it, I suspect that a quick
look into the details of the former members might bear fruit.


Best of luck to those who got ripped off, but it still astounds me that
people will so willingly part with their hard-earned and not do the
most basic checking up on the other party.

Seeing as they claimed to be company and presented a false ABN, I'd be
talking to Fair trading, Asic as well as the police.



Tony Smith

[Ext User(Whatcher?)]

Ebay always HAS been and WILL be a joke!

I know someone who wanted to sell on Ebay so arranged a few friends to get
fake accounts and she held a fake auction and her friends "bought" off her
over 2 weeks and gave glowing reports. She had a high rating and hadn't sold
a thing when she put the real item up for auction.

Ebay's a scammer's dream.


"Untermensch" <save@aussiepartssssssss.com> wrote in message
news:43ddeb3b$0$32670$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Check out this feedback :
>
> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>
> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
> suddenly and we got out.
>
> The guy is a crook supposedly working out of Bundaberg but who knows.
> He has email addresses of itsupplies@aapt.com.au
> alex@sfant-au.org
>
> Another way people became sus. was the varying id's and the second chance
> offers didnt come thru ebay.
> But too late for some who lost upwards of $3000 each for payment of
> Toshiba Qosmio laptops that never got sent.
>
> He advertised as having 9 for sale, we bid up to $1500 for one but got
> outbid by $1300. The winning bidder got nothing for his $2800 and all the
> other bidders got second chance offers in the hope they would jump at
> cheap new laptops.
> He got paid by bank deposit (DOH!!)
> and then left people with no further contact. We spoke to him over the
> phone
> (Qld land line) and he seemed genuine.
>
> A few very pissed off people out there and the cops are gonna be involved.
>
> Did I mention we nearly fell for it but hung off on paying
> immediately......
>
> There are more details, email those on his feedback list for more info so
> maybe word can get out. He apparently is very smooth and convincing.
>
>
>

[Ext User(Nev..)]

Untermensch wrote:
>
> Check out this feedback :
>
> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>
> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
> suddenly and we got out.

Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.

Nev..

[Ext User(Whatcher?)]

"Nev.." <idiot@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:43DE2998.203F6057@mindless.com...
> Untermensch wrote:
>>
>> Check out this feedback :
>>
>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>>
>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>> suddenly and we got out.
>
> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>
> Nev..

Feedback ratings are all bullshit. Read my previous post. Anyone can make a
glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing before on Ebay.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>> Untermensch wrote

>>> Check out this feedback :

>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions

>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>> suddenly and we got out.

>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
>> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.

> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.

No they arent.

> Read my previous post.

Completely useless.

> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing before
> on Ebay.

Wrong, as always.

[Ext User(Whatcher?)]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:447b73FonjfU1@individual.net...
> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>> Untermensch wrote
>
>>>> Check out this feedback :
>
>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>
>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>>> suddenly and we got out.
>
>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
>>> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>
>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.
>
> No they arent.
>
>> Read my previous post.
>
> Completely useless.
>
>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing before
>> on Ebay.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>

Yeah, you can. As explained, I know someone who has. Never sold a thing
before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends together and they all got
multiple fake email addresses, signed on to Ebay and "bought" at the fake
auctions she held. They all put in glowing reports on her from all these
accounts. She had a fabulous seller reputation when she came to sell the
first thing she ever sold on Ebay, as a result.

Easily faked.

[Ext User(Horry)]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:55:52 +1100, Whatcher? wrote:

> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:447b73FonjfU1@individual.net...
>> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>>> Untermensch wrote
>>
>>>>> Check out this feedback :
>>
>>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>>
>>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>>>> suddenly and we got out.
>>
>>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
>>>> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>>
>>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.
>>
>> No they arent.
>>
>>> Read my previous post.
>>
>> Completely useless.
>>
>>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing before
>>> on Ebay.
>>
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>
> Yeah, you can. As explained, I know someone who has. Never sold a thing
> before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends together and they all got
> multiple fake email addresses, signed on to Ebay and "bought" at the fake
> auctions she held. They all put in glowing reports on her from all these
> accounts. She had a fabulous seller reputation when she came to sell the
> first thing she ever sold on Ebay, as a result.
>
> Easily faked.

Hardly "easily". What a ridiculous waste of money and time.

[Ext User(J5)]

"Whatcher?" <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote in message
news:43de7d67$0$1047$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:447b73FonjfU1@individual.net...
>> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>>> Untermensch wrote
>>
>>>>> Check out this feedback :
>>
>>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>>
>>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>>>> suddenly and we got out.
>>
>>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
>>>> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>>
>>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.
>>
>> No they arent.
>>
>>> Read my previous post.
>>
>> Completely useless.
>>
>>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing
>>> before on Ebay.
>>
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>
> Yeah, you can. As explained, I know someone who has. Never sold a thing
> before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends together and they all got
> multiple fake email addresses, signed on to Ebay and "bought" at the fake
> auctions she held. They all put in glowing reports on her from all these
> accounts. She had a fabulous seller reputation when she came to sell the
> first thing she ever sold on Ebay, as a result.
>
> Easily faked.

and easily spotted as a fake

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>>> Untermensch wrote

>>>>> Check out this feedback :

>>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions

>>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>>>> suddenly and we got out.

>>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash
>>>> to ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.

>>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.

>> No they arent.

>>> Read my previous post.

>> Completely useless.

>>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing
>>> before on Ebay.

>> Wrong, as always.

> Yeah, you can.

No you cant.

> As explained, I know someone who has.

No you dont.

> Never sold a thing before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends
> together and they all got multiple fake email addresses, signed on to
> Ebay and "bought" at the fake auctions she held. They all put in glowing
> reports on her from all these accounts. She had a fabulous seller
> reputation when she came to sell the first thing she ever sold on Ebay,
> as a result.

Wrong again. You cant get 'a fabulous seller reputation' that way,
there will only be a tiny handful of references, and over a short time.

You just cant produce the THOUSANDS of successful
transactions over years that those that actually do
have 'a fabulous seller reputation' have that way.

In spades with high value transactions like laptops.

> Easily faked.

Wrong, as always.

[Ext User(Conehead)]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:447b73FonjfU1@individual.net...
> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
> > Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
> >> Untermensch wrote
>
> >>> Check out this feedback :
>
> >>>
http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>
> >>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
> >>> suddenly and we got out.
>
> >> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
> >> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>
> > Feedback ratings are all bullshit.
>
> No they arent.
>
> > Read my previous post.
>
> Completely useless.
>
> > Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing
before
> > on Ebay.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
>
Hey, I paid for an argument. This is just contradiction!

--
Conehead
"Every day I think about dying.
About disease, starvation, violence,
terrorism, war, and the end of the world.
It helps keep my mind off things."
McGough

[Ext User(Tony Smith)]

Conehead wrote:

> >
> >
> Hey, I paid for an argument. This is just contradiction!

No it isn't!



:-)
--



Tony Smith

[Ext User(john doe)]

Conehead wrote:
>>
>>
> Hey, I paid for an argument. This is just contradiction!
>

http://www.sensationbot.com/chat-rodspeed.html

[roma]

I will agree that it is stupid to hand over large money to someone who has low ratings.
And while you can create a wuick rating of 30 or even 40 with friends it will be easilly seen if the rating are handed out over a short time with people of low rating status.
The ratings of 100 and over are usually attained by legitimate people.

Another thing to beware of on ebay is second chance offers. I recieved one from some guy in the UK pretending to be the seller of a $2000 laptop offering it to me for my bid of $1250 as a secondchance offer.
Turned out the guy was a fake wanting to do a Western Union Transfer (NEVER EVER DO THESE) while the original laptop was already sold to the original highest bidder by the original seller.

In general ebay can be fun and cheap but be careful as lots of scammers out there as well.

[Ext User(Whatcher?)]

"Horry" <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1u03uii67130o.1hwlug6b2z33o$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:55:52 +1100, Whatcher? wrote:
>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:447b73FonjfU1@individual.net...
>>> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>>>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>>>> Untermensch wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Check out this feedback :
>>>
>>>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>>>
>>>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>>>>> suddenly and we got out.
>>>
>>>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
>>>>> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>>>
>>>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.
>>>
>>> No they arent.
>>>
>>>> Read my previous post.
>>>
>>> Completely useless.
>>>
>>>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing
>>>> before
>>>> on Ebay.
>>>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, you can. As explained, I know someone who has. Never sold a thing
>> before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends together and they all got
>> multiple fake email addresses, signed on to Ebay and "bought" at the fake
>> auctions she held. They all put in glowing reports on her from all these
>> accounts. She had a fabulous seller reputation when she came to sell the
>> first thing she ever sold on Ebay, as a result.
>>
>> Easily faked.
>
> Hardly "easily". What a ridiculous waste of money and time.
>

Wrong. It IS easy as explained above and it depends on what you get out of
doing it as to whether it is a waste of time.

As Ebay is Scammers' Heaven, I would say there are a LOT of reasons to do it
there.

[Ext User(Whatcher?)]

"J5" <signupbox@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Whatcher?" <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote in message
> news:43de7d67$0$1047$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:447b73FonjfU1@individual.net...
>>> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>>>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>>>> Untermensch wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Check out this feedback :
>>>
>>>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>>>
>>>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>>>>> suddenly and we got out.
>>>
>>>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
>>>>> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>>>
>>>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.
>>>
>>> No they arent.
>>>
>>>> Read my previous post.
>>>
>>> Completely useless.
>>>
>>>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing
>>>> before on Ebay.
>>>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, you can. As explained, I know someone who has. Never sold a thing
>> before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends together and they all got
>> multiple fake email addresses, signed on to Ebay and "bought" at the fake
>> auctions she held. They all put in glowing reports on her from all these
>> accounts. She had a fabulous seller reputation when she came to sell the
>> first thing she ever sold on Ebay, as a result.
>>
>> Easily faked.
>
> and easily spotted as a fake
>

Not at all. However, you feel it is so you go prove it. The sale was done in
the last few months. If you can spot it, I will own up to it. A female did
it.

[Ext User(Whatcher?)]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:447h69Fpot3U1@individual.net...
> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>>>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>>>> Untermensch wrote
>
>>>>>> Check out this feedback :
>
>>>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>
>>>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>>>>> suddenly and we got out.
>
>>>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash
>>>>> to ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>
>>>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.
>
>>> No they arent.
>
>>>> Read my previous post.
>
>>> Completely useless.
>
>>>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing
>>>> before on Ebay.
>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> Yeah, you can.
>
> No you cant.
>
>> As explained, I know someone who has.
>
> No you dont.
>
>> Never sold a thing before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends
>> together and they all got multiple fake email addresses, signed on to
>> Ebay and "bought" at the fake auctions she held. They all put in glowing
>> reports on her from all these accounts. She had a fabulous seller
>> reputation when she came to sell the first thing she ever sold on Ebay,
>> as a result.
>
> Wrong again. You cant get 'a fabulous seller reputation' that way,
> there will only be a tiny handful of references, and over a short time.
>

Wrong as always, Rod. Sure CAN get a good rep that way.

> You just cant produce the THOUSANDS of successful

If the last half a dozen sales are all that has ever been done by you and
ALL give a glowing report, what would YOU see? Everyone ELSE would see "Oh a
new seller that does the right thing" but meantime it is a scam, as always.

> transactions over years that those that actually do
> have 'a fabulous seller reputation' have that way.
>
> In spades with high value transactions like laptops.
>
>> Easily faked.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>

You don't have a clue about Ebay then. Fair enough.

[Ext User(J5)]

"Whatcher?" <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote in message
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>
> "J5" <signupbox@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:43de82a2$0$32668$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>> "Whatcher?" <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote in message
>> news:43de7d67$0$1047$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:447b73FonjfU1@individual.net...
>>>> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>>>>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>>>>> Untermensch wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out this feedback :
>>>>
>>>>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions
>>>>
>>>>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
>>>>>>> suddenly and we got out.
>>>>
>>>>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of cash to
>>>>>> ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback rating.
>>>>
>>>>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> No they arent.
>>>>
>>>>> Read my previous post.
>>>>
>>>> Completely useless.
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing
>>>>> before on Ebay.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, you can. As explained, I know someone who has. Never sold a thing
>>> before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends together and they all got
>>> multiple fake email addresses, signed on to Ebay and "bought" at the
>>> fake auctions she held. They all put in glowing reports on her from all
>>> these accounts. She had a fabulous seller reputation when she came to
>>> sell the first thing she ever sold on Ebay, as a result.
>>>
>>> Easily faked.
>>
>> and easily spotted as a fake
>>
>
> Not at all. However, you feel it is so you go prove it. The sale was done
> in the last few months. If you can spot it, I will own up to it. A female
> did it.
>

Huh you expect me to go and search through all of ebay ???

dickhead

[Ext User(Soapbox)]

Funny, I thought this was a RADIO newsgroup.

Soapbox
Brissy

"Untermensch" <save@aussiepartssssssss.com> wrote in message
news:43ddeb3b$0$32670$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Check out this feedback :
>
>
http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_
auctions
>
> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback appeared
> suddenly and we got out.
>
> The guy is a crook supposedly working out of Bundaberg but who knows.
> He has email addresses of itsupplies@aapt.com.au
> alex@sfant-au.org
>
> Another way people became sus. was the varying id's and the second chance
> offers didnt come thru ebay.
> But too late for some who lost upwards of $3000 each for payment of
Toshiba
> Qosmio laptops that never got sent.
>
> He advertised as having 9 for sale, we bid up to $1500 for one but got
> outbid by $1300. The winning bidder got nothing for his $2800 and all the
> other bidders got second chance offers in the hope they would jump at
cheap
> new laptops.
> He got paid by bank deposit (DOH!!)
> and then left people with no further contact. We spoke to him over the
phone
> (Qld land line) and he seemed genuine.
>
> A few very pissed off people out there and the cops are gonna be involved.
>
> Did I mention we nearly fell for it but hung off on paying
immediately......
>
> There are more details, email those on his feedback list for more info so
> maybe word can get out. He apparently is very smooth and convincing.
>
>
>

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
> Horry <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote
>> Whatcher? wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Whatcher? <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote
>>>>> Nev <idiot@mindless.com> wrote
>>>>>> Untermensch wrote

>>>>>>> Check out this feedback :

>>>>>>> http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=itsupplies_auctions

>>>>>>> We nearly became his next victims but all this neg feedback
>>>>>>> appeared suddenly and we got out.

>>>>>> Hard to have sympathy for people who hand over large sums of
>>>>>> cash to ebay users with newly created accounts and no feedback
>>>>>> rating.

>>>>> Feedback ratings are all bullshit.

>>>> No they arent.

>>>>> Read my previous post.

>>>> Completely useless.

>>>>> Anyone can make a glowing rating in no time and never sold a thing
>>>>> before on Ebay.

>>>> Wrong, as always.

>>> Yeah, you can. As explained, I know someone who has. Never sold a
>>> thing before and wanted to so got a bunch of friends together and
>>> they all got multiple fake email addresses, signed on to Ebay and
>>> "bought" at the fake auctions she held. They all put in glowing
>>> reports on her from all these accounts. She had a fabulous seller
>>> reputation when she came to sell the first thing she ever sold on
>>> Ebay, as a result.

>>> Easily faked.

>> Hardly "easily". What a ridiculous waste of money and time.

> Wrong. It IS easy as explained above

Wrong, as always. Organising 30-40 to do that isnt easy, and
that wouldnt fool anyone with a clue about references anyway.

> and it depends on what you get out of doing it as to whether it is a
> waste of time.

> As Ebay is Scammers' Heaven, I would say there are a LOT of reasons to do
> it there.

More fool you.